Developers posts on forum

TeriyakiTanker: I don't think you can create a system that can't be games at all, you will never stop people from staying just below the cut off, and that is fine as long as it works for the vast majority of players.

TeriyakiTanker: The only thing I think that wouldn't work about this is that I don't think enough people would choose to use the SBMM, no doubt it would make their games seem tougher.  My personal suggestion would be to just not make it optional.  Two groups basically, anyone above some skill level in one and everyone else in the other.  I would actually be interested in testing that out.

TeriyakiTanker: 1.  I have not given you my opinion on SBMM, so don't assume it shows you have an agenda to push.2.  Since you obviously want my opinion I will give it to you.  I do not care if they implement SBMM or keep random.  I have asked a million times for people like you to give examples of games using SBMM so that I could make a more informed opinion, no one has ever done so.3.  You are correct, I am not a statistician, which is why I obviously have not posted or interpreted any stats, but again you show your bias with an inability to be honest about things.4.  If NeatoMans data is wrong, why was it?  How big was his sample and how much bigger would it need to be?  Do you have any data backing up your claim?

DeviouslyCursed:  Someone hasn't thought this through... I guess you answered your own question. To add to what Korvick posted, not only do you get the daily mission points, but for some reason you are ignoring the fact that you should be close to getting the tier 7 by the time you finish the tier 6 points. Each tier 7 is 270 points. If you can't get enough tier 6s and 7s in 3 months, you weren't going to cap those points anyway. Even if it was impossible for newer players to max Battle Pass (it's not, clearly) there would be nothing wrong with that. There is nothing that says every single player should be able to max ever single event. There should be no expectation of that. Though I know it goes against the whole "I'm entitled to everything at all times" attitude a lot of people seem to have nowadays.

DeviouslyCursed:  And those 50/50 matches will still result in a lot of blowout matches, as I've already said, and has been demonstrated by others. I get why players want SBMM, they want more wins without actually having to work to get better. Random MM is the fairest system of them all: You get the wins you earn. If you are not getting enough wins to make you happy, get your butt moving and earn more. Simple. I also get why bad players don't like Random MM: It shows you EXACTLY where you stand in the community, and many of the players don't like looking into the mirror.

TeriyakiTanker: How would optional SBMM work?  Because it doesn't particularly feasible. And why haven't you addressed Neatomans data that shows almost no reduction in blowouts?  Funny how people like you just ignore the facts.  Neatoman has shown, with data, that SBMM would not have an appreciable effect on blowouts and more importantly that blowouts are a result of the single death aspect of the game.  But you aren't going to address the facts are you?

_BobaFett:  Yet it is an essential part of the tank.

_BobaFett: It was such a great resource of premium days, equipment, and occasionally a tank. I miss it a lot.

TeriyakiTanker:
Because you are a troll who ignores answers to your question, I clearly laid out a bunch of reasons that you never responded to.  Your issue is that you are simply a dishonest human being with no interest in a serious conversation.

_BobaFett:  It's not great anymore. Ever since it lost its autoloader it's been in rough shape, and powercreep has taken a toll on it.  The biggest issue with it imo is the shell velocity. 600 m/s is absolutely abysmal for a light tank.

_BobaFett: It's a mediocre tank in my opinion.

_BobaFett:  Reminds me, the lower plate should be a weakspot. It makes no sense that every other tank (except the 279 of course) follows this rule of the lower plate is a weakspot except this one. It's so mind-numbingly stupid. Why couldn't they have given it a normal armor profile.  Ugh.

Draschel: That isn't the important thing you need to know. At those high speeds, what is important is it wants to spot, by je-baiting an entire team to fire at it. That's its principle yollo trollo role.  I don't take tanks personally anymore. I took it personally when they nerfed arty 9.17 years off and since then, I have maybe played 4 arty games. The class is dead, and is regulated to a tool people call for in CW and advances. Or for an incompetent who otherwise can't manage to play anything else, or perhaps a burn victim in the hospital bandaged up with only 1 working free hand. Well, I'm neither of those. Why would I want to play a piece of crap that is going to bottom of the barrel tank any session statistics, when I could play something like STB1 and truly be influential and not rape my stats while doing so. And arty doesn't do its job, at all. What is its job, first of all? As defined by game hints, pointers, prior to game launch? "Defend arty against the light tanks, because they will defend you against the heavy ones"  That was a game pointer, for how many years pre-battle? So, the job is for arty to support your team against heavy tanks? Is that a Bat Chat 55 or 58 job, when it manages to hit Type 5 or Maus for 12 damage? Arty doesn't do what 45% tater tots believe it does. It doesn't remove camping, or neuter heavy tanks. It causes camping, forces heavy tanks and assault TDs into cities or rocks, and ends up firing against whatever targets of opportunity actually lit up, such as forward observer light tanks zipping around or hull down position meds/fast heavies. All the while TD stay hundreds and hundreds of meters back, not getting countered or bombed. Arty doesn't do anywhere near its projected role. That's why WG took down those game pointers. Most are all wrong.  The players that have higher damage and assistance damage in artillery compared to other classes (except maybe TD) are the numerous 43-49% sub par population. That are that way for a reason, because the required skills needed not to be subpar, they fall short in. Interestingly, the inverse is most untrue. The players that do significantly well in damage and assistance damage and W/R with artillery, don't do nearly as well as they would in actual tank classes. And everyone knows this, everyone with a thinking functional mind. Low skill floor, you are shown the ropes once and it is easy. Low skill ceiling, a mere juvenile peaks. Compared to tanks though, like Leopard or Grille 15 or Udes 15? High skill floor, takes hundreds of battles to hone. But high skill ceiling the sky is the limit. You do have an attitude problem, because you are contemptuous. You sneer at people. Why is that, jealousy? Envy? Anger? Don't know, don't care. We don't make the decisions. And WG doesn't listen to any specified lobbying groups. They do what they want, what they think populations/servers want. There are statistics of variance, that we can't really verify as true or false, but what they tell us that they ahve tallied, like the sandbox testing, for example. You have a problem with that, you refute their step by step processing? You take it up with them, not sit on some silly conspiracy theory. I am just describing the history of the class, its rocky down hill road, and where it  continues to go. Skill, is a summation of skills. It is very weirdly worded, in that the plural make up the singular, but it is truly the case.  artillery reduces some of the skills an effective and aware player possess, but does not remove his skill - in entirety. Let us say we have a player who averages 4K damage 4.5 combined in his WZ111 5A or 113 - and the guy is having a particularly bad session, and is only managing 3.5k combined instead due to many reasons, but perhaps focus and artillery and RNG being major ones, to his frustration. Why is this sad face, quitting-for-the-night player, still absurdly raking in 3.5K combined? What bad players don't even do in their tier 10 over 2 games worth? Because of the other fundamentals to fall back on - its just the full potential is being held back, and as a result no 4.5.  It is quite easy arithmetic, really.  WG doesn't use terms like Broken. They won't ever. They acknowledge, and nerf - but they won't use a term like Broken. Do you want me to count the arty nerfs since inception, compared to other classes? Nothing even comes close. But they can nerf artillery another 10 times, over a span of another 5-6 years - and still it won't change its nature.  You aren't a good artillery player, sorry to burst your bubble. You have to leave tier IV for that. And leave SA, as well.1,200 for 6s-  1,500 for 7s-  1,700 for 8s,  1,900 for 9s,  2,300 for 10s are what the 3 mark pros seem to get. Then you are a good artillery player. The thing about being good or not, its not a self endowed thing. People need to say you are good, rather than you obnoxiously thinking you are good. But if you were to take a look at Tedser or Xrays, or whomever does the neat kinky sit in a M53/55 or Conqueror for 3 marks, that is good.        

_BobaFett:  

_BobaFett:  I hit the cupola dead-on in the middle twice and it bounced both times while he was on level ground not moving at all. I fully aimed it and made sure I hit it square in the middle. Each time it cost me 650 chunks out of my HP. I don't know why or how they bounced but I am certain I hit them dead-on in the middle. Sorry, yesterday I was grinding ranked and this particular game frustrated me intensely. 

Draschel:  Yes artillery will have a harder time hitting you. But they don't necessarily have to hit you. But whereas direct fire tanks have an easier time hitting someone moving around quickly due to shell velocity and accuracy, they subject themselves to being spotted for it and received return fire.  Artillery does so with impunity. Good players weather the storm of artillery, because deep down they know it is next to moot. Inconsequential. They hate it, curse it, berate it - but practically deep down, it isn't the problematic issue. It is the emotional whirlwind fury scapegoat. Let me explain. An E25, for example is a keystone threat. High camo, mobility, DPM, pref MM. A E25 will kill you. And it is almost always a threat, unless you are Defender in a city map. Now granted, M44 or old GW panther and/were great SPG people do well in, but still something an average player struggles to maintain even 1K damage in. With the Tiers 1-6 HP rework, Tier 6 tanks are getting 1.5k+ averages easy. An expert, would most rather bank on having to deal with a stun and 400 damage splash track hit from conqueror GC or GWE every 30.5 sec, and estimate that the artillery may occasionally miss widely, as most arty have trouble managing even 45% ratio  --  than have to deal with murderous tanks like Chieftain, 907, T57, 430U that have hit ratios 80%. Especially if there is a significantly threatening pilot in those, who knows what is needed to know. But artillery is frustration. A potato can do it. That is the problem. What is the DPM, alpha of GWE or Conqueror GC, average 300-500? 1k per minute? What is the DPM of tier 9+10 tanks? It is quite clear. Artillery is getting nerfed because of balancing reasons. Meaning it is easy to play, colloquially. Easy to play, means the majority of players, good or bad, will do better in it than something that is hard to play. It is not a very minor local vocal community, that drives nerfs. Server forums are a small population set. But the run surveys in-game, hundreds of thousands probably complete those. And probably many of those express disdain, contempt, anger at artillery. It is the same thing like counter strike. People hate being sniped from 150m away by someone with Scout or AWP. So they regulate these rifles and apply lots of soft penalties. You ahve a very skewed, flawed, most incorrect view of how balancing takes place. It's contemptuous, pompous, biased, and the sign of someone with an attitude problem.  The problems with using tanks like high tier TD, or high bore size tank guns as artillery - still leaves them open to return fire and/or spotting. They can't escape that, unless all you want to do is blindshot and hope that in 720m your shots hit something. That is childish. Tanks and TD also have to fight terrain and bumps. But yes, tank destroyers generally are easier to play than medium tanks. Even hard ones like Grille, all people have to do is turn off ensk and himmelsdorf with prem, and sit in the back and hope your teams scouts are better, and fire all game. Inexperienced players tend to do better in heavy armor tanks and TDs, do their best in SPGs, and their worst in non wheeled light t anks.  If artillery disappeared, just the next day, people would start complaining about tank destroyers. The new complacent and sit as far away from the enemy as possible, in bushes, and shoot all game with less chances of return fire. Trust me.  Because you cannot fix broken, with nerfs. You ahve to make it un broken. And you cannot. How do you not understand these concepts. You can nerf FV4005, but you still haven't taken away its explosive nature, to which it is problematic to begin with. You can nerf EBR75 and 105, but again the broken traits that enrage people, remain. YOU CANNOT FIX BROKEN, by nerfing. Look at VK3601 years ago, when the L58K Konisch was problematic with gold spammers, who paid for such an outrageous boon. That was broke as f---  They didn't enrf VK3601, the platform. They jsut came down hard on the GUN, the BROKEN ELEMENT, and changed Konisch entirely. This is the proper way of doing things. Tackling problematic issues, not the platform hosting the issue. Arty attacks from great distances away, doesn't need to learn armor layout or aim, doesn't need to hit something to do something, is a force multiplier from afar not a embattled warrior, is entirely based on luck with both hit % and DPM.....the thing is just a toxic slot machine. You can't fix this crap with nerfs. THAT IS WHY WG IS RELEASING THIS HE 3.0 WITH NEW ARTY CLASS FEATURES. Like re worked tracer elements, over target marker warnings, Etc. New MECHANICS, to nerf arty. Why is that? Because standard numeric nerfs aren't working. They need class specific mechanics nerfs. How do you not understand this?   

TeriyakiTanker:
There certainly are cheaters in this game, no clue how many but WG doesn’t catch them all.  That doesn’t change the fact that you and the OP are complete trash players.  Invisible tanks shoot you because you simply don’t know how the game works.

DeviouslyCursed: Don't argue statistics with Neato, you will get schooled. So glad someone on this forum uses actual data for the things they say.  +1

Einzelganger7:
Thank you so much!

DeviouslyCursed:  Only a moron would come to this conclusion. Though you are hopefully being sarcastic.

DeviouslyCursed:  Oh look, criticism of the game with nothing but ignorance to back it up. Typical.

DeviouslyCursed: I'm guessing "no."

DeviouslyCursed:  

DeviouslyCursed:  

DeviouslyCursed:  

DeviouslyCursed:  

DeviouslyCursed:  

DeviouslyCursed:  B******, the moment you give all your friends and family great gifts on YOUR birthday, is the moment your entitled a**** can complain.

DeviouslyCursed: Person plays bad, then cries on the forum blaming everything but himself. News at 11!  BoneHitter, you prob should just go hit your bone instead. Hopefully you can be successful at that.

DomoSapien: Sorry for the late reply, folks. I was doing a 4-hour stream with KrzyBoop that just wrapped up.

Login missions have been fixed, if you didn't receive them please try re-logging.

_BobaFett: /rant on There should be NO WAY that I should require premium ammunition to reliably penetrate the WEAKSPOT an Object 268 V4 in a tier ten heavy tank. PERIOD.  Fricking BS armor profile. /rant off

DeviouslyCursed:
If the same teams and same tank line up played against each other multiple times and split their fights 50/50 for wins/losses, there would still be a lot of blow out matches in that mix. Balancing a match to give each side an even chance of victory is not going to significantly reduce the blow outs.

_BobaFett:  The amount of credits is negligible for me. A mere 50-100k will not be missed from me.

_BobaFett: Good to know it wasn't a mistake to sell my already owned Locust off.

Draschel:  But good players know what positions to take, what to abuse. They often race there, very early, unbeknownst to a bad player, unbeknownst to the bad player to what is capable from there. They go there, will to take damage and sacrifice HP, in getting there. Risk and reward, bad players don't understand the concept of reward. That isn't fair, to punish someone for that. Being unfair in a 4 vs 1 isn't the same as being unfair as a back-end force multiplier as an arta, bombing someone. 4vs 1 tanks, you are still in the line of direct fire, and possibly to unsuspecting TD as well that the 1 tank is spotting a whole 4 to shoot at, and can get heaps assistance that way. Arta only need to read their map to see cruising wheeled vehicles that may become a threat, or the very few attempts at blind shots or counter battery.Being easy to play means alot. That is why WG constantly nerfs arta. What is it, a yearly nerfing? That is why Type 5 and OI were nerfed. Maus? 268 V 4  and 430U?  The fact remains, though WG maybe slow at it, they at least try to have a balanced game. At least accordingly with tech tree tanks. Premiums are a different beast, a different story.Arta definitely negates skill. From the user operating it, and typically against users being bombed. Whoever is being bombed. It does not make use of line of sight draw rules, radio strength is near never an issue for them, most have very comfy range and arc, their ammunition by definition is broken both ends of the spectrum.....a bat chat 1958 can miss Type 5  by 3m and deal 250 damage one time, or directly strike it the next and track but deal  absolutely  0. Arta don't need to use armor models or aim, just place your cursor on centered mass and fire. Sit in the back, read your map every 30 seconds to see armored car developments, drink a beer, smoke a cig, play one handed, eat Doritos, have a coffee, and watch ESPN all while doing it.  What you and I may think, well that is what we think. We don't need to force this opinion or that one. It is what it is, but regardless of what -WE- may say, WG is firm in its beliefs. That yes, arta is going no where and they aren't removing it. Fair enough. But that is not stopping them from listening to outrage from servers and responding with due nerfing constantly. How many times can they continue to nerf it? What lies in store for the next set of nerfs? And they will come, let me tell you. People that thought 2016 was the last round of nerfs for arta, and look where we are now. How many more have followed? Let me tell you, more will come too. The class has been, will continue to be, and will be so sludge one day that no one will want to play it.   

Jaguarz:   I have lost family members and it means literally nothing to me for ragers to use the term in their insults, I cannot even fathom how you could be so weak as to give the people using it as a tool to wound you their desired effect. You need to get some perspective and give randoms on the internet the attention they deserve, regardless of words, which is zero or take up gardening or something.

_BobaFett: Please stick to the original article...

_BobaFett: Is WG competent at anything? Why do they seem to screw up almost every date in some way or another?

Jaguarz: He seems nice, did you platoon?

Einzelganger7:
Yeah, I think it might be a small issue so is not that bad. Though talking about that meme, someone already made an illustration with wargaming's logo, I found it while browsing Wot Express (russian profile about leaks and news of the game).

   

Einzelganger7: Even Helloween is aware of the invasion, a week ago they released this.
  ​

_BobaFett: All in due time my padawan, all in due time.

Einzelganger7: The daily log in rewards are not working, many players (including myself) haven't got anything.

_BobaFett: I lol'd.

DomoSapien: Tankers, WoT NA is turning 10!  To celebrate this momentous anniversary, we've got all kinds of good stuff going on this weekend! Discounts on vehicles, both Tech Tree and Premium!Xp bonuses! Daily missions for goodies like premium time, demount kits, large consumables, and a tier 3 premium tank! We have an active Twitch Drops campaign going on our official Twitch (twitch.tv/worldoftanksna), Community Contributor Twitch channels, and a Gleam giveaway all weekend for a prize drawing of 25 Type 59's to be picked on Monday! There is literally too much good stuff going on, so head over to the article on the news portal for more details.

TeriyakiTanker: So did we ever establish if this streamer was the only one kicked or are there others?