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DeviouslyCursed
Administrator?
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08.04.2021 20:11:08
 
Subject: Administrator?
Link on message: #12805483

DeviouslyCursed: Why am I suddenly showing up as an administrator? I mean, hey, I'll take the power if you want to give it to me, but...


churchill50
Why did they "buff" the Tiger's gun?
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08.04.2021 19:23:13
 
Subject: Why did they "buff" the Tiger's gun?
Link on message: #12805459

churchill50: Honestly, I don't get what you're all going on about. No offense. First off, to address some misconceptions. The alpha went up, the reload got worse, but the DPM is the same. The DPM was neither nerfed nor buffed. The reload is still great. It beats all the higher alpha heavies by a wide margin.It either beats or just barely loses (by 0.5 seconds max) all the other heavies with 220/240/250 alpha, which allows it to trade with them. It was never able to trade 3 for 1 with anything but a derp O-Ni. It was only able to trade 2 for 1 with everything else. It's still able to do that. Meanwhile, the 40 extra alpha and improved aim time are both quite nice. The one situation where I've noticed it affecting me is permatracking people. Most tanks with a good repair crew can now avoid being permatracked by a Tiger I. So, to be fair, that has been annoying. I loved the Tiger I before the buffs, and I still love it now. Sure it's slightly different to play, but not substantially so.


_BobaFett
Reinstate Zoe
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08.04.2021 18:42:50
 
Subject: Reinstate Zoe
Link on message: #12805443

View PostCupujoe, on Apr 08 2021 - 16:31, said: While I don't approve of his ingame tactics, what he said here was relevant. Then again many will disregard my comments because I use an alt. 

_BobaFett:  Just felt incredibly ironic coming from him. I agree they were some good points though.


_BobaFett
Lower Plate Critical Hit ?
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08.04.2021 18:12:55
 
Subject: Lower Plate Critical Hit ?
Link on message: #12805430

_BobaFett: I find this predicament to be most common when firing on Russian tanks. It probably has something to do with all the funky angles and spaced armor they're covered in.


_BobaFett
Reinstate Zoe
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08.04.2021 18:09:48
 
Subject: Reinstate Zoe
Link on message: #12805425

View Postlordsheen, on Apr 08 2021 - 15:56, said: Community Contributors should be used for casting tournaments and promoting World of Tanks in general. I believe Zoeballz falls into the category of CCs where they're just playing the game and not actively making an effort to promote new events in WoT. Zoe's last YouTube video related to an event in WoT was 2 months ago, and it was only about saying goodbye to Chuck Norris. Zoe streams on twitch a few times every week, but every time I've visited the stream, all I see is name calling and complaining about other players. When I watch streams, I want to see someone who is happy, having fun, or engaging with their chat. There are many lesser known players who have been creating content everyday for well over a year, and they will probably never have the opportunity to become a CC simply because their presence isn't big enough to get the attention of the WGNA community managers. Two examples are Banzai Duck and cheapbooks.  Anyway, the CC program is a business relationship. It probably made senses to purge some of the CCs.

_BobaFett:  I feel like you are in no position to judge. 


Jaguarz
Reinstate Zoe
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08.04.2021 17:29:19
 
Subject: Reinstate Zoe
Link on message: #12805400

View PostAvalon304, on Apr 08 2021 - 08:16, said:   Only reason hes at the top of mine is because while most other less good CCs may not know the game mechanics fully... they arent actively peddling conspiracy theories and deliberate misinformation like he does. This coupled with the fact that he pads his stats to appear better than he actually is to try and gain more credibility.

Jaguarz:  While I like to think he is playing some kind of persona to play up to his moronic fanbase he absolutely should not be a CC, he had a video up where he spent 15 minutes raging at someone he believed was stream sniping him (no evidence, not even anything really suspicious) and stated  quite openly he was going to get not only Wargaming but also Twitch to ban the person in questions accounts. 

View PostRealBattousai, on Apr 08 2021 - 13:22, said:     2+2=4 is not an opinion, its a fact  

Jaguarz:  Look into the hilarity of "Terryology"........ 

View PostJackO_Lantern, on Apr 08 2021 - 02:36, said: Zoe herself has been berated and disregarded by some CC's because of her stance on artillery, as well as her being a transgendered woman.

Jaguarz:  You have proof of this? Because thats quite a claim and I have serious doubts that even the most toxic morons of the CCs would make any kind of direct attack on another CCs chosen gender in todays cancel culture world, throwing false accusations around however does seem the norm as a way of to strongarm something to the accusers advantage. Dont like what someone is saying? Or even just dont like them? Call them sexist/racist/transphobe..........


_BobaFett
Why did they "buff" the Tiger's gun?
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08.04.2021 16:47:12
 
Subject: Why did they "buff" the Tiger's gun?
Link on message: #12805383

View Posttod914, on Apr 08 2021 - 14:46, said: Was the Tiger (P) "buffed" as well?  Haven't played either in long time.  

_BobaFett:  Nope -- still crap.


_BobaFett
t 95 equipment
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08.04.2021 14:48:11
 
Subject: t 95 equipment
Link on message: #12805337

_BobaFett: Hardening, Turbo, and Rammer.


Draschel
Skill based match making is unlikely to be the best! - Same tier MM is li...
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08.04.2021 10:06:34
 
Subject: Skill based match making is unlikely to be the best! - Same tier MM is li...
Link on message: #12805307

View PostMojo_Riesing, on Apr 07 2021 - 15:47, said:   While i don't doubt there are issues that implementation of +/- 1 Tier MM that would arise, i believe that MOST of the objections you will here will come from the most "skilled" players who KNOW that not being able to just plain old bash non-competitive pixel tanks will adversely impact their STATS.  As the OP points out, there are issues that raise real questions of the validity of how STATS are compiled and used.  You will find that many of the "arguments" against Single or +/- 1 MM come down to "..... and whole lot of other self-serving nonsense.

Draschel:  False. And using your large fancy blue font, won't make it true Circonflexes and Skill4ltu both support +1/-1 MM and the removal of +2/-2. I am sure many other very good public figures, think the same way. Stat padding, means sitting in tiers 1,2,3,4,5 and playing tanks like Panzer IV/V, T67, KV1, or the old S35CA. Or exclusively doing that in the SA serverAnother form would be WR padding, low tier 3-man platoon jumping, in tanks that skew matches. Like Pz B2, Valentine II, T127, Etc.  But the minute these individuals step outside into tiers 7,8,9,X they immediately struggle. This is what stat padding is. You may think, or like to think, that a person who knows positions and how to deploy distance/camo to their advantage, sits at the back near the red - and almost passively tallies damage in something like S1 or Leopard PTA is a farming scumbag - but if this were the case and so simple, why aren't everyone doing it? Why do so many struggle at it? If a good player, in their top tier tanks, are crushing and spanking poor players in their low tier tanks .....it doesn't explain why poorer quality players in their high tier tanks still perform poorly. Or the inverse, good players in their low tier tanks still, guess what, performing admirably and contributing their fare share. You need to think more of what you say, rather than just being callous  


Draschel
Why NA Players Hate WoT
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08.04.2021 09:13:07
 
Subject: Why NA Players Hate WoT
Link on message: #12805297

Draschel: What French autoloader dominates the game? What?I can see Char 4 or Somua being sort of situationally dominant, far from leading the pack though.Bat Chat 25T surely doesn't anymore. Don't even say it  


Draschel
Arta suicides are pathetic, all suicides are.
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08.04.2021 09:05:24
 
Subject: Arta suicides are pathetic, all suicides are.
Link on message: #12805294

Draschel: I am pretty sure that is not the case.Opponents putting an end to your tank, based on the decisions you make, is quite different than you yourself putting an end to your tank because of a quitter's intent. Does driving out in the open, mean you are a quitter? Well, someone could make the stretch and call it that. However, IF NO enemy is there, to end your tank and you continue driving around spotting, exposing a flank, distracting the enemy, running into rear TD or SPG before you die - do I endorse that? Of course not, but it's doing SOMETHING and it is done fairly, the concept isn't driving into a lake or falling off a bridge that accomplishes absolutely nothing.  


Draschel
t 95 equipment
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08.04.2021 08:58:24
 
Subject: t 95 equipment
Link on message: #12805293

Draschel: T95 benefits hugely using rammer. For a variety of reasons. First, being it is very slow. It can only choose one flank, meaning it's window of opportunity is narrow. It needs to fire as fast as possible, to utilize this narrow opportunity as much as possible. It may not get to later onSecond, 750 alpha means alot. A rammer means you deal 750 quicker, reducing the 17 second reload to 15. Rammer helps without an equal, when the rate of fire is lower in comparison  It depends on what kind of setup you want. If you wish for survivability using hardening, considering dropping ventilation for optics so you can provide spotting too.If you wish for powerful offensive presence, and possess bounty equipment, Ventilation  /  rammer  / (Bounty) Rotator or (Bounty) aiming  


TeriyakiTanker
Reinstate Zoe
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08.04.2021 07:38:26
 
Subject: Reinstate Zoe
Link on message: #12805274

TeriyakiTanker: Ok, so basically it doesn't make a lot of sense that they did this to someone because they aren't on board with the arty changes.  Especially considering this CC has almost no followers.  Is it possible they are telling the truth?


TeriyakiTanker
Some players have better RNG than others?
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08.04.2021 05:19:02
 
Subject: Some players have better RNG than others?
Link on message: #12805203

View Postjikannaizo, on Apr 07 2021 - 20:05, said: Hey guys, lately with ranked we did a test with one of our players and his son. He consistently plays between a 2k and 2.4k wn8 and has an average 54% win rate but ranked has just done him dirty. His son however has been getting good matches and consistently ranks up. We have all been playing since the third season started and so far trying to play his roll correctly and doing between 2-3.5k combined almost every match has him on the loosing side every game, not moving up or loosing a chevron. His son however wins almost every game he plays and has had no problem advancing. He is doing almost the exact same damage, they are in the same spots playing the same tanks and yet he has consistently better RNG per teams and he has to take fewer shots fully shrunk down or not. He has played his dads account and was having the same problems after 10 ranked matches. So he tried playing his dads account for 10 more matches on his computer and still had the same problem. They then proceeded to have him play on his dads computer with his account for the same amount and had his normal RNG and luck. Then switched back to his PC for the same results on his account. It is the same every day and his son is now in league while his dad is still in third division. They both play at the same wn8 maybe his son has 100 more wn8 than he does on average but they are the same win rate and playstyle. His son can also go into games, get spotted and no one will even look at him a lot of times like you see many of the EU streamers like Dakki have happen at times. Is there just a target wargaming puts over someone's head that says you will have worse RNG for the foreseeable future. I get a lot of this can be construed as anecdotal or circumstantial at best but it seems to happen more often than others. I was hoping someone or a few of the people on the forums could help. Again I get how this sounds and its not proof of anything, just was hoping for some communication as to what might be happening and if some of you have had similar experiences.

TeriyakiTanker:
What exactly do you want help with?  Do you expect them to have the same RNG?  You obviously aren’t really telling the truth.... like they are getting the same maps.  Come on that doesn’t make any sense.  So since we know they aren’t getting the same maps, how can they be in the same place doing the same thing?


Draschel
Arta suicides are pathetic, all suicides are.
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08.04.2021 04:55:48
 
Subject: Arta suicides are pathetic, all suicides are.
Link on message: #12805186

View Postalexsyl007, on Apr 07 2021 - 14:39, said:   Trust me, it's not 'my' attitude, people complaining about sportsmanship and fairplay and be a good sport, etc etc about a random anonymous internet game always gets me riled up. Think of it like this, WoT is a small player base online game and is a microcosm or spillover of society in general these days. Have you looked around you lately?

Draschel:  You not? They complained of team killing artillery at the start of games, and WG came down hard on it.Play the game fairly. It is not against the rules to drive into the open carelessly and get shot apart to bits by the enemy. You aren't committing suicide, you are being tagged.It is against the rules, to drive into a lake with the sole intention of drowning, and of course drown. That is suicide. Do accidents happen? Sure do, everyday. 15min game, losing 6vs1, the last being an artillery giving up and driving into water or off a bridge, that speaks volumes. Not an accident Before you pass judgement, on people firming over, having some whatever thick skin, just playing the game, and having a ''who cares'' attitude. Before all that - why don't you pass judgement first on the people that don't play the game but are in fact in it, and give up, and say who cares and bi---- slap 14 other team mates with a lack of total respect.   


Draschel
Arta suicides are pathetic, all suicides are.
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08.04.2021 04:35:49
 
Subject: Arta suicides are pathetic, all suicides are.
Link on message: #12805176

View Postgarbage_rigged_MM, on Apr 07 2021 - 12:30, said: I generally suicide when my team is getting slaughtered due to an intentionally rigged loss. Especially when I am bottom tier (90% of the time). Game now is so lop sided with uniscums running cheats and spamming HEAT at top tier. Way I look at it is if warshaming is going to rig game, then I have a choice to suicide, to make a point. Bottom line is game is utter trash. It truly is comical now, which is why I play, for laughs and giggles. As always.....gg MM

Draschel:  Extremely toxic.  It is these people, that are extremely problematic. It is these people, that cause problems. These people, so ignorantly and insanely struggle, and wonder why they struggle so 


Jaguarz
M60 to M60T upgrade possible?
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08.04.2021 03:07:22
 
Subject: M60 to M60T upgrade possible?
Link on message: #12805123

View PostAvalon304, on Apr 07 2021 - 20:33, said:   It did not. The T-62 did. The T-62A (Object 165) was a separate model with the 100mm rifled gun. Only 5 of them were built before the Russians moved on to the regular T-62 (Object 166) with the 115mm smoothbore.   And yes, it would matter in terms of the game, smoothbore guns, especially those of the generation talked about here, had far more penetration and shell velocity than rifled tank guns of the era.

Jaguarz:  It really wouldn't matter in the slightest in terms of the game because the guns on the tanks dont behave as they do in real life either on firing or on hit. Theres almost nothing in this game which corresponds to reality which is completely fine, Im not looking for a simulator but "no smoothbore" reasonings are a fallacy and an anachronism, wargaming dont measure velocities or penetration values, they quite literally make them up according to needs and balance, 99.99% of people who play this game would have no clue if a gun was smoothbore or not or even what the variances would be and why. The days of them measuring tanks to get the armour values correct (which they did do once they started to get popular as within the company there was a very vocal "accuracy group" ) are long gone because theres no appetite for that level of "realism" at the expense of balance and the disaster of a mess which was "historical battles" illustrated it well.


Jaguarz
Reinstate Zoe
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08.04.2021 02:46:10
 
Subject: Reinstate Zoe
Link on message: #12805101

Jaguarz: Popcorn time eh? Most of the "Community Contributors" have no business being so and the CC system is a mess, a whole "affiliation but not really" debacle.


TeriyakiTanker
Reinstate Zoe
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08.04.2021 01:44:23
 
Subject: Reinstate Zoe
Link on message: #12805069

TeriyakiTanker: So what are you on about?


churchill50
Marks of Egg Selunss
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08.04.2021 01:27:05
 
Subject: Marks of Egg Selunss
Link on message: #12805056

churchill50: Two ways. First, a website that tracks their values.This website is the one I've found to be most accurate:https://gunmarks.poliroid.ru/Just make sure to set the server to NA and the language to English. The other way is while you're grinding them. You can get a good idea of what value the mark is at by paying attention to how your battle results affect the mark.Generally, the value needed to keep a mark where it is will go up steadily as you get closer to the 3-mark. So at tier 10 for instance, if you're around 90% and notice a certain amount of combined damage keeps the mark where it was before the battle, the 3-mark value is probably 300-500 damage above that value. Also keep in mind that marks take into account damage + only the higher assist value in each battle. So if you get 1,000 spotting damage and 400 tracking damage, the marks will only take into account the 1,000 spotting damage.


TeriyakiTanker
Plus 1 Minus 1 MM
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07.04.2021 23:34:28
 
Subject: Plus 1 Minus 1 MM
Link on message: #12804986

View PostMojo_Riesing, on Apr 06 2021 - 17:27, said:   Clearly, there are many who do have a problem and would like changes.

TeriyakiTanker:
Clearly, there are many who do not..... neither is a good argument for or against.


_BobaFett
Why are FPS worse in replays? Or is it my computer?
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07.04.2021 22:45:52
 
Subject: Why are FPS worse in replays? Or is it my computer?
Link on message: #12804970

View PostInsanefriend, on Apr 07 2021 - 20:39, said: Odd, the only thing i can think of is some setting on the replay is different then on the game client.

_BobaFett:  I think I determined the issue. I was trying to record some footage with OBS in the background and it was lagging the framerate of WoT. A quick lowering of the common FPS value in OBS fixed the issue.


_BobaFett
Why are FPS worse in replays? Or is it my computer?
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07.04.2021 22:30:26
 
Subject: Why are FPS worse in replays? Or is it my computer?
Link on message: #12804964

_BobaFett: When playing the game, I get about 60 FPS. But when I watch a replay under the same settings, I only get about 20. Is this a me issue? If so, how can I fix it?


Jaguarz
A tier 8 German trainer ..
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07.04.2021 22:19:23
 
Subject: A tier 8 German trainer ..
Link on message: #12804958

Jaguarz: E75 TS is a great tank


_BobaFett
A tier 8 German trainer ..
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07.04.2021 22:14:07
 
Subject: A tier 8 German trainer ..
Link on message: #12804954

_BobaFett: The 75 TS is generally considered a better Löwe. That's what I'd go for.


_BobaFett
M26/M46 turret armor models are wrong.
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07.04.2021 22:01:03
 
Subject: M26/M46 turret armor models are wrong.
Link on message: #12804949

_BobaFett: ¿Bump?


TeriyakiTanker
Night Maps can I get a final Amen!
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07.04.2021 21:21:01
 
Subject: Night Maps can I get a final Amen!
Link on message: #12804929

View PostMrDeadPool2U, on Apr 07 2021 - 11:09, said: Come on WG, you dont even have to create maps. Suns Out, Moons Out.  C-mon!   Enough of the HE shell testing, Lame!!!  Weather!!!  Global Warming! Anything!  Today we are going to figure out how to rebalance HE... c-mon.  I dont care how many days of bad RNG you sentence me with.  I want my pudding!

TeriyakiTanker:
Yeah because what every player needs is limited visibility.... cause the game ain’t hard enough on bad players.


DeviouslyCursed
Paraphrasing WG, "The USSR is the only civilization on Earth"
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07.04.2021 19:57:32
 
Subject: Paraphrasing WG, "The USSR is the only civilization on Earth"
Link on message: #12804858

DeviouslyCursed:   Ok, it takes a special kind of stupid to come to the conclusion in your main title.


Jaguarz
Ranked is an impossible dumpsterfire of pure luck (or unluck)...
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07.04.2021 19:32:45
 
Subject: Ranked is an impossible dumpsterfire of pure luck (or unluck)...
Link on message: #12804837

Jaguarz: Ranked is pure garbage and is annoying as f, I didnt do season 1 and messed up season 2 as didnt understand the nuances of effective chevron farming and best use of doubles so had to get gold league this season for my Concept 1b of which Im comfortably in and wont play another game of ranked because of. You cant just play the game and its absolutely zero fun.


Jaguarz
M60 to M60T upgrade possible?
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07.04.2021 18:25:03
 
Subject: M60 to M60T upgrade possible?
Link on message: #12804787

View PostAvalon304, on Apr 07 2021 - 12:23, said: No the Sabra Mk. II/M60T has a smoothbore gun and composite armor... both are too advanced for WoT.

Jaguarz:  Didnt the 62a also come smoothbore? Fundamentally it wouldnt matter in the slightest, the game engine doesnt twist the shells to simulate rifling or for that matter is far removed from a simulator, that pretext was abandoned years ago.


Jaguarz
Skill based match making is unlikely to be the best! - Same tier MM is li...
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07.04.2021 18:16:53
 
Subject: Skill based match making is unlikely to be the best! - Same tier MM is li...
Link on message: #12804781

Jaguarz: Anyone who thinks a skill based matchmaker is a good idea is moronic and too lazy to think about the noise they are making. I dont mind +/-2, does you good to face much stronger tanks as helps you adapt, assuming you think about what to do.


_BobaFett
Did you know the styles for the Boys stuff are probably universal?
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07.04.2021 17:49:36
 
Subject: Did you know the styles for the Boys stuff are probably universal?
Link on message: #12804761

_BobaFett: Personally, I do not care for it. That doesn't make it a bad show. What might not appeal to me might appeal to others.


_BobaFett
Did you know the styles for the Boys stuff are probably universal?
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07.04.2021 16:56:15
 
Subject: Did you know the styles for the Boys stuff are probably universal?
Link on message: #12804735

View PostProf_Nutbutter, on Apr 07 2021 - 14:50, said: Am I the only person who has no idea what The Boys is? And no I won't look it up.

_BobaFett:  Amazon TV show.


_BobaFett
Pro Tips for Beginners
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07.04.2021 16:39:55
 
Subject: Pro Tips for Beginners
Link on message: #12804720

_BobaFett: Excellent post.


TeriyakiTanker
Best use of Personal Training Manuals?
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07.04.2021 15:40:18
 
Subject: Best use of Personal Training Manuals?
Link on message: #12804691

View PostDarntuff, on Apr 07 2021 - 00:27, said: If they keep the same conversion process - the best use is on Zero Skill perk crew members (not Special Crew Members - just your regular Zero Skill). Zero Skill doesn't count as XP and doesn't count in the conversion process.    So a 5 skill crew (counting the Zero Skill BIA) becomes just a 4 skill crew on conversion. That is provided they keep that the same - and provided the shove it (or some facsimile of it) down our throats sooner than later.

TeriyakiTanker:
WG already noted not counting the zero skill as exp was one of the biggest problems with 2.0, highly likely that will change before they release it.


_BobaFett
Stuck at Updating Vehicles After Clicking on Vehicle in Bond Store
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07.04.2021 14:51:05
 
Subject: Stuck at Updating Vehicles After Clicking on Vehicle in Bond Store
Link on message: #12804675

_BobaFett: Have you tried turning it on and off again?


_BobaFett
Arta suicides are pathetic, all suicides are.
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07.04.2021 14:45:37
 
Subject: Arta suicides are pathetic, all suicides are.
Link on message: #12804674

View Postgarbage_rigged_MM, on Apr 07 2021 - 12:30, said: I generally suicide when my team is getting slaughtered due to an intentionally rigged loss. Especially when I am bottom tier (90% of the time). Game now is so lop sided with uniscums running cheats and spamming HEAT at top tier. Way I look at it is if warshaming is going to rig game, then I have a choice to suicide, to make a point. Bottom line is game is utter trash. It truly is comical now, which is why I play, for laughs and giggles. As always.....gg MM

_BobaFett:  You can get banned for that, you do realize.


_BobaFett
Ranked is an impossible dumpsterfire of pure luck (or unluck)...
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07.04.2021 14:44:50
 
Subject: Ranked is an impossible dumpsterfire of pure luck (or unluck)...
Link on message: #12804673

_BobaFett: You don't play to win, you play for chevrons.


_BobaFett
I call BS on RANDOM
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07.04.2021 14:18:02
 
Subject: I call BS on RANDOM
Link on message: #12804662

_BobaFett: As usual, small sample size is meaningless.


Draschel
Tier 8 Tanks should not see Tier 10 battles
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07.04.2021 10:08:09
 
Subject: Tier 8 Tanks should not see Tier 10 battles
Link on message: #12804630

View Post_PoliticallyIncorrect, on Apr 05 2021 - 20:18, said: I saw a thread written by an obvious forum troll titled "Give us bad players a break", where he complained about tier 8's seeing tier 10's. Although except this time, he was totally right!

I was in a 60TP on Himmelsdorf, and 60-70% of the tanks in the battle were tier 8 tanks. None of their tier 9 or 10 tanks were Capable Heavy's, so guess what I did? No strategy, I just pressed W and proeeced to farm all the weak little tier 8's in front of me for an easy 5K Damage game. They shot me, and tried to survive, some penned, some failed, but it didn't matter. with 2800 HP and a 750 damage gun, i'll glady take a 2-300 damage hit from a weak little tier 8 to chew away half of his health any day. Some of these 8's mind you were blue and Purple players, so these were not bad players I was farming.

But when a tier 10 Tank is pressing W on you, and you are 2 tiers below him, it doesn't matter if you are a Super-unicum 70%er player in an IS3, you just die. There is no chance of you winning the engagement, it's an unfair matchup that just gets you killed, bullied, and farmed. Don't worry Mr Tashunka, I'm defending you here. Tier 8's should not see tier 10's, as even if you are super purple, like the IS3 I farmed, you got a tier 10 monster pressing W on you, it's GG. 

Draschel:  I certainly agree. However not to be as blunt, there are plenty of examples of -2MM  players contributing far beyond expectations. Frequently, in -2MM these good players that play consistently, are often the players that lead their team in the -2 tanks, often doing better than casual players in higher tiers. Because they simply try harder, are quite a level above others, know their map positions, game mechanics, maybe platoon with like-minded people and force-multiply their skill sets, effectively trade HP, know armor models, Etc. An example, an IS3 can still effectively trade HP with something like panzer wagon WZ132-1 Manticore STB1. Etc. Those tier 10 tanks HP are worth far more than IS3, yet the trade is still for 390 both ways. Another example, a T110E3,4,5 and M48 Patton all have really poor side armor and are vulnerable to flanking. A simple tier 8 tank with very high DPM, can certainly make their tank work and punch far above their level, if being a part of a unit and working alongside their team. Tanks like STA1 or Caernarvon AX, which essentially have tier 9 DPM and high relative penetration. Or a tank like Somua, that in a moment of exploitation can easily dump 1,500 damage because of an autoloader. These situations do exist, they are just harder to pull off, fewer in number, and require constant awareness. But it remains my opinion, I fully agree. A Panther 88, AMXCDC, Turtle, T95E2 should not have to deal with tier 10 tanks. Nor should a Panzer IV turm or AC4 have to deal with tier 8 tanks like Defender and 703 II. And likewise continuing down the ladder,  a M5 Stuart having to play against an AT8 or OI. Although, there is the point to make for tier 8.5* vehicles, very dominant in their own tier, that can certainly make a difference in tier 10 battles even. Tanks like Defender, which has armor like IS7 or 260, it can make a difference. 703-II and both ISU152 can change the tide of battle, if they blap higher tiers in an instant for 750+  Both caernarvon have high DPM and solid turrets, which can make them annoying and useful. Object 274A is extremely flexible, like a watered down 140 / 907. Tanks like EBR75, LT432 - highly capable scouts. Progetto and 52 Lis, very capable medium tanks and great platforms. Tank destroyers that excel at the job, like S1, Skorp, SU130PM.In these instances, I am all for tier 8s still playing against 10. But that is the issue, not all tier 8s are cut from the same cloth   


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