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Subject: 10th Anniversary Act V Postponed
Link on message: #18022374
frange, on 13 August 2020 - 05:38 AM, said: No we can see that - obviosly the most important and
prioritized parts such as pushing out new offers on premium
tanks wont be stopped by such minor things as a little civil war -
not even global nuclear holocaust would stop that...
Link on message: #18022374
frange, on 13 August 2020 - 05:38 AM, said: No we can see that - obviosly the most important and
prioritized parts such as pushing out new offers on premium
tanks wont be stopped by such minor things as a little civil war -
not even global nuclear holocaust would stop that...Dwigt: We've seen similar post like yours and I can tell you that premium
shop offers on the portal and an event are not the same.Our devs in
Minsk were preparing the last act of the anniversary for
months and this whole unexpected situation came up! Of course they
would prefer to delay it for a couple of days without risking it
for any technical or whatever reasons. Now regarding the
premium offers, regional offices handle these publications and they
can be pre scheduled. It's not an event that requires development
or a whole team to monitor. For those of you asking us to
communicate more, I can tell you that we were very clear in
both of the announcements and in our replies from the beginning. We
are waiting for the situation to calm down and the best solution
was to postpone the event for a couple of days to ensure a smooth
and uninterrupted launch. Easy for you to say, "you should have a
back up plan", but I don't think no one was prepared for
this. We are all in this together, hoping that it will go
back to normal soon so we can enjoy the last act. Thank you
for those who expressed their support with our colleagues and the
Belorussian people. Take care everyone and enjoy the
game!
Subject: Belarus, we are with you
Link on message: #18022293
Link on message: #18022293
Dwigt: Hello everyone, Thank you all for your support
to our colleagues in Minsk and the people of Bielorussia,
however the rules are clear when it comes to political
discussions on the forums. The thread will be closed and I
would kindly ask you to review our rules. Take care
everyone and we appreciate your support.Cheers
Subject: Akt V 10. jubileuszu przesunięty
Link on message: #18022187
Revanche25, on 13 August 2020 - 11:55 AM, said: edit parim1331 czy przecieki z WoT Expressu o tym by Valiant był prezentem
na dziesięciolecie gry są prawdziwe i czy ma to coś wspólnego z
wypowiedzią jednego z moderatorów z RU/CIS forum o czołgu za
1500 monet jubileuszowych (
) ?
Link on message: #18022187
Revanche25, on 13 August 2020 - 11:55 AM, said: edit parim1331 czy przecieki z WoT Expressu o tym by Valiant był prezentem
na dziesięciolecie gry są prawdziwe i czy ma to coś wspólnego z
wypowiedzią jednego z moderatorów z RU/CIS forum o czołgu za
1500 monet jubileuszowych (
) ?parim1331: Póki co nie mam żadnych informacji, którymi MÓGŁBYM się
podzielić, poczekajta chwilę 
Subject: Akt V 10. jubileuszu przesunięty
Link on message: #18022066
Kozietulski, on 13 August 2020 - 10:52 AM, said:
Nie popadajmy w śmieszność, rozumiem ze forum nie służy do uprawiania polityki. Jednakże fakty są takie, że na Białorusi Łukaszenka odciął internet ze względu na protesty powyborcze
>. Pytanie jak długo to będzie trwać...
Ancybot, on 13 August 2020 - 10:58 AM, said: Akurat jako jedna z najwiekszych firm na swiecie poswieconych grom
i silnie zwiazana z Bialorusia, to wstyd ze zupelnie milczy na
temat tego co sie dzieje. Zwykla firma wydmuszka byle tylko ktos
krzywo nie spojrzal
A na miejscu całe firmy stają w miejscu i ludzie wychodzą na ulice, a tu żadnego stanowiska, tylko "sytuacja na białorusi". Kek, wystarczyło choćby napisać dokładnie z czego ta sytuacja wynika w każdym języku na stronie, nawet bez osądzania
PS. Ciekawe ilu waszych pracowników tam spałowali, nawet za pójście do sklepu i znalezienie się w złym miejscu i czasie, ale przecież to tylko taka "sytuacja"
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Kozietulski, on 13 August 2020 - 10:52 AM, said: Nie popadajmy w śmieszność, rozumiem ze forum nie służy do uprawiania polityki. Jednakże fakty są takie, że na Białorusi Łukaszenka odciął internet ze względu na protesty powyborcze
parim1331:
Ancybot, on 13 August 2020 - 10:58 AM, said: Akurat jako jedna z najwiekszych firm na swiecie poswieconych grom
i silnie zwiazana z Bialorusia, to wstyd ze zupelnie milczy na
temat tego co sie dzieje. Zwykla firma wydmuszka byle tylko ktos
krzywo nie spojrzalA na miejscu całe firmy stają w miejscu i ludzie wychodzą na ulice, a tu żadnego stanowiska, tylko "sytuacja na białorusi". Kek, wystarczyło choćby napisać dokładnie z czego ta sytuacja wynika w każdym języku na stronie, nawet bez osądzania
PS. Ciekawe ilu waszych pracowników tam spałowali, nawet za pójście do sklepu i znalezienie się w złym miejscu i czasie, ale przecież to tylko taka "sytuacja"
parim1331: Tak jak napisałem wyżej, forum czy portal o grze
komputerowej to nie jest miejsce do prowadzenia dyskusji o tematyce
politycznej i tego się trzymajmy.
Subject: Battle Pass Season 3 added to the Supertest.
Link on message: #18022056
baratoz1701, on 12 August 2020 - 01:16 PM, said: internet can't be that bad now then
neutrophil, on 12 August 2020 - 04:02 PM, said: This was a common feedback that it would be better to let players
choose which of the bounty equipment they prefer. We criticize when
WG doesn't listen to feedback, so this time I'll say thanks for
listening to the feedback
_Old_Spice_, on 12 August 2020 - 06:34 PM, said: I will laugh my [edited]out if Token for Bounty will be in improved
BP only))) no 6500 gold - no bounty, no money - no honey(((
and it probably will be like that, complete BP - get standard
equipment, buy BP - bounty))) cuz it says clearly - “Tokens are
different”. I wish I were wrong...
Link on message: #18022056
baratoz1701, on 12 August 2020 - 01:16 PM, said: internet can't be that bad now thenDwigt: You know not everything is done the same day, not all announcements
are the same and we have different teams in different offices
working on different projects.
Act V was postponed to ensure a smooth launch and avoid any issues.
Act V was postponed to ensure a smooth launch and avoid any issues.
neutrophil, on 12 August 2020 - 04:02 PM, said: This was a common feedback that it would be better to let players
choose which of the bounty equipment they prefer. We criticize when
WG doesn't listen to feedback, so this time I'll say thanks for
listening to the feedback Dwigt: Indeed, we're always happy to see that your feedback being taken
into consideration.
_Old_Spice_, on 12 August 2020 - 06:34 PM, said: I will laugh my [edited]out if Token for Bounty will be in improved
BP only))) no 6500 gold - no bounty, no money - no honey(((
and it probably will be like that, complete BP - get standard
equipment, buy BP - bounty))) cuz it says clearly - “Tokens are
different”. I wish I were wrong...Dwigt: We'll have to wait for it to come to the common test server to
be able to try it.
Subject: Supertest - 3 Sezon Przepustki Bitewnej
Link on message: #18022051
SrokaGaming, on 12 August 2020 - 02:14 PM, said: Super! Dosyłacz z przepustki na pewno się przyda.
Arkadyj, on 13 August 2020 - 09:02 AM, said: Fajna sprawa. Każdy wybierze to co dla niego jest najbardziej
przydatne.
Link on message: #18022051
SrokaGaming, on 12 August 2020 - 02:14 PM, said: Super! Dosyłacz z przepustki na pewno się przyda.parim1331:
Arkadyj, on 13 August 2020 - 09:02 AM, said: Fajna sprawa. Każdy wybierze to co dla niego jest najbardziej
przydatne.parim1331: Co ciekawe, zaprezentowane zmiany są bazowane na opiniach
graczy, które zebraliśmy z dotychczasowych sezonów.
Subject: Neues vom Supertest: Die 3. Saison des Battle-Pass
Link on message: #18022037
Commander_Isaak, on 13 August 2020 - 10:13 AM, said: 15k Gold kleine Summe? Gut die das bezahlt haben, sehen das
bestimmt auch so.
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Commander_Isaak, on 13 August 2020 - 10:13 AM, said: 15k Gold kleine Summe? Gut die das bezahlt haben, sehen das
bestimmt auch so.Zapfhan: Der Stil war ab 261 Gold zu haben und hat soweit ich weiß,
waren die Mindestgebote nicht 15K Gold.
Subject: Problem mission for 279
Link on message: #18022009
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Dwigt: Hey Stepas85, Blocking missions are not easy and not that
enjoyable but still, challenging! At least the tank is worth it
Can you share the full replay stats
of the battles if you still have them ofc. Are you sure you're
completing the missions in the eligible tanks? USSR and Chinese
tier 8 to 10 tanks? (Sorry for the low quality
screenshot)

Subject: 10th Anniversary Act V Postponed
Link on message: #18021996
CoreX_CZ, on 13 August 2020 - 05:24 AM, said:
You know, Mr. Publishing Producer, I read your every answer and it's alarming how unprofessional you are at some instances (I don't mean to offend you, but you should really look back and consider your behavior, as you speak for the company and it puts really bad light on it as a whole right now.). I understand WG has corporate politics, tries to save money, etc., but there's a line which should never be crossed and it unfortunately was crossed, since you have no proper backup plan for these situations, and trust me when I say this but every normal global gaming company has some sort of backup plan in case their main dev center is out of commission, their communication is limited in some way, etc. Normally, these backup plans and technologies associated with them are put in place by people who oversee higher management, publishing, development, marketing, etc., basically higher positions, but hey, who knows how it was in your case, maybe company just didn't want to invest in it or never gave blessing for such basic things, would be nice to find out one day. It's understandable covid limits devs since they have to work from home, it's understandable your company is also a victim of political shenanigans, however, what is not understandable is how badly you people handle announcements about how these things affect your company. I have been around your game since 2012, I saw its golden age and its fall from grace (Tons of reasons why, maybe I will tell you one day.), and all communication I had with your company, be it via announcements, support or other channels has been seriously lacking in approach, depth, transparency and straightness. So sorry when I say this but if someone is attacking your company because of current situation, look back and think about how mismanaged your company's communication and treatment was over the years. I am not defending people and their attacks, but I am also not defending your statements, simply because I find them either unprofessional or insufficient in formulation or information. My honest opinion, nothing more.
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CoreX_CZ, on 13 August 2020 - 05:24 AM, said: You know, Mr. Publishing Producer, I read your every answer and it's alarming how unprofessional you are at some instances (I don't mean to offend you, but you should really look back and consider your behavior, as you speak for the company and it puts really bad light on it as a whole right now.). I understand WG has corporate politics, tries to save money, etc., but there's a line which should never be crossed and it unfortunately was crossed, since you have no proper backup plan for these situations, and trust me when I say this but every normal global gaming company has some sort of backup plan in case their main dev center is out of commission, their communication is limited in some way, etc. Normally, these backup plans and technologies associated with them are put in place by people who oversee higher management, publishing, development, marketing, etc., basically higher positions, but hey, who knows how it was in your case, maybe company just didn't want to invest in it or never gave blessing for such basic things, would be nice to find out one day. It's understandable covid limits devs since they have to work from home, it's understandable your company is also a victim of political shenanigans, however, what is not understandable is how badly you people handle announcements about how these things affect your company. I have been around your game since 2012, I saw its golden age and its fall from grace (Tons of reasons why, maybe I will tell you one day.), and all communication I had with your company, be it via announcements, support or other channels has been seriously lacking in approach, depth, transparency and straightness. So sorry when I say this but if someone is attacking your company because of current situation, look back and think about how mismanaged your company's communication and treatment was over the years. I am not defending people and their attacks, but I am also not defending your statements, simply because I find them either unprofessional or insufficient in formulation or information. My honest opinion, nothing more.
Gepard_PH:
"Unprofessional" is an empty word that is thrown at businesses and employees all the time for any bs reasons, and most of them have to do with the customers expecting something and not getting it, whether it makes any sense or not. And then they proceed to call others "unprofessional". Nonsense.
What you are seeing IS the backup plan. Everything that is happening right now was planned weeks ahead in case there would be Internet issues in Minsk. Our teams worked on multiple scenarios, prepared as many things way in advance so that they are ready (like articles, videos), people from offices in different locations where temporary assigned special duties etc. But some stuff simply CAN NOT be prepared in advance, and that's why Act V of the Anniversary is delayed. It has nothing to do with being "unprofessional", it's simply how things work in World of Tanks. Also, may I point out how you complain about company communication lacking "transparency and straightness" just after you called my communication (I think pretty transparent and to the point) "unprofessional"?
"Unprofessional" is an empty word that is thrown at businesses and employees all the time for any bs reasons, and most of them have to do with the customers expecting something and not getting it, whether it makes any sense or not. And then they proceed to call others "unprofessional". Nonsense.
What you are seeing IS the backup plan. Everything that is happening right now was planned weeks ahead in case there would be Internet issues in Minsk. Our teams worked on multiple scenarios, prepared as many things way in advance so that they are ready (like articles, videos), people from offices in different locations where temporary assigned special duties etc. But some stuff simply CAN NOT be prepared in advance, and that's why Act V of the Anniversary is delayed. It has nothing to do with being "unprofessional", it's simply how things work in World of Tanks. Also, may I point out how you complain about company communication lacking "transparency and straightness" just after you called my communication (I think pretty transparent and to the point) "unprofessional"?
Subject: Al Supertest: Cambiamenti alla mappa Confini dell'Impero
Link on message: #18021991
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Sael_: Riprogettazione della mappa, opzione 1 È incentrata sullo
sviluppo continuativo della rielaborazione più riuscita del test
precedente della mappa Confini dell'Impero: L'area in basso a
sinistra della mappa è stata rielaborata. È stato aggiunto un
passaggio alternativo per i carri pesanti (oltre a quello vicino
alla muraglia). Il passaggio per i carri medi è stato
migliorato. Sono stati aggiunti più punti, coperture e posizioni da
cui poter sparare. 



Riprogettazione della mappa, opzione 2 Si
tratta di una rielaborazione quasi totale della mappa. Tutti i
passaggi di gioco principali della mappa sono stati rielaborati.
Gli sviluppatori si sono concentrati principalmente nel creare
passaggi interconnessi e nel predisporre interazioni tra le diverse
tipologie di veicoli. Zona 1: un passaggio rielaborato per i
carri pesanti. Ora è più uniforme, se paragonato alle versioni
precedenti. I veicoli in questa zona sono completamente protetti
dal fuoco delle A-SMV. Questa zona offre un gameplay
vario. Zona 2: un'area che include passaggi per carri
leggeri, medi e pesanti. Questi veicoli possono collaborare per
prendere possesso della parte centrale della mappa e potenzialmente
aggirare i veicoli nemici. Zona 3: un passaggio per i carri
leggeri e medi. I veicoli in questa zona hanno molte possibilità di
manovra. Questa zona fornisce copertura dove i veicoli possono
proteggersi dal fuoco delle A-SMV. Dopo una rielaborazione
completa, questo passaggio adesso offre un gameplay
dinamico. 










Subject: Supertest Haberleri: İmparatorluk Sınırları
Link on message: #18021950
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vuque: Merhaba Komutanlar,
Harita Yeniden Tasarımı 1. Seçenek



Bu, geçen testteki
en başarılı harita olan İmparatorluk Sınırları haritasının devam
eden gelişimine odaklanıyor: Haritanın sol alt kısmı
yenilendi. Duvarın yakınındaki geçitten ayrı olarak ağır tanklar
için alternatif bir geçit eklendi. Orta tanklar için şerit
iyileştirildi. Daha fazla siper, içinden ateş edilebilen korumalar
ve pozisyonlar eklendi. Harita Yeniden Tasarımı 2.
Seçenek











Harita Yeniden Tasarımı 1. Seçenek
Subject: Amnesty for Banned Players
Link on message: #18021903
RegularLogic, on 10 August 2020 - 02:15 PM, said: I was pemanently banned from chat several years ago. My first
ticket to support concerning the issue is - Feb 27, 2015
Erwin_Von_Braun, on 10 August 2020 - 05:06 PM, said: So, the moral of the story here is 'act as you please because even
permanent consequences don't seem to be permanent'
Banned players should stay banned.
Link on message: #18021903
RegularLogic, on 10 August 2020 - 02:15 PM, said: I was pemanently banned from chat several years ago. My first
ticket to support concerning the issue is - Feb 27, 2015Dwigt: Hey man,
I checked your profile with the CS team and apparently in your case, even if chat bans are eligible for this amnesty, yours was not. I said it here and mentioned the NA amnesty article that not all eligible bans will be granted the amnesty and some severe cases will be reviewed manually to decide if they're eligible or not.
I checked your profile with the CS team and apparently in your case, even if chat bans are eligible for this amnesty, yours was not. I said it here and mentioned the NA amnesty article that not all eligible bans will be granted the amnesty and some severe cases will be reviewed manually to decide if they're eligible or not.
Erwin_Von_Braun, on 10 August 2020 - 05:06 PM, said: So, the moral of the story here is 'act as you please because even
permanent consequences don't seem to be permanent' Dwigt: Hello Erwin, That's not the moral of the story. Amnesty is
something that exists in real life so why not in games? We're
not saying that cheating and insulting players is allowed now and
we're bringing back some of your old friends to insult you.In fact
some sever cases will remain banned due to the severe nature of the
violation. Unfortunately, we have one live example here.You're
right, some players decided to ignore the warnings and kept their
toxic behavior. We hope that they will take the bans more seriously
now and learn to enjoy the game and make it more enjoyable to
others cause there won't be any warnings from now.
And we're still actively banning cheaters and illegal mod users.
And we're still actively banning cheaters and illegal mod users.
Subject: Akt V 10. jubileuszu przesunięty
Link on message: #18021900
il__Pistolero, on 11 August 2020 - 04:11 PM, said: Halloween też, nihil novi sub sole
wojtek_pl1, on 11 August 2020 - 04:12 PM, said: Auć. Kto by przypuszczał, że polityka tak namiesza...
Msciboj, on 11 August 2020 - 04:49 PM, said: Te 10 urodziny WG bardzo sie udaly. Pasmo sukcesow.
Link on message: #18021900
il__Pistolero, on 11 August 2020 - 04:11 PM, said: Halloween też, nihil novi sub soleparim1331: W przypadku zeszłorocznego Halloween to przyznaję, wina za
niedopracowanie wydarzenia stała po naszej stronie - czasami tak po
prostu jest, wszyscy jesteśmy ludźmi i popełniamy błędy.
wojtek_pl1, on 11 August 2020 - 04:12 PM, said: Auć. Kto by przypuszczał, że polityka tak namiesza...parim1331:
Msciboj, on 11 August 2020 - 04:49 PM, said: Te 10 urodziny WG bardzo sie udaly. Pasmo sukcesow.parim1331: Nie wchodząc w dyskusje polityczne, bo forum o grze
komputerowej nie jest od tego, chciałbym wspomnieć, że w aktualnie
zaistniałej sytuacji ze względu na brak dostępu do stałego łącza,
nie jesteśmy w 100% wytoczyć kolejnego aktu i na pewno nie
moglibyśmy w pełni wesprzeć go ze strony technicznej, jak można
zrozumieć, jest to sytuacja niezależna od nas w żadnym stopniu. Jak
tylko będziemy mieli więcej informacji na temat aktualnej sytuacji,
od razu się nimi z Wami
podzielimy. Dodatkowo, w ramach
riposty dla tych, którzy zarzucają nam cenzurę chciałbym
przypomnieć, że na naszym forum dedykowanym World of Tanks panuje
zakaz dyskusji o polityce.
Subject: Neues vom Supertest: Die 3. Saison des Battle-Pass
Link on message: #18021886
ojo666, on 13 August 2020 - 09:12 AM, said: Aber nur ein popeliger Skin?..Wo sind die anderen? Will
haben..
Trotzdem: Danke für die Info..muss
gleich mal in der Garage kramen..Da wäre ich ehrlicher Weise NIE
darauf gekommen, das WoT soetwas für ne Arty macht..
Link on message: #18021886
ojo666, on 13 August 2020 - 09:12 AM, said: Aber nur ein popeliger Skin?..Wo sind die anderen? Will
haben..Zapfhan: Den gab es im Schwarzmarkt für kleine Summen zu
bekommen.
Subject: Neues vom Supertest: Die 3. Saison des Battle-Pass
Link on message: #18021769
OuttaNoWhere, on 12 August 2020 - 05:19 PM, said: Gibts irgendwo Infos welche 2 Panzer die Bonuspunkte haben werden?
ojo666, on 13 August 2020 - 06:03 AM, said:
Nix, sieht aber nett aus..
Was die WoT-Welt DRINGEND braucht,
sind 3D-Skins für die Artys!!!!

Link on message: #18021769
OuttaNoWhere, on 12 August 2020 - 05:19 PM, said: Gibts irgendwo Infos welche 2 Panzer die Bonuspunkte haben werden?Zapfhan: Dazu gibt es noch keine Informationen.
ojo666, on 13 August 2020 - 06:03 AM, said: Nix, sieht aber nett aus..
Zapfhan: Das Obj.261 hat ja bereits einen 3D skin 
Subject: Rééquilibrages de Frontière de l'empire
Link on message: #18021765
Link on message: #18021765
Actinid: Refonte de la carte, option 1


Ceci se focalise sur le développement constant
de la refonte la plus concluante du précédent test de la carte
Frontière de l'empire: La partie en bas à gauche de la carte
a été retravaillée. Un passage alternatif pour les chars lourds a
été ajouté (hormis le passage près du mur). La voie pour les
chars moyens a été améliorée. Plus de couvertures, de meurtrières
et de positions ont été ajoutées. Refonte de la carte,
option 2








Il s'agit presque d'un refonte totale de la
carte. Tous les principaux passages de la carte ont été
retravaillés. Les développeurs se sont principalement concentrés
sur la création de voies interconnectées et l'organisation
d'interactions entre les différents types de véhicule.
Zone 1 : une voie retravaillée pour les chars lourds. C'est
désormais plus cohérent par rapport à la version précédente. Les
véhicules dans cette zone sont entièrement protégés des tirs de
canons automoteurs. Cette zone comprend un gameplay varié.
Zone 2 : une région qui inclut des voies pour les chars
lourds, moyens et légers. Ces véhicules peuvent coopérer pour
prendre le centre de la carte et potentiellement contourner les
ennemis. Zone 3 : une voie pour les chars moyens et
légers. Les véhicules dans cette zone ont une large marge de
manœuvre. Cette zone permet d'abriter les véhicules des tirs de
canons automoteurs. Cette voie a désormais un gameplay
dynamique grâce à ces modifications.
Subject: Rediseño de Frontera del Imperio
Link on message: #18021719
Link on message: #18021719
Delhroh: 1.ª opción de rediseño del mapa 



Se centra en el desarrollo continuado de la
modificación más fructífera de la prueba anterior para el mapa
Frontera del Imperio: Se ha modificado la parte inferior
izquierda del mapa. Se ha añadido un pasaje alternativo para carros
pesados (además del pasaje situado cerca de la pared). Se ha
mejorado el carril para carros medios. Se ha añadido más cobertura
y posiciones. 2.ª opción de rediseño del
mapa 










Subject: Supertest: Úprava mapy Hranice říše
Link on message: #18021619
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Sstyx: Velitelé, Přepracování mapy, možnost 1: 



Tato možnost se
soustředí na pokračující vývoj nejúspěšnějšího přepracování mapy
Hranice říše z předchozího testu:Přepracována byla spodní levá
oblast mapy. Byl přidán alternativní průjezd pro těžké tanky (kromě
průjezdu nedaleko zdi ) . Cesta pro střední tanky byla vylepšena.
Byly přidány nové pozice, kryty a místa ke střelbě.
Přepracování mapy, možnost 2: 










Subject: 10 Days With Tanks = 10 Days With Free Premium
Link on message: #18020961
Hammerhead20, on 12 August 2020 - 05:07 PM, said: I don't have to say anything good about the current situation of
this game... And why should I? Commuinty's feedback is
usless... WG don't care... They just want to "see" positive
things... If not, all posts towards negativity are immediately
removed for no reason... Is this how you "listen" to your
Commuinty?
Link on message: #18020961
Hammerhead20, on 12 August 2020 - 05:07 PM, said: I don't have to say anything good about the current situation of
this game... And why should I? Commuinty's feedback is
usless... WG don't care... They just want to "see" positive
things... If not, all posts towards negativity are immediately
removed for no reason... Is this how you "listen" to your
Commuinty? eekeeboo: Listening and acting on are different, and listening doesn't
require me to tolerate overly negative or rude behaviour. You
should remember that I am mostly respectful (we all have bad days)
and I expect it in return.
Subject: Equipment 2.0 Is Here!
Link on message: #18020951
grasho, on 12 August 2020 - 06:36 PM, said: Eek As ever, thanks for taking the time to engage.
I won’t waste time rehashing old arguments where we are not
going to agree but I will cherry pick on very enlightening comment
you made. Negative answers are checked and noted, but for
the most part there's even more checking into that feedback on...
is this player a supporter or someone who is just giving negative
feedback until they get free stuff? etc This actually
explains a lot of the destructive behaviours I have seen from WG on
these forums. I have obviously been put into the “ignore
this dweeb, he is just after free stuff” pigeon hole. My view
will only ever count if I am positive; I will only get a
response to my posts if I agree. If anyone looked at my
account, they would find 240 tanks, 10 unused garage slots, more
premium tanks you can shake a hairy stick at (102), sufficient
credits, a little bit of gold, probably about
ten thousand unused personal reserves / directives
/ customisations / blueprints, more (100%) crews than tanks,
100k free exp and every tank fully equipped (well, until 2 weeks
ago). You will also see I have ground my way to the Chimera,
ground every Tank Rewards, and ground a lot of marathons. I
ground almost every tier X before blueprints made it easy.
I have done everything the hard way. I have even put forward ideas for resolving the contentious issues that fell out of Equip 2.0, taking into account the need to minimise the impact on WG. Does any of this sound like the actions of a freetard or a troll?
BRONSON1972, on 12 August 2020 - 06:43 PM, said: Nope it does not, they should of given players the same
amount of dismount kits as they had tanks currently in the garage
that would of been the fair thing to do, and not implemented so
many radical changes to the game all in one update, free stuff is
no use to me while I am not playing the game I would sooner have
the game as it was previously, I wouldnt be wasting my time here
and would be playing with my clan and enjoying the game.
Link on message: #18020951
grasho, on 12 August 2020 - 06:36 PM, said: Eek As ever, thanks for taking the time to engage.
I won’t waste time rehashing old arguments where we are not
going to agree but I will cherry pick on very enlightening comment
you made. Negative answers are checked and noted, but for
the most part there's even more checking into that feedback on...
is this player a supporter or someone who is just giving negative
feedback until they get free stuff? etc This actually
explains a lot of the destructive behaviours I have seen from WG on
these forums. I have obviously been put into the “ignore
this dweeb, he is just after free stuff” pigeon hole. My view
will only ever count if I am positive; I will only get a
response to my posts if I agree. If anyone looked at my
account, they would find 240 tanks, 10 unused garage slots, more
premium tanks you can shake a hairy stick at (102), sufficient
credits, a little bit of gold, probably about
ten thousand unused personal reserves / directives
/ customisations / blueprints, more (100%) crews than tanks,
100k free exp and every tank fully equipped (well, until 2 weeks
ago). You will also see I have ground my way to the Chimera,
ground every Tank Rewards, and ground a lot of marathons. I
ground almost every tier X before blueprints made it easy.
I have done everything the hard way. I have even put forward ideas for resolving the contentious issues that fell out of Equip 2.0, taking into account the need to minimise the impact on WG. Does any of this sound like the actions of a freetard or a troll?
eekeeboo: No but because I want to know who I'm talking to and to understand
what it is that's being said, but yes data peeps will look into
everything. Like I mentioned you custom your game to encourage F2P
players, but you do not and should not tailor your game/business
economy to them
You are not ignored, but the
feedback say from a person who never spent a penny who says "I hate
you removed free demount" is a little biased and has an agenda to
the player who says the same thing but is a paying customer but
says it on behalf of F2P, or maybe repeating what someone else
said. And then you get the average player who doesn't say a word
because they are happy and don't care to do so. To be
clear I was a free to play player before starting at WG and I did
everything the "harder way" not using consumables, equipment, camo
etc or even special ammo (only normal and HE) until like 22k
battles. So that is not what biases but helps direct the feedback
in a healthy business direction.
BRONSON1972, on 12 August 2020 - 06:43 PM, said: Nope it does not, they should of given players the same
amount of dismount kits as they had tanks currently in the garage
that would of been the fair thing to do, and not implemented so
many radical changes to the game all in one update, free stuff is
no use to me while I am not playing the game I would sooner have
the game as it was previously, I wouldnt be wasting my time here
and would be playing with my clan and enjoying the game.eekeeboo: Not all people have all their tanks equipped and not all tanks need
it (like low tiers) and the tanks that are all equipped not all of
them need changing. So you end up with averages
Subject: 10th Anniversary Act V Postponed
Link on message: #18020940
evilchaosmonkey, on 12 August 2020 - 06:38 PM, said: Dear God. Please re-read the actual question I posed.
At no point did I classify a mistake as a lack of ability to
adapt to change outside of the company control. or just yet
more evidence of WG not listening...... QED
Sesrex, on 12 August 2020 - 06:40 PM, said: Getting back on topic: The "technical issues" were staff
couldn't work from home? Or staff couldn't go to work due to
protests?
Shell2Kill, on 12 August 2020 - 06:42 PM, said: Oh don't get me wrong. I hope that what they said about act
5 is just the tip of the iceberg because after being in the game
for 8 years and hyping up for the big finale for months, what I
read would be a huge let down.
Link on message: #18020940
evilchaosmonkey, on 12 August 2020 - 06:38 PM, said: Dear God. Please re-read the actual question I posed.
At no point did I classify a mistake as a lack of ability to
adapt to change outside of the company control. or just yet
more evidence of WG not listening...... QEDeekeeboo: It doesn't take a year of data collection to know the huge mistakes
you've made and then singularly fail to act on them.Name a major
decision that was corrected in say 3 months? I challenge
you. edit:... that made it on to live.... (because you'll just
name rubicon) In response to: https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/delay-notification/Google
the location, look what's happening. 18:42 Added after 0
minute
Sesrex, on 12 August 2020 - 06:40 PM, said: Getting back on topic: The "technical issues" were staff
couldn't work from home? Or staff couldn't go to work due to
protests?eekeeboo: I cannot and don't want to go into too much details, imagine your
entire internet may or may not work for the next 12 hours, details
can be found on internet issues and other problems right now
18:43 Added after 1 minute
Shell2Kill, on 12 August 2020 - 06:42 PM, said: Oh don't get me wrong. I hope that what they said about act
5 is just the tip of the iceberg because after being in the game
for 8 years and hyping up for the big finale for months, what I
read would be a huge let down.eekeeboo: I mean you don't know anything is there, pretend it doesn't exist,
it's all a lie!
Subject: 10th Anniversary Act V Postponed
Link on message: #18020932
Mr_Missclick, on 12 August 2020 - 05:33 PM, said: I didn't see any positive post saying 'It's a great one! Go for
it' at my lang-version forum. The most positive posts said
'Meh, it doesn't change anything... so I don't care'. Others called
simply a trash thing. If that 'Meh, it doesn't change
anything... so I don't care' is a positive feedback for you, then
it would be clear why you say it's been approved by the community.
And YouTube + FB page was flooded by negative comments too. It's
really hard to convince players that the majority likes it... when
the majority stays obviously silent. You are just going to start
another shitstorm this way. I don't say you didn't received any
positive feedback... I just say there is no positive feedback
visible and you should understand it before you will try to
convince anyone about your point of view. From my
side, the Equipment 2.0 system is not as bad but the conversion and
communication was done miserably. WG claimed that the new system
will simplify things and it will be lots easier to understand.
However, I see questions every single day. The content team had to
release tons of toilet-paper-length articles to explain how it's
going to work.. and still, there remains unclear why some pieces of
equipment cost 200k and some 40k even though tanks are at the same
tier. Nobody knows how exactly the newly added equipment works
(e.g. CVS). You can't even compare its effect directly in the
Equipment UI (and this was pointed out at CT). The update 1.10
definitely needed more time to gather data & feedback and it
especially needed more love from devs. It seems to be developed and
released in a hurry to be honest and it made the game confusing and
less predictable (especially newbies have to be confused) - e.g.
the gun rammer - sometimes +10%, sometimes +11.5%, sometimes +12.5%
and sometimes +13.5%... how the hell are you supposed to predict
the enemy reload?
adameitas, on 12 August 2020 - 05:37 PM, said:
well loose of f4 and f5 is a huge let gown to me. really dont think that many players would want them to be removed.. About trust. Problem isnt fails. Problem is how you react to them. All those times when you are late to publish weekend specials details, o even publishing them after special start.. or like when people for years are saying that mines are not balanced map, or those pure UP tanks that are forgotten for years while you cancel 430u nerfs knowing it is OP, or 279e buff.. and so on.. or big difference in servers like now RU is getting special, EU somehow gets nothing.. As for act5 i can really understand that you have problems and thats is fine but you also should understand why some players are frustrated. You told them to mark this date they waited and now you postponed it while prem shop offers do not stop.. We are customers we pay to you money and now you say sry just wait.. Imagine if i would buy a tank from your shop then some technical issues happen in my bank and you wouldnt get money or payment would be cancelled. What would you do? You probably would ban account until i will pay and you wouldnt care whos fault it is right? All in all like one said just give something to players it arent t their fault too but they pay money to you/ What about some more demount kits for creds?
Fast_And_Curious, on 12 August 2020 - 06:24 PM, said: ok so you postpone events, but at the same time you find the
internet connection to add more discounts/offers on prem tanks?
Shell2Kill, on 12 August 2020 - 06:35 PM, said: For the people that have their hopes extremely high for a very good
tank for act 5. Go to mmowg dot net website and check what they
have. All I'm going to say is uuuh
Link on message: #18020932
Mr_Missclick, on 12 August 2020 - 05:33 PM, said: I didn't see any positive post saying 'It's a great one! Go for
it' at my lang-version forum. The most positive posts said
'Meh, it doesn't change anything... so I don't care'. Others called
simply a trash thing. If that 'Meh, it doesn't change
anything... so I don't care' is a positive feedback for you, then
it would be clear why you say it's been approved by the community.
And YouTube + FB page was flooded by negative comments too. It's
really hard to convince players that the majority likes it... when
the majority stays obviously silent. You are just going to start
another shitstorm this way. I don't say you didn't received any
positive feedback... I just say there is no positive feedback
visible and you should understand it before you will try to
convince anyone about your point of view. From my
side, the Equipment 2.0 system is not as bad but the conversion and
communication was done miserably. WG claimed that the new system
will simplify things and it will be lots easier to understand.
However, I see questions every single day. The content team had to
release tons of toilet-paper-length articles to explain how it's
going to work.. and still, there remains unclear why some pieces of
equipment cost 200k and some 40k even though tanks are at the same
tier. Nobody knows how exactly the newly added equipment works
(e.g. CVS). You can't even compare its effect directly in the
Equipment UI (and this was pointed out at CT). The update 1.10
definitely needed more time to gather data & feedback and it
especially needed more love from devs. It seems to be developed and
released in a hurry to be honest and it made the game confusing and
less predictable (especially newbies have to be confused) - e.g.
the gun rammer - sometimes +10%, sometimes +11.5%, sometimes +12.5%
and sometimes +13.5%... how the hell are you supposed to predict
the enemy reload?eekeeboo: Just above for EQ 2.0
And for positive I say positive
and mean it, not neutral. YouTube I know many of the comments and
you'll also notice a trend with the accounts. There's also Reddit,
Discord and Twitch. FB has more fans and followers and people
commenting who no longer even play the game, as well as competition
trolls who like to type different games for giggles
adameitas, on 12 August 2020 - 05:37 PM, said: well loose of f4 and f5 is a huge let gown to me. really dont think that many players would want them to be removed.. About trust. Problem isnt fails. Problem is how you react to them. All those times when you are late to publish weekend specials details, o even publishing them after special start.. or like when people for years are saying that mines are not balanced map, or those pure UP tanks that are forgotten for years while you cancel 430u nerfs knowing it is OP, or 279e buff.. and so on.. or big difference in servers like now RU is getting special, EU somehow gets nothing.. As for act5 i can really understand that you have problems and thats is fine but you also should understand why some players are frustrated. You told them to mark this date they waited and now you postponed it while prem shop offers do not stop.. We are customers we pay to you money and now you say sry just wait.. Imagine if i would buy a tank from your shop then some technical issues happen in my bank and you wouldnt get money or payment would be cancelled. What would you do? You probably would ban account until i will pay and you wouldnt care whos fault it is right? All in all like one said just give something to players it arent t their fault too but they pay money to you/ What about some more demount kits for creds?
eekeeboo: Yeah I saw that as a common feedback you still get affirmative in
part of response and it's added, I miss f5 for some requests to
attention on maps, but there are ways around it
It's been a long time when there
were publication time issues (before I even started to work for WG)
once schedules were put in place. 430u nerf cancellation was
explained also
279e buff was given a reason. RU
server doesn't have gamescom and act V with its own special is now
delayed. I do understand why some players are
frustrated, but some players I also know are frustrated because
it's easier than trying to understand the other side of things,
only seeing what they want to see and believing what they want to
believe and ignoring everything else. With the reason for the
delay, there was no way to know how each individual instance
happens, no one could have predicted the volatility and what
happened in 2020 so far and how it's affected certain
countries. We give plenty to players, the issue is some
players still keep asking for more no matter what you give. That's
why 10 days of prem account, and you still see the complaint
(If you haven't, check the
article).
Fast_And_Curious, on 12 August 2020 - 06:24 PM, said: ok so you postpone events, but at the same time you find the
internet connection to add more discounts/offers on prem tanks?eekeeboo: Difference between EU publishing and development in certain
countries that don't have this. I live in Prague, working within an
office with stable interent, when I work from home for streams
internet not so stable. There's a difference between hitting
publish on a page you edit on a word document and uploading a
couple of gigs of game files and checking for server problems and
having no staff in an entire country able to support it when that's
the base for development of the feature. 18:40 Added after 0
minute
Shell2Kill, on 12 August 2020 - 06:35 PM, said: For the people that have their hopes extremely high for a very good
tank for act 5. Go to mmowg dot net website and check what they
have. All I'm going to say is uuuheekeeboo: You see nothing!
Subject: 10th Anniversary Act V Postponed
Link on message: #18020908
evilchaosmonkey, on 12 August 2020 - 05:08 PM, said: Nicely tried, but challenge failed due to poor attempt at
spin (take lessons). None of those are mistakes. The
EBR balance is not a great example - when did the EBR's get
introduced? The player base screamed game breaking on
day one. Credit where it's due WG does do some good things
to benefit the wider world. Sadly in my personal opinion outweighed
by everything else - but that''s just my opinion.
Erwin_Von_Braun, on 12 August 2020 - 05:10 PM, said: That's an incredibly long-winded non-answer to a question. I have
been playing this game for some years now & I have never
encountered a situation where the player must pay to facilitate a
change. When the camo system was re-worked, everything was adjusted
to suit - I even got my old camo back for long since sold tanks.
Now, in order to be even vaguely competitive, I must spend
literally millions of credits - how is that in any way fair?
UntouchableRo, on 12 August 2020 - 05:19 PM, said: let's see! 1. Frontline was bugged from the start with an error
counting down the progress + cap possitions where people couldn't
be shoot and they could hold the base + tanks going under the map
beeing useless! 2. Races last year with the nasty bug if you died
you had to restart [even if it was so much tested, NOT]! 3. 6
nations when the database had issues counting the points! 4. That
invisible tanks in Road to Berlin? [or the bots that just stayed
AFK]! shall i add the chat issues? the cancell of last Halloween?
Unable to add tank when joining stronghold battles? Postpone
january campaign and it was announced 1 day before? Interface
issues after 1.1/ almost after each majore update there is an patch
a few days after solving one or the other! Thanks for adding copy
paste tanks [Primo victoria-Strv81 or heavy tank nr 6/Tiger 121 and
i got a lot more going on].... Remember the update 1.9 that took
hours more as beeing expected for the servers to start! More and
more, just did not write down at that moment! But i can't remember
one in the past year without issues/bugs! BTW there are still sites
that sell illegal mods, and it seems they work like a charm, some
say with the payed mods WG doesn't ban and some even assume the
developers get some extra money selling them aside [it's just
speculation]!
Sesrex, on 12 August 2020 - 05:23 PM, said: Isn't it a little amateurish to try and single out users who
are dissatisfied and paint the picture that they are only two?
Because lets be honest, the overall picture is that
Wargaming EU staff are not taking players' feedback on board, and
as I had predicted over a week ago, the complaints that quite a
number of players had made were completely ignored by WG EU. And
despite your best efforts you are actually only reinforcing the
opinion of forum users that Wargaming are completely disconnected
from the opinions and considerations of players. Trying to
single out forum users, confrontational and demeaning posts etc.
also doesn't paint you in the best light does it? Of
course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but don't expect
players to tow the party line just because you have to. Over
300 pages of complaints on the russian forums are testament enough
to the dissatisfaction of players with patch 1.10. Let's not
consider complaints on the EU forum.
Link on message: #18020908
evilchaosmonkey, on 12 August 2020 - 05:08 PM, said: Nicely tried, but challenge failed due to poor attempt at
spin (take lessons). None of those are mistakes. The
EBR balance is not a great example - when did the EBR's get
introduced? The player base screamed game breaking on
day one. Credit where it's due WG does do some good things
to benefit the wider world. Sadly in my personal opinion outweighed
by everything else - but that''s just my opinion. eekeeboo: They are mistakes by your category of what you classified as
mistakes above, you classified a mistake as a lack of ability to
adapt to change outside of the company control. 18:26 Added
after 0 minute
Erwin_Von_Braun, on 12 August 2020 - 05:10 PM, said: That's an incredibly long-winded non-answer to a question. I have
been playing this game for some years now & I have never
encountered a situation where the player must pay to facilitate a
change. When the camo system was re-worked, everything was adjusted
to suit - I even got my old camo back for long since sold tanks.
Now, in order to be even vaguely competitive, I must spend
literally millions of credits - how is that in any way fair? eekeeboo: Answered in the other thread too, because I didn't have the context
to your original question. 18:32 Added after 7
minute
UntouchableRo, on 12 August 2020 - 05:19 PM, said: let's see! 1. Frontline was bugged from the start with an error
counting down the progress + cap possitions where people couldn't
be shoot and they could hold the base + tanks going under the map
beeing useless! 2. Races last year with the nasty bug if you died
you had to restart [even if it was so much tested, NOT]! 3. 6
nations when the database had issues counting the points! 4. That
invisible tanks in Road to Berlin? [or the bots that just stayed
AFK]! shall i add the chat issues? the cancell of last Halloween?
Unable to add tank when joining stronghold battles? Postpone
january campaign and it was announced 1 day before? Interface
issues after 1.1/ almost after each majore update there is an patch
a few days after solving one or the other! Thanks for adding copy
paste tanks [Primo victoria-Strv81 or heavy tank nr 6/Tiger 121 and
i got a lot more going on].... Remember the update 1.9 that took
hours more as beeing expected for the servers to start! More and
more, just did not write down at that moment! But i can't remember
one in the past year without issues/bugs! BTW there are still sites
that sell illegal mods, and it seems they work like a charm, some
say with the payed mods WG doesn't ban and some even assume the
developers get some extra money selling them aside [it's just
speculation]! eekeeboo: And Frontline worked and was fixed the day after. Race event
that was again micro patched the day after. 6 nations was
webpage based not deveopment. Invisible tanks I didn't see but
you will remember the additional server due to the influx of
players experiencing lag (not invisible tanks). Cancel of
Halloween to stop people playing an unstable mode that wasn't
ready? January campaign added before (please actually read not
just complain). Copy and paste tanks as you put it are related
to your list how? Do you know how server updates work and that
no patch is guaranteed to work and you'll remember compensated
premium time? illegal mods will always be around, removing all
mods isn't the answer, fair play bans always in
place. Again you want to look for an argument and
failiure you'll find it no matter what, because you just sit there
waiting and counting them. And yet, none of them were PR
game ending disasters you claim.
Sesrex, on 12 August 2020 - 05:23 PM, said: Isn't it a little amateurish to try and single out users who
are dissatisfied and paint the picture that they are only two?
Because lets be honest, the overall picture is that
Wargaming EU staff are not taking players' feedback on board, and
as I had predicted over a week ago, the complaints that quite a
number of players had made were completely ignored by WG EU. And
despite your best efforts you are actually only reinforcing the
opinion of forum users that Wargaming are completely disconnected
from the opinions and considerations of players. Trying to
single out forum users, confrontational and demeaning posts etc.
also doesn't paint you in the best light does it? Of
course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but don't expect
players to tow the party line just because you have to. Over
300 pages of complaints on the russian forums are testament enough
to the dissatisfaction of players with patch 1.10. Let's not
consider complaints on the EU forum. eekeeboo: This overall picture is from who and where? I know feedback is
being passed on, but listening to feedabck and acting on it are
different things. I highlighted before the danger of falling into
the misconception. And I don't single out forum users, it's me
answering to every forum user I can who have a point, question or
want an answer. I know this seems odd, but this is how I've always
done engagement and you can check back when I was still a community
manager and eek walls of text were common. 300 pages and how many
are individual players?
Subject: Equipment 2.0 Is Here!
Link on message: #18020897
The_Boot, on 12 August 2020 - 12:30 AM, said: turns out the equipment you have mounted can be swapped to any box,
you dont have to dismount to move 
grasho, on 12 August 2020 - 06:31 AM, said:
I will highlight this quote made by Dwigt (an official WG representative) in the “We slashed the price of premium vehicles” topic: “These decisions are made way in advance and planned for the 10 years anniversary celebration not in a week.” If this is true, then someone senior in WG must have made the decision to reduce the future performance of Battlepass equipment (so it gave a smaller performance bonus than Bounty Equipment) whilst WG was advertising that Battlepass equipment would give a bonus equal to Bounty Equipment. WG have been fraudulent. It might not have been intentional (the different teams may not have coordinated) but the end effect is still fraud.
grasho, on 12 August 2020 - 09:08 AM, said: I just found this in another forum when Sael was challenged about
WG not listening: @Sael That is a pretty
good rewriting of history and misrepresents the facts. We are
not complaining about Equip 2.0. We are complaining about the
losses and broken promises. And you are not listening.
You are trying to ignore us whilst sharing the lie that we
are negative about the equipment and, therefore, can be ignored.
So I again ask you to publish the survey / feedback where
players asked for WG: to force players to decrease the
value of demounted equipment by 40%. to reduce the effectiveness of
Battlepass Equipment. to charge gold to demount nets and binocs. to
limit demount kits so the lack of demount kits prevents players
from benefitting from the new equipment. You can easily shut
us up: provide the evidence that the majority of players asked for
the above. Or will you do your usual? Ignore us,
misrepresent us, hide, lie to us, then tell us you are listening?
BRONSON1972, on 12 August 2020 - 03:21 PM, said: Take a look at the majority of posts on this topic, most are
complaining about this update, hardly anyone wanted it or likes it
in the playing community, so they didnt listen to the majority of
players.
Smegger213, on 12 August 2020 - 03:38 PM, said:
Exactly this. NOBODY ASKED FOR THE EQUIPMENT CHANGES. NOBODY ASKED FOR REMOVAL OF MOVING BINOS ETC FOR FREE. NOBODY ASKED FOR REMOVAL OF SLOTS FOR LOW TIERS. #WalletClosed #GameStaysUninstalled
grasho, on 12 August 2020 - 03:43 PM, said:
Oh, you’re right about timetables and content. However, as an ex-developer, ex-PRINCE2 project manager and as an ex-ITIL Release manager, I would suggest that Industry Best Practice is to know the content and resources available before you agree a timetable. If your project plan allows you to suddenly, a few weeks before a major release, change the solution, then it suggests that the planning has gone awry and that you had waste (and therefore unnecessary cost) in the project. I don’t think any Project Manager would want to admit that. Now, “rapid‘ and ”agile” application development methods can give you more flexibility, but Dwigt’s response (things being decided months ago) suggests a company with a more conventional control culture. However, I could be wrong, in which case there was plenty of time (6 weeks or so) to identify the contentious areas and mitigate them, either through changes to the solution or by engaging with the customer to explain why the upside of the changes are greater than the downsides (this is my ICT Customer Relationship experience coming through). This did not happen. You are right that they didn’t listen to me. They also didn’t listen to (or engage with) anyone else who expressed concerns about the Equip 2.0 conversion process or the Improved Equipment situation.
Instead, they let it fester and fuelled the resulting backlash. Sael, Dwigt et al failed to manage customers, failed to engage, failed to explain and, ultimately, failed their employer by not handling a difficult situation. I might not agree with what Eekeeboo posted, but at least he tried.
Erwin_Von_Braun, on 12 August 2020 - 04:42 PM, said: Have you tried WarThunder yet? It's a different animal for sure but
still very entertaining. 16:44 Added after 2 minute
Unfortunately, this is classic WG - disengaging from their paying
customers when times are tough is a pretty poor attitude and I
think it highlights the level of contempt they have for us.
Speaking of which, they seem to have disappeared AGAIN
grasho, on 12 August 2020 - 04:57 PM, said:
I spent ten years on the customer service front line, facing up to customers and suppliers as needed. My customers were used to never being challenged, were trained to kill, and had access to high-tech weaponry
. My job was to engage with them when
they were very upset and angry, and to defuse the situation by
either telling them how they were wrong or by telling even scarier
people on the supplier side that they were wrong. So I have
quite a bit of experience in this area. I am not intending to
be nasty to the WG team with my views; I’m highlighting poor
behaviours that need to be addressed if they are to provide a
benefit to their employer and gain the respect of their customers.
I want the forum team to excel.
BRONSON1972, on 12 August 2020 - 05:56 PM, said: I haven't spoken to a member of my clan yet who likes any of
the changes, there is a small % who have not been on the game for a
while, and others I have not had chance to talk to yet, but I have
spoken to most of them. Hardly any of them are playing it now, and
those that do are not staying on long any how as there is no one
for them to team with, none of the members I spoke to said they
were going to spend money on the game anymore. No not you in
particular all staff, if you predicted the backlash from this
update why did you not warn them against it ? I want nothing
more than to play this game again but the changes are too many, too
soon and none are good in my opinion, if they implemented them over
a period of time and compensated those of us who had been playing
longest, also too much change all at once is a lot to have to learn
for a lot of my clan, most of my clan are aged 55 - 70+ , its more
of a retirement clan, we don't like change especially when its not
nice and all at once.
Link on message: #18020897
The_Boot, on 12 August 2020 - 12:30 AM, said: turns out the equipment you have mounted can be swapped to any box,
you dont have to dismount to move eekeeboo: I said this twice already
grasho, on 12 August 2020 - 06:31 AM, said: I will highlight this quote made by Dwigt (an official WG representative) in the “We slashed the price of premium vehicles” topic: “These decisions are made way in advance and planned for the 10 years anniversary celebration not in a week.” If this is true, then someone senior in WG must have made the decision to reduce the future performance of Battlepass equipment (so it gave a smaller performance bonus than Bounty Equipment) whilst WG was advertising that Battlepass equipment would give a bonus equal to Bounty Equipment. WG have been fraudulent. It might not have been intentional (the different teams may not have coordinated) but the end effect is still fraud.
eekeeboo: The improved equipment we answered recently that it's being looked
into how this can be used in the future without being too strong
and that some equipment is already stronger than basic or on the
same level of slot bonus.
grasho, on 12 August 2020 - 09:08 AM, said: I just found this in another forum when Sael was challenged about
WG not listening: @Sael That is a pretty
good rewriting of history and misrepresents the facts. We are
not complaining about Equip 2.0. We are complaining about the
losses and broken promises. And you are not listening.
You are trying to ignore us whilst sharing the lie that we
are negative about the equipment and, therefore, can be ignored.
So I again ask you to publish the survey / feedback where
players asked for WG: to force players to decrease the
value of demounted equipment by 40%. to reduce the effectiveness of
Battlepass Equipment. to charge gold to demount nets and binocs. to
limit demount kits so the lack of demount kits prevents players
from benefitting from the new equipment. You can easily shut
us up: provide the evidence that the majority of players asked for
the above. Or will you do your usual? Ignore us,
misrepresent us, hide, lie to us, then tell us you are listening?
eekeeboo: I'm sure you know from your professional experience you don't give
your sensitive data out publicly, in no uncertain terms. You assume
the worst but don't believe that the fact people spend their free
time to talk to you should represent that they're trying to help
where possible and no one is in fact out to get your, or your
chocolate.
BRONSON1972, on 12 August 2020 - 03:21 PM, said: Take a look at the majority of posts on this topic, most are
complaining about this update, hardly anyone wanted it or likes it
in the playing community, so they didnt listen to the majority of
players.eekeeboo: "Majority" this is going to be a chore, I know, but I have to ask
for your own sake of understanding, please go through the whole
thread, count the number of different respondants, then divide into
positive and negative. Then you get each category and put them into
the sections for each positive and negative, how many align on each
negative and then you have the representative. Then once you do all
that, compare to the entire playerbase, and also look at other
platforms like Discord where the feedback is different. Then the
next part is something you can't do and you look into the player
type and how much they invest into the game, are they f2p are the
relaxed/casual and so on and so forth.
Smegger213, on 12 August 2020 - 03:38 PM, said: Exactly this. NOBODY ASKED FOR THE EQUIPMENT CHANGES. NOBODY ASKED FOR REMOVAL OF MOVING BINOS ETC FOR FREE. NOBODY ASKED FOR REMOVAL OF SLOTS FOR LOW TIERS. #WalletClosed #GameStaysUninstalled
eekeeboo: That you know of. Please don't spam the same message, it's against
the forum rules
grasho, on 12 August 2020 - 03:43 PM, said: Oh, you’re right about timetables and content. However, as an ex-developer, ex-PRINCE2 project manager and as an ex-ITIL Release manager, I would suggest that Industry Best Practice is to know the content and resources available before you agree a timetable. If your project plan allows you to suddenly, a few weeks before a major release, change the solution, then it suggests that the planning has gone awry and that you had waste (and therefore unnecessary cost) in the project. I don’t think any Project Manager would want to admit that. Now, “rapid‘ and ”agile” application development methods can give you more flexibility, but Dwigt’s response (things being decided months ago) suggests a company with a more conventional control culture. However, I could be wrong, in which case there was plenty of time (6 weeks or so) to identify the contentious areas and mitigate them, either through changes to the solution or by engaging with the customer to explain why the upside of the changes are greater than the downsides (this is my ICT Customer Relationship experience coming through). This did not happen. You are right that they didn’t listen to me. They also didn’t listen to (or engage with) anyone else who expressed concerns about the Equip 2.0 conversion process or the Improved Equipment situation.
Instead, they let it fester and fuelled the resulting backlash. Sael, Dwigt et al failed to manage customers, failed to engage, failed to explain and, ultimately, failed their employer by not handling a difficult situation. I might not agree with what Eekeeboo posted, but at least he tried.
eekeeboo: I always try and I can't say for the forums in terms of engagement,
but I know I specifically did with a Q&A with the head of game
design on equipment 2.0 stream
There's only so much I can do
though. I'm sure other WG staff give the feedback they can in the
manner they can, I'm just a giant nerd who never stops
reading!
Erwin_Von_Braun, on 12 August 2020 - 04:42 PM, said: Have you tried WarThunder yet? It's a different animal for sure but
still very entertaining. 16:44 Added after 2 minute
Unfortunately, this is classic WG - disengaging from their paying
customers when times are tough is a pretty poor attitude and I
think it highlights the level of contempt they have for us.
Speaking of which, they seem to have disappeared AGAINeekeeboo: Unfortunately, this is classic WG - disengaging from their paying
customers when times are tough is a pretty poor attitude and I
think it highlights the level of contempt they have for us.
Speaking of which, they seem to have disappeared AGAIN
Sorry for my absence, I'm sure you
remember my active days, I have a new responsibility at the moment
and moving countries absorbs what little free time I have left,
please note you're not abandoned though. 18:23 Added
after 2 minute
grasho, on 12 August 2020 - 04:57 PM, said: I spent ten years on the customer service front line, facing up to customers and suppliers as needed. My customers were used to never being challenged, were trained to kill, and had access to high-tech weaponry
eekeeboo: In all this experience, how much chocolate did you develop and
amass (You started this chocolate!)
BRONSON1972, on 12 August 2020 - 05:56 PM, said: I haven't spoken to a member of my clan yet who likes any of
the changes, there is a small % who have not been on the game for a
while, and others I have not had chance to talk to yet, but I have
spoken to most of them. Hardly any of them are playing it now, and
those that do are not staying on long any how as there is no one
for them to team with, none of the members I spoke to said they
were going to spend money on the game anymore. No not you in
particular all staff, if you predicted the backlash from this
update why did you not warn them against it ? I want nothing
more than to play this game again but the changes are too many, too
soon and none are good in my opinion, if they implemented them over
a period of time and compensated those of us who had been playing
longest, also too much change all at once is a lot to have to learn
for a lot of my clan, most of my clan are aged 55 - 70+ , its more
of a retirement clan, we don't like change especially when its not
nice and all at once.eekeeboo: Because as I mentioned with feedback I can give what I see and
hear, and then you allow the decision to go forward with people who
have access to all information and data and feedback. My job is to
understand (which I do) the reason for change and I still believe
it's a positive one. The feedback also showed a lot of people do
like the change, and while a lot of people didn't like only 30
demount kits, they liked the rest for the most part. And this comes
down to... OK give 40 demount kits will it help? no. Give 100, will
it help? no, 200, will it help? no. And so you get to the point
where.... you draw the line
18:24 Added after
3 minuteOK Wall of eek text done (OLD TIMES!) and I believe Erwin I
answere you question, and I think I answered most peoples points. I
wish you luck and I can't promise I'll be back for a while.
Subject: Equipment 2.0 Is Here!
Link on message: #18020874
ErCarogna, on 10 August 2020 - 02:41 PM, said: Dear Eekeeboo.
Thanks for answering me.
I didn't quite understand your answer, but I'll try to use your metaphor.
You see the spoon, but not the moon of my speech.
As I said the problem is not free or paid things.
The problem is the number one rule of games, whether they are free or paid.
Don't touch the progress of the players.
Every time I sit at the table of WG Restaurant, I don't know what I find to eat, I don't know how to eat it because you give me a fork (I want to broaden your metaphor ... sorry) to eat the broth. I pay at the beginning of the meal, and in the end I didn't eat what I ordered.
All this bring in new hungry customers?
And will you be able to enlarge your restaurant?
I don't believe.
I want to tell you something ... as you know I'm an old man and old people always have something to say.
When people start playing a video game, Game developers, UI and UX designers have to facilitate something called, "emotional peak", which happens in the very first moments of the game ... it's like when you fall in love.
Do you really believe that tiers 1/2/3 with the new system ... will fall in love with this game ?? having less equipment and fewer credits? with an MM that will punish them compared to higher tiers who have more and better equipment?
WG you don't have to force me to spend the money, you have to make me fall in love with your kitchen and your recipes, clear and at the right price. Thanks again for your time.
HansiVonHinten, on 10 August 2020 - 02:54 PM, said: You could also say: Wargaming/I don't give a flying F... about
veteran players.
Is it because the hundreds of euroes ain't enough or do you think we are milked dry?
And your response regarding camo/bino/tools are not free to demount, well I have no words. You actually want to force players to use specific equipment or what? But keep digging Wargamings grave:
grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 03:14 PM, said: Just think how much hassle, forum hijacking, bad feeling, poor PR,
firefightIng, wallet closing etc. that WG could have avoided
if they had just demounted and refunded equipment right from the
start. Just like we suggested the moment they announced the
Equip 2.0 sandbox... What is the number one discussion in
August? The tenth anniversary of a great game? Or the
greedy milking, tone-deaf, stubborn, idiotic money grasping company
with a dying game. How come WG’s PR department never saw
this coming?
geekuma, on 10 August 2020 - 04:13 PM, said: I think they didn't have much of a word in this. Or they
have been hypnotized by spinning Excel sheets and well-animated
PowerPoint presentations to believe that this change was something
players actually wanted. Thinking about my own past
experience with unpopular software updates, I would put my money on
someone with an ugly tie and high level PowerPoint sorcery skills
who made the decision without and refused to listen to the WG
foot soldiers (devs, coders, testers, designers, community members,
etc.). And to show solidarity towards the company (not to get
fired) these people have to also defend the views of this tie
wearing marketing creature (I try to be funny here), despite their
own personal or professional opinion on the matter.
It's a horrible feeling when you have to defend your manager's
questionable decisions, trying to make them sound nice. I've been
there, too. Just have to bite my tongue and save my comments for
the next internal discussion round. And if we players can give them
some well reasoned opinions, we will make their job so much easier.
I wish some of the fellow commanders in this forum would be a bit
more respectful with their feedback (even when I can fully
understand their frustration). WG people reading these forums are
not the ones who make the big business decisions. It's
a good question, that who did that business decision. And would
that person/those persons be able to re-evaluate this whole
patch idea based on players' feedback, and maybe even come up
with a more player-friendly and less sucking-players-wallet-empty
approach. gl&hf, geekuma
Erwin_Von_Braun, on 10 August 2020 - 04:54 PM, said: Ok, here's the thing - this^ right here is the thing that I, and a
good many others have a problem with. Why should I spend MY
resources to facilitate a change that YOU are making? For
the record, I'm generally in agreement with the majority of
Equipment 2.0 - but the implementation was a farce.
I've had WoT as a permanent fixture of my SSD since I started
playing - no more - I will not participate in a game run by people
that treat their paying customers with such contempt.
yodelihiti, on 10 August 2020 - 06:17 PM, said: To the walls of text from Eekeboo: Accept you are wrong.
1/3rd of your players ran away and thus their income.
Smegger213, on 10 August 2020 - 10:12 PM, said: Well Eekaboo, you have the cheek to tell me to change my tone.
Why don't you analyse why I have the tone that I have?
I have played this game avidly since August 2012. That's 8
years of hard toil. I have gone through thick and thin with
Wargaming over the years. I have spent a small fortune on premium
tanks and premium time, loot boxes etc. 84 premiums or there
abouts. Despite the garbage matchmaker, and other changes to the
game such as OP premiums, corridor maps, etc etc. I have stuck with
the game time and time again. But I have to draw the line
with patch 1.10. I and MANY others are furious with the direction
Wargaming are taking this game in. Equipment 2.0 is an utter
disaster. Nobody asked for it, nobody wants it. Some players have
questioned me, saying that some players like it. Well, I have seen
very few that do like it commenting on the forums in support of
equipment 2.0. In fact the majority that are commenting on the
forums HATE this patch. Removal of free movement of Binos
etc, is a pure money grab, NOTHING more. Its got croc all to do
with making sure players make the right choice when fitting
equipment. Removal of slots for low tiers is even worse. How
do you expect new players to stay playing, once they find out they
will have to meet all those tier 4 and 5 tanks that are outright
better than them. Not only will they have to play against tanks
that are a higher tier then them. But now the tier 4 and 5's will
be better equipped too. As for the new battle communication.
That is a complete joke. All that was needed was to get rid
of old unused equipment, and introduce some new ones. Nothing more,
nothing less. #Walletclosed #Game stays uninstalled
Unicorn_of_Steel, on 11 August 2020 - 07:54 AM, said: Interesting pattern....Discrediting posters, even
accusing them, making it clear they don't matter to you, asking for
facts while not giving them yourself, trying to muscle people to
change their choice of words. By know it should even
be clear in Minsk that the problem mainly is the limited number of
demount kits, the work involved for players with large garages and
the possible negative impact in terms of generating enough credits
for the players with a rapid growning garage. Its not the change
itself, its the way it has been implemented. If you (WG) had
taken this feedback more seriously (or at all) you could have made
some small changes before implementation and the majority on this
forum just might have been straight out positive... Now what is
left is the image of a company that does not listen or does not
care and only looks at the (percieved or real) money grab part of
it.
Flint_74, on 11 August 2020 - 09:23 AM, said: To be fair though, if WG had actually properly converted ALL
installed equipment to suit the class/tier of tank in which the
equipment was mounted, instead of taking the lazy money-grabbing
option of converting most/all of it to Class 1 equipment suitable
only for the top couple of tiers of vehicles, then the question of
the lack of demount kits possibly wouldn't have been such an
immediate issue, because by and large people wouldn't have needed
to remove any existing kit unless they subsequently decided to
alter a particular tanks loadout to make use of the new equipment
types. In fact there are some key questions in all this;
1: Just how many players have now tried any of new equipment
on their tanks/vheeled wehicles? 2: How many of those players who
tried the new equipment then decided to switch back to a pre-1.10
loadout? 3: And how many players simply kept their pre-1.10
loadouts and haven't yet tried any of the new equipment for
whatever reason? Good for you; but while you're
pulling up that ladder, maybe keep in mind that not everybody can
actually afford to "buy the odd bit of gold"... especially at the
present time with all that's going on in the world.
grasho, on 11 August 2020 - 10:21 AM, said:
I can’t reply for everyone, but I can offer my own experience. 1. I am reviewing the equipment on 2 or 3 tanks a day (I have ~240) in tiers 2-8. I am not looking at (or playing) tiers 9 and 10 because the equipment is too expensive and credit loss to great. I want my lower tier tanks equipped before I use any remaining silver on equipment for the top tiers.
2. I will not switch back: if I make a poor choice, I will live with it. The cost in gold and the stingy number of demount kits is a huge deterrent from changing equipment once the equipment is loaded. Eekeeboo is free to tell me I will not be having fun by using a fork to eat chocolate (or some other confusing analogy). I will just mock his support for the decisions that cause this situation. 3. About half of the tanks I have reequipped so far have a different equipment choice than the pre-update setup. Once the measly pathetic demount kit ration runs out, I’ll stop mounting equipment and mothball the unequipped tanks. These will typically be the higher tier tanks, pushing me into seal-clubbing areas.
But, hey, WG think this will improve the game...
Three_Rounds_Rapid, on 11 August 2020 - 11:54 AM, said: Latest results show that 80% of players think the Equipment rework
is great and fully support it's implementation....
Dubaj_MS, on 11 August 2020 - 03:30 PM, said: WItam
Po aktualizacji , znikneły mi elementy wyposarzenia czołgow jak Optyka , wentylacja , Mechanizm dosyłyłajacy oraz w nie ktorych z nich , znikneła takze amunicja amunicja .
Znikneło mi wyposazenie w M44 Pantera , Progetto M35 , w tygrys I i 2 , T34 amunicja i w innych pojazdach wyposazenie jak Kmauflarz , na przykład FV4202 .
Nie wiem co sie dzieje ale kazda aktualizacja co robicie cos psuje !!! .
Nie kosultujecie zadnych zmnian z Graczami , uwazacie ze wszystko co robicie jest dobre i wy zawsze macie racje !!! Translation. Hello
After the update, the elements of the tank equipment, such as optics, ventilation, backfeed mechanism, and in some of them, ammunition also disappeared.
My equipment for the M44 Pantera, Progetto M35, tiger I and 2, T34 ammunition and other vehicles such as Kmauflarz, for example FV4202, are missing.
I don't know what's going on but every update what you do breaks something !!! .
You do not negotiate any changes with the players, you think that everything you do is good and you are always right !!!
grasho, on 11 August 2020 - 06:43 PM, said: A good survey would be more neutral. Instead of “Do you like
getting spotted more?” (negative bias) or “Do you like being
able to spot campers?” (positive bias). A good survey
would ask something like, “The new Commander Vision System (CVS)
changes the spotting mechanics making it easier to spot enemies
whilst making it harder to hide from enemies. On a scale of 1
(Bad) to 6 (Good) please rate the CVS.”
Unfortunately, as WG won’t publish its surveys, we can only speculate on the approach WG use. Do we trust them to not build a bias into their surveys?
I suspect they are biased, as one of Eekeeboos (spelling?) answers on the Equip 2.0 changes suggested that some players did not like people demounting binocs for free. How would a majority of responders put that as a major concern in a neutral survey? If a majority of players felt it was unfair, it would have been all over the forums.
Link on message: #18020874
ErCarogna, on 10 August 2020 - 02:41 PM, said: Dear Eekeeboo.Thanks for answering me.
I didn't quite understand your answer, but I'll try to use your metaphor.
You see the spoon, but not the moon of my speech.
As I said the problem is not free or paid things.
The problem is the number one rule of games, whether they are free or paid.
Don't touch the progress of the players.
Every time I sit at the table of WG Restaurant, I don't know what I find to eat, I don't know how to eat it because you give me a fork (I want to broaden your metaphor ... sorry) to eat the broth. I pay at the beginning of the meal, and in the end I didn't eat what I ordered.
All this bring in new hungry customers?
And will you be able to enlarge your restaurant?
I don't believe.
I want to tell you something ... as you know I'm an old man and old people always have something to say.
When people start playing a video game, Game developers, UI and UX designers have to facilitate something called, "emotional peak", which happens in the very first moments of the game ... it's like when you fall in love.
Do you really believe that tiers 1/2/3 with the new system ... will fall in love with this game ?? having less equipment and fewer credits? with an MM that will punish them compared to higher tiers who have more and better equipment?
WG you don't have to force me to spend the money, you have to make me fall in love with your kitchen and your recipes, clear and at the right price. Thanks again for your time.
eekeeboo: You have to touch progress occasionally to prevent stagnation and
hyperinflation and boredom. Keep the same decor, menu and chef
for 10 years, your place of service will rarely be in business
after year 3.
HansiVonHinten, on 10 August 2020 - 02:54 PM, said: You could also say: Wargaming/I don't give a flying F... about
veteran players.Is it because the hundreds of euroes ain't enough or do you think we are milked dry?
And your response regarding camo/bino/tools are not free to demount, well I have no words. You actually want to force players to use specific equipment or what? But keep digging Wargamings grave:
eekeeboo: No it's a simple and honest answer to some rather toxic statements
that have no intention of understand or reconciliation only rage
and making grandiose statements because they can. There is a point
at which you have to let toxic people go or let unhappy people do
what makes them happy.
grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 03:14 PM, said: Just think how much hassle, forum hijacking, bad feeling, poor PR,
firefightIng, wallet closing etc. that WG could have avoided
if they had just demounted and refunded equipment right from the
start. Just like we suggested the moment they announced the
Equip 2.0 sandbox... What is the number one discussion in
August? The tenth anniversary of a great game? Or the
greedy milking, tone-deaf, stubborn, idiotic money grasping company
with a dying game. How come WG’s PR department never saw
this coming? eekeeboo: Would have been differen backlash from those spending (not
exaggerating here) potentially 8 hours re-equipping tanks. You
make a decision as I said to move forward, not all of it will be
popular with everyone, but so far there's more positive than
negative from what I see, despite the difference in volume in how
it's being said.
geekuma, on 10 August 2020 - 04:13 PM, said: I think they didn't have much of a word in this. Or they
have been hypnotized by spinning Excel sheets and well-animated
PowerPoint presentations to believe that this change was something
players actually wanted. Thinking about my own past
experience with unpopular software updates, I would put my money on
someone with an ugly tie and high level PowerPoint sorcery skills
who made the decision without and refused to listen to the WG
foot soldiers (devs, coders, testers, designers, community members,
etc.). And to show solidarity towards the company (not to get
fired) these people have to also defend the views of this tie
wearing marketing creature (I try to be funny here), despite their
own personal or professional opinion on the matter.
It's a horrible feeling when you have to defend your manager's
questionable decisions, trying to make them sound nice. I've been
there, too. Just have to bite my tongue and save my comments for
the next internal discussion round. And if we players can give them
some well reasoned opinions, we will make their job so much easier.
I wish some of the fellow commanders in this forum would be a bit
more respectful with their feedback (even when I can fully
understand their frustration). WG people reading these forums are
not the ones who make the big business decisions. It's
a good question, that who did that business decision. And would
that person/those persons be able to re-evaluate this whole
patch idea based on players' feedback, and maybe even come up
with a more player-friendly and less sucking-players-wallet-empty
approach. gl&hf, geekuma eekeeboo: The more I read your posts, the more I love them! Boop of yes shall
be invented soon. Reasonable and constructive feedback is always a
bonus because it's easier to have a discussion and move it forward.
"I hate it" is not helpful and having to avoid being baited into
arguments doesn't help move any of the discussion forward. There is
a stage where a business decision is made, for better or for worse,
but always with good intentions and my job and others is to explain
this to the best of our abilities and try to help people understand
why so they can make their own decision on if they want to continue
or not. That's how I've always worked and why my answers are rarely
sugar coated into false promises.
Erwin_Von_Braun, on 10 August 2020 - 04:54 PM, said: Ok, here's the thing - this^ right here is the thing that I, and a
good many others have a problem with. Why should I spend MY
resources to facilitate a change that YOU are making? For
the record, I'm generally in agreement with the majority of
Equipment 2.0 - but the implementation was a farce.
I've had WoT as a permanent fixture of my SSD since I started
playing - no more - I will not participate in a game run by people
that treat their paying customers with such contempt. eekeeboo: Answered in the other thread, but you don't have to, you can not
spend at all and just grind demount kits. It's your choice
yodelihiti, on 10 August 2020 - 06:17 PM, said: To the walls of text from Eekeboo: Accept you are wrong.
1/3rd of your players ran away and thus their income. eekeeboo: Walls of text answering as many people as I can otherwise people
complain that I don't answer them. Nothing to accept, we
act in the interest of the game and playerbase as a whole. Can you
please provide where the 1/3 of the playerbase leaving and that all
1/3 of those are paying customers?
Smegger213, on 10 August 2020 - 10:12 PM, said: Well Eekaboo, you have the cheek to tell me to change my tone.
Why don't you analyse why I have the tone that I have?
I have played this game avidly since August 2012. That's 8
years of hard toil. I have gone through thick and thin with
Wargaming over the years. I have spent a small fortune on premium
tanks and premium time, loot boxes etc. 84 premiums or there
abouts. Despite the garbage matchmaker, and other changes to the
game such as OP premiums, corridor maps, etc etc. I have stuck with
the game time and time again. But I have to draw the line
with patch 1.10. I and MANY others are furious with the direction
Wargaming are taking this game in. Equipment 2.0 is an utter
disaster. Nobody asked for it, nobody wants it. Some players have
questioned me, saying that some players like it. Well, I have seen
very few that do like it commenting on the forums in support of
equipment 2.0. In fact the majority that are commenting on the
forums HATE this patch. Removal of free movement of Binos
etc, is a pure money grab, NOTHING more. Its got croc all to do
with making sure players make the right choice when fitting
equipment. Removal of slots for low tiers is even worse. How
do you expect new players to stay playing, once they find out they
will have to meet all those tier 4 and 5 tanks that are outright
better than them. Not only will they have to play against tanks
that are a higher tier then them. But now the tier 4 and 5's will
be better equipped too. As for the new battle communication.
That is a complete joke. All that was needed was to get rid
of old unused equipment, and introduce some new ones. Nothing more,
nothing less. #Walletclosed #Game stays uninstalledeekeeboo: I analysed this long ago, your tone now is no different to as it
was before when you were first given warning points. You are not
always rude, but when you are it's no excuse. No one is entitled to
being rude or insutling in any fashion, no matter how upset you
are. It's a simple warning to a simple rule to be
considerate.
Unicorn_of_Steel, on 11 August 2020 - 07:54 AM, said: Interesting pattern....Discrediting posters, even
accusing them, making it clear they don't matter to you, asking for
facts while not giving them yourself, trying to muscle people to
change their choice of words. By know it should even
be clear in Minsk that the problem mainly is the limited number of
demount kits, the work involved for players with large garages and
the possible negative impact in terms of generating enough credits
for the players with a rapid growning garage. Its not the change
itself, its the way it has been implemented. If you (WG) had
taken this feedback more seriously (or at all) you could have made
some small changes before implementation and the majority on this
forum just might have been straight out positive... Now what is
left is the image of a company that does not listen or does not
care and only looks at the (percieved or real) money grab part of
it. eekeeboo: Because while people make bold statements it's required to give
facts. I am not asserting 99% of players love the change, others
are. I am asking for clarification and proof to back up statements
and not have people give false information that others will not
understand to read into as being false statements. Again
it's not about how select feedback feels or reads, how does the
large picture fit and how does the change help adapt to long
standing problems within the game, for such as new players who
don't play for a reason.
Flint_74, on 11 August 2020 - 09:23 AM, said: To be fair though, if WG had actually properly converted ALL
installed equipment to suit the class/tier of tank in which the
equipment was mounted, instead of taking the lazy money-grabbing
option of converting most/all of it to Class 1 equipment suitable
only for the top couple of tiers of vehicles, then the question of
the lack of demount kits possibly wouldn't have been such an
immediate issue, because by and large people wouldn't have needed
to remove any existing kit unless they subsequently decided to
alter a particular tanks loadout to make use of the new equipment
types. In fact there are some key questions in all this;
1: Just how many players have now tried any of new equipment
on their tanks/vheeled wehicles? 2: How many of those players who
tried the new equipment then decided to switch back to a pre-1.10
loadout? 3: And how many players simply kept their pre-1.10
loadouts and haven't yet tried any of the new equipment for
whatever reason? Good for you; but while you're
pulling up that ladder, maybe keep in mind that not everybody can
actually afford to "buy the odd bit of gold"... especially at the
present time with all that's going on in the world.eekeeboo: That was looked at and people gave negative feedback that it wasn't
what they always wanted.
grasho, on 11 August 2020 - 10:21 AM, said: I can’t reply for everyone, but I can offer my own experience. 1. I am reviewing the equipment on 2 or 3 tanks a day (I have ~240) in tiers 2-8. I am not looking at (or playing) tiers 9 and 10 because the equipment is too expensive and credit loss to great. I want my lower tier tanks equipped before I use any remaining silver on equipment for the top tiers.
2. I will not switch back: if I make a poor choice, I will live with it. The cost in gold and the stingy number of demount kits is a huge deterrent from changing equipment once the equipment is loaded. Eekeeboo is free to tell me I will not be having fun by using a fork to eat chocolate (or some other confusing analogy). I will just mock his support for the decisions that cause this situation. 3. About half of the tanks I have reequipped so far have a different equipment choice than the pre-update setup. Once the measly pathetic demount kit ration runs out, I’ll stop mounting equipment and mothball the unequipped tanks. These will typically be the higher tier tanks, pushing me into seal-clubbing areas.
But, hey, WG think this will improve the game...
eekeeboo: As long as your chocolate is solid you can use the fork for a
chocolate sponge.
Three_Rounds_Rapid, on 11 August 2020 - 11:54 AM, said: Latest results show that 80% of players think the Equipment rework
is great and fully support it's implementation....eekeeboo: What I just said above
18:13
Added after 4 minute
Dubaj_MS, on 11 August 2020 - 03:30 PM, said: WItamPo aktualizacji , znikneły mi elementy wyposarzenia czołgow jak Optyka , wentylacja , Mechanizm dosyłyłajacy oraz w nie ktorych z nich , znikneła takze amunicja amunicja .
Znikneło mi wyposazenie w M44 Pantera , Progetto M35 , w tygrys I i 2 , T34 amunicja i w innych pojazdach wyposazenie jak Kmauflarz , na przykład FV4202 .
Nie wiem co sie dzieje ale kazda aktualizacja co robicie cos psuje !!! .
Nie kosultujecie zadnych zmnian z Graczami , uwazacie ze wszystko co robicie jest dobre i wy zawsze macie racje !!! Translation. Hello
After the update, the elements of the tank equipment, such as optics, ventilation, backfeed mechanism, and in some of them, ammunition also disappeared.
My equipment for the M44 Pantera, Progetto M35, tiger I and 2, T34 ammunition and other vehicles such as Kmauflarz, for example FV4202, are missing.
I don't know what's going on but every update what you do breaks something !!! .
You do not negotiate any changes with the players, you think that everything you do is good and you are always right !!!
eekeeboo: heads up red text will get you boop of noped, please change
it.
grasho, on 11 August 2020 - 06:43 PM, said: A good survey would be more neutral. Instead of “Do you like
getting spotted more?” (negative bias) or “Do you like being
able to spot campers?” (positive bias). A good survey
would ask something like, “The new Commander Vision System (CVS)
changes the spotting mechanics making it easier to spot enemies
whilst making it harder to hide from enemies. On a scale of 1
(Bad) to 6 (Good) please rate the CVS.”Unfortunately, as WG won’t publish its surveys, we can only speculate on the approach WG use. Do we trust them to not build a bias into their surveys?
I suspect they are biased, as one of Eekeeboos (spelling?) answers on the Equip 2.0 changes suggested that some players did not like people demounting binocs for free. How would a majority of responders put that as a major concern in a neutral survey? If a majority of players felt it was unfair, it would have been all over the forums.
eekeeboo: Surveys are done through specialist people who will actively keep
neutral tones where possible and why some people say "asked stupid
questions" because they don't ask in a way they can say "yes
1,000,000% everything is stupid I agree".
Subject: Equipment 2.0 Is Here!
Link on message: #18020837
ibrox3, on 10 August 2020 - 11:33 AM, said: Eeekaboo - you have been busy this morning. I can see why your
bosses gave you this job. You are articulate, you ask us to remain
on topic - rightly - then you drift off and talk about tonnes of
chocolate. You have the political skills , to reply in a bland
manner without saying anything , always maintaining the party line.
So- >Eeekaboo "That's why you're encouraged
to learn to adapt and not just use 1 thing across the whole board
and expect it to work for everything, this was the point of the
changes to increase the adaptability and customisability and
choices for equipment. And at lower tiers, you know they were
changed to be simple also. I wish you luck on one day finding a way
to open your wallet on something you like, until then feel free to
keep spamming it, it won't change the sentiment of change for the
many, not the loud minority
" What is encouraging to learn and adapt ? I
find out looking at higher tier TD's the ones with the extra % slot
1 to find that there is no advantage to using Bino's or Camo Net.
However of the equipment changes one of the most significant ones
is - the added ability to spot through foliage, i.e. to reveal more
easily the hidden TD's. To counter that an increased bonus for Camo
Net % or perhaps Binos to sit even further back would have perhaps
retained the same (or close) meta. However this is not allowed -
QED the main attribute of TD's is eroded - lying in wait
undetected. Instead the ability to use FIREPOWER related equipment
gains the + Everyone follows so far.... As in I have 36,000
battles + in my TD's and overall 58% win rate and now I am being
shown that I should concentrate on using a rammer in them and
clearly Camo Net / Binos is the "Wrong" equipment as you have
already explained with other set ups. BUT The inconsistency
in that the lower Tier TD's - you know where new players
Learn the game , maps, tank types etc etc..... are NOT allowed to
even use a rammer ! Now you can state that removing the
option to mount / demount camo net binos and toolkit is to
discourage bad equipt set ups -but you are not stopping anyone from
doing so.... You are stopping TD's from using a Rammer.
You see what you did there ? Using a justification which
cannot be consistent. Far better to admit that actually over
time it is monetisation. Honest and fair - its a free game has to
be paid for somehow - but trying to argue that instead it is about
educating the TierX player base ?! >Eeekaboo "One of the
changes you ask for on trying out the equipment combinations, you
can get an idea of, with a system that highlights the changeso on
the right hand side of you screen, showing you the exact changes,
something that you didn't have before, so you have it there. "
No , Not me. I can use the tank comparator tool and since it
was brought in always have. I just want to be able to use
equipment in all tanks and to be able to use the same equipment.
For all those that have not many games and low on credits that are
grinding Tiers they will suffer - no equipment. I know many
players who would get a new tank , including Tier X and try it out.
That includes adding Camo Binos and Toolkit as they may just hate
the tank.
grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 12:01 PM, said: I’ve been think about Eek’s response to me, and I think it is
suggesting new players are more likely to stay (and buy) if they
had a better understanding of the game mechanics. This got
me thinking about my own experience when I started playing, and
what encouraged me to stay. Improving my performance by
understanding the mechanics, role, equipment, maps etc. has
never been a factor. I still don’t understand all the
mechanics after 93k games (for example, I’m a good scout player,
but I’ve only just realised the significance of having a view range
that is greater than 440m). I stayed be because it was
fun.
I remember learning “don’t cross the centre line” on Prok in my (then tier 3) BT7. But now tier 3 tanks never experience Prok: it is Mines, Himmelsdorf and Abbey. We had map variation, which made the game fun. The maps had hidden paths and unintended routes. We could find those and exploit them. It was fun. Now all maps have hidden barriers forcing players into corridors. That is not fun, it reduces variation. Protection for newbies was missing. Being able to rofl-stomp was considered a good thing.
Unbalanced maps. It was never a problem and sometimes you gained, sometime you didn’t. Murovanka’s magic forest was brilliant, sniping from the north or manoeuvring and using the dips in the south to flank the snipers.
Scout matchmaking. You haven’t lived until your tier 4 light destroys a tier 10 heavy. It also taught you how to handle lights so you could avoid incoming shots.
All of these examples can be grouped together as “variation”. There are many more examples of how the game was fun and kept me hooked (and spending). Those fun factors were all removed by successive “improvements” and the game is becoming more “corporate” (for want of a better phrase). It has become consistent, predictable, technical, bland... If you want to attract more new players and retain the old players, bring the variation back.
Medics_Gun, on 10 August 2020 - 12:08 PM, said: Never seen before WG Staff and moderators defending a decision so
hard. You guys are trying to convince the majority of players that
changes were necessary and absolutely useful. Necessary and useful
for gameplay, for new players, for veterans, or for company's
income? Imo, equipment-2 is nothing but a desperate trick which
currently works as a boomerang. The whole update is a bad joke full
of lies and illusions. I wonder if the CEO and his advisors
are looking already for a new job....
RamDass, on 10 August 2020 - 12:22 PM, said: So new week new narrative. Like was predicted last week the
argument is going to be only a small percentage are dissatisfied
with the amazing patch on EU servers. If you are so sure of
this why not just do an in-game survey for all players? That will
giove you the statistics you need. Of course you won't do that
though, will you? Irrespective oif whatever the personal
opinion of EU wargaming staff and shill accounts, the deciding
factor is, and always was, the RU player base.
Personally speaking, I would disregard any feedback you get from
staff here, it's all conjecture anyway, and wait to see what the
actually WG decision makers in Minsk decide to appease the Russian
players.
Ragnaguard, on 10 August 2020 - 12:50 PM, said: u seem to defend their side way more than an average player.. maybe
u have to propose a better way then... cause in my eyes every try
is better than no try at all... or u saying cause some
players will have the alternative accounts the poll will be so off?
let WG decide the accounts that will send the survey randomly...
has been done again in the past. all my years of playing this
game i never seen a proof of what WG states its true (not
even the names of accounts that r banned is presented to us (just a
"1500accounts banned, huraayyyy" thing). where is the transparency?
they only relaised 2 great mistakes (1st rubicon AFTER ALL
streamers pointed out , and 2nd preferenciall MM AFTER many
players refunded their credit cards).. so once more, if u got any
better ideas better present em.. at least will make u seen as one
who actually tries to help
geekuma, on 10 August 2020 - 12:51 PM, said: Dear eekeeboo, While your answer was to ibrox3, I
want to notify one thing, which I also wrote to the Bugs and
Technical Issues thread (under the GUI Equipment). This
preview feature you mentioned, is indeed very handy and I like it a
lot. My sort of an OCD-ish love for figures, numbers and
classifications is very happy about the numerical values and the
extra details in the hover-over. Unfortunately there's
one but. The but is that this window-shopping is possible only, if
a player has enough credits or bonds to buy the equipment. If a
player doesn't have enough credits or bonds, he/she won't be able
to preview its effect on the tank either. I'm sure you understand,
why people would like to preview also equipment, which they at that
moment can't afford. The standard ones (credits), the bounties
(credits) and improved equipment (bonds) - all of them.
Edit2: I have to make a factual correction here. It is not possible
to window-shop any equipment, even if there is enouch credits. The
equipment slot has to be empty, thus dictating removal of existing
equipment. Dear WG, please change this, that a player can test-fit
any equipment as they wish, and the changes are applied at the end.
You know, the same way one can test-fit different camouflages,
emblems and so on in the Exterior window. That would be actually
practical and improve the gaming experience.
While it's nice to do window-shopping for
all the obvious reasons, it also gives a short-term target to save
credits/bonds up for this certain kind of equipment, don't you
think? :-) gl&hf, geekuma Edit:
Corrected my mindflow induced English, and added a link to my
related post. Edit2: 11/8/2020 Added updated information
based on findings. Screenshot updated.
Ragnaguard, on 10 August 2020 - 12:53 PM, said: also , this thread has more than 1k responds (much more if u add
the where my equipment gone thread) and WG still has shown no signs
of even identifying the problem... any further comments on that?
grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 01:37 PM, said:
Someone did suggest a few days ago that WG would quietly start removing posts. As a lead moderator in my employers forum (before I retired (aged 50
at Christmas) I agree it
can be acceptable to removing offensive posts. If
they are removing posts that are off-topic, I would be a little
concerned, but it could be acceptable. If they are
removing posts to hide discontent or skew the narrative, then
I would consider that very sinister and destructive.
Criticism is a good thing if you want to improve.
Sesrex, on 10 August 2020 - 01:43 PM, said: It was suggested in the other thread (Current Update/Feedback) on
the 6th of August. And hey presto it was correct: Not a
hope. The plan will be as follows: Hide for a few days while
the initial player backlash subsides. Continue to use shell
accounts (50 games 5000 forum posts) to try and get the narrative
back on track and post positive things about this trash no matter
how obvious it is. Send in the moderators after a week to dish out
punishment warnings, for criticising the patch (Just use any
reaosn, criticisng WG, not relevant to the topic, take your pick).
Wait another few days then quietly begin deleting entire posts that
made relevant points about how bad the patch is Take a decision on
what to do next based on the RU player base as the EU department
are inept and incapable of reporting to Minsk how people really
feel about this trash. http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/749450-update-110-release-general-feedback/page__st__460__pid__18005704#entry18005704
Link on message: #18020837
ibrox3, on 10 August 2020 - 11:33 AM, said: Eeekaboo - you have been busy this morning. I can see why your
bosses gave you this job. You are articulate, you ask us to remain
on topic - rightly - then you drift off and talk about tonnes of
chocolate. You have the political skills , to reply in a bland
manner without saying anything , always maintaining the party line.
So- >Eeekaboo "That's why you're encouraged
to learn to adapt and not just use 1 thing across the whole board
and expect it to work for everything, this was the point of the
changes to increase the adaptability and customisability and
choices for equipment. And at lower tiers, you know they were
changed to be simple also. I wish you luck on one day finding a way
to open your wallet on something you like, until then feel free to
keep spamming it, it won't change the sentiment of change for the
many, not the loud minority eekeeboo: I am both complimented and offended at the same time, chocolate
payment is acceptable in compensation. The TD example
you gave only works for certain TD's but yes, is true for some
tanks, but for a JgdE100 (oh how I hate you) ain't no amount of
camo going to save you, for a grille on the other hand, I'm OK with
making them be a bit more cautious in how they position so I don't
get uber sniped on prok by uber bush-fesst (extreme example but one
case). Many people have said scouts are useless because of wheeled
tanks for instance and can no longer spot to the same leve, well
the camo reduction may be a way to introduce them into a mechanic
that levels the playing field a little and gives them an edge in
other ways (just off the top of my head)
That's becase I make
generalising statements rather than go into the nitty gritty case
by case example that would not only bore people and people don't
read, but we also answered previously. While some tank destroyers
do indeed rely on the rammer, others do not. There was a look into
tailoring equipment to each vehicle by its playstyle but the
feedback was that was unpopular and people hated it even more on
being told HOW to play. And if you don't have any bonuses or even
limitations, then why bother changing at all? And so on and so
forth. You have to stimulate and push people into changing, because
if you don't, they won't. Not all tanks do play the same, nor
should they be equipped that way. The plan was always to encourage
diversity in play style and set-ups for players so that 95% of
players (yes made up stat) use only 4 pieces of equipment (Unless
they're f2p then it's 3 pieces
).
grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 12:01 PM, said: I’ve been think about Eek’s response to me, and I think it is
suggesting new players are more likely to stay (and buy) if they
had a better understanding of the game mechanics. This got
me thinking about my own experience when I started playing, and
what encouraged me to stay. Improving my performance by
understanding the mechanics, role, equipment, maps etc. has
never been a factor. I still don’t understand all the
mechanics after 93k games (for example, I’m a good scout player,
but I’ve only just realised the significance of having a view range
that is greater than 440m). I stayed be because it was
fun.I remember learning “don’t cross the centre line” on Prok in my (then tier 3) BT7. But now tier 3 tanks never experience Prok: it is Mines, Himmelsdorf and Abbey. We had map variation, which made the game fun. The maps had hidden paths and unintended routes. We could find those and exploit them. It was fun. Now all maps have hidden barriers forcing players into corridors. That is not fun, it reduces variation. Protection for newbies was missing. Being able to rofl-stomp was considered a good thing.
Unbalanced maps. It was never a problem and sometimes you gained, sometime you didn’t. Murovanka’s magic forest was brilliant, sniping from the north or manoeuvring and using the dips in the south to flank the snipers.
Scout matchmaking. You haven’t lived until your tier 4 light destroys a tier 10 heavy. It also taught you how to handle lights so you could avoid incoming shots.
All of these examples can be grouped together as “variation”. There are many more examples of how the game was fun and kept me hooked (and spending). Those fun factors were all removed by successive “improvements” and the game is becoming more “corporate” (for want of a better phrase). It has become consistent, predictable, technical, bland... If you want to attract more new players and retain the old players, bring the variation back.
eekeeboo: You are right in some of your statements, but I think I already
answered this about needing to be able to attract new audience and
not just rely on the same audience which over time has changed in
itself. The game environment and F2P games are now very different
to what they were and people expect very different things. Unless
you're an old school WoT player, in which case some players like
nothing to change.
Medics_Gun, on 10 August 2020 - 12:08 PM, said: Never seen before WG Staff and moderators defending a decision so
hard. You guys are trying to convince the majority of players that
changes were necessary and absolutely useful. Necessary and useful
for gameplay, for new players, for veterans, or for company's
income? Imo, equipment-2 is nothing but a desperate trick which
currently works as a boomerang. The whole update is a bad joke full
of lies and illusions. I wonder if the CEO and his advisors
are looking already for a new job.... eekeeboo: You should look back at some of my earlier work. This is because I
and we are trying to explain the situation to people who are asking
questions or may have it wrong. Before I moved on from community
manager you would see me here far more frequently doing what I'm
doing now, simply put, I will give you answers, whether you like
them or not and give reasons for the change so you can understand
why it's happening. It is then up to you whether you accept them or
not, for which my job is to try and get you onside and understand
it and accept it and help you, but at the end of the day, this is a
personal decision and we can only do so much. This is the nature of
community management and relations
RamDass, on 10 August 2020 - 12:22 PM, said: So new week new narrative. Like was predicted last week the
argument is going to be only a small percentage are dissatisfied
with the amazing patch on EU servers. If you are so sure of
this why not just do an in-game survey for all players? That will
giove you the statistics you need. Of course you won't do that
though, will you? Irrespective oif whatever the personal
opinion of EU wargaming staff and shill accounts, the deciding
factor is, and always was, the RU player base.
Personally speaking, I would disregard any feedback you get from
staff here, it's all conjecture anyway, and wait to see what the
actually WG decision makers in Minsk decide to appease the Russian
players.eekeeboo: Because someone has to then go through millions of survey results,
you don't do this in any data gathering unless you're collecting
population data. You collected target and representative samples
that represent all demographics of your playerbase and test against
your hypothesis and your other sampling techniques like feedback
gathering from platforms. Not new narrative btw, just new staff
visiting for the first time in a long time.
Ragnaguard, on 10 August 2020 - 12:50 PM, said: u seem to defend their side way more than an average player.. maybe
u have to propose a better way then... cause in my eyes every try
is better than no try at all... or u saying cause some
players will have the alternative accounts the poll will be so off?
let WG decide the accounts that will send the survey randomly...
has been done again in the past. all my years of playing this
game i never seen a proof of what WG states its true (not
even the names of accounts that r banned is presented to us (just a
"1500accounts banned, huraayyyy" thing). where is the transparency?
they only relaised 2 great mistakes (1st rubicon AFTER ALL
streamers pointed out , and 2nd preferenciall MM AFTER many
players refunded their credit cards).. so once more, if u got any
better ideas better present em.. at least will make u seen as one
who actually tries to help eekeeboo: Please refer above, people like Homer tend to understand data and
have many people explain why surveys on just platform are not
effective. As soon as you rely on single platform feedback you get
the "You only listen to X player, you're ruining this game!". Let's
say every player on EU all agreed suddenly to come to the forums
and all said the exact same thing, that's still not every player on
every server.
geekuma, on 10 August 2020 - 12:51 PM, said: Dear eekeeboo, While your answer was to ibrox3, I
want to notify one thing, which I also wrote to the Bugs and
Technical Issues thread (under the GUI Equipment). This
preview feature you mentioned, is indeed very handy and I like it a
lot. My sort of an OCD-ish love for figures, numbers and
classifications is very happy about the numerical values and the
extra details in the hover-over. Unfortunately there's
one but. The but is that this window-shopping is possible only, if
a player has enough credits or bonds to buy the equipment. If a
player doesn't have enough credits or bonds, he/she won't be able
to preview its effect on the tank either. I'm sure you understand,
why people would like to preview also equipment, which they at that
moment can't afford. The standard ones (credits), the bounties
(credits) and improved equipment (bonds) - all of them.
Edit2: I have to make a factual correction here. It is not possible
to window-shop any equipment, even if there is enouch credits. The
equipment slot has to be empty, thus dictating removal of existing
equipment. Dear WG, please change this, that a player can test-fit
any equipment as they wish, and the changes are applied at the end.
You know, the same way one can test-fit different camouflages,
emblems and so on in the Exterior window. That would be actually
practical and improve the gaming experience. eekeeboo: Thanks for this, and it's something to look at it in the future,
but this is where and why you're asked to accept your loadout
before you buy, I understand if you've already kitted out this
isn't much help to you, but I believe you can also see the changes
another way but I need to check if it's the same from earlier
tests. Also... is it too soon to say convert gold to
credits?
Ragnaguard, on 10 August 2020 - 12:53 PM, said: also , this thread has more than 1k responds (much more if u add
the where my equipment gone thread) and WG still has shown no signs
of even identifying the problem... any further comments on that?eekeeboo: 1k responses and how many actual respondants?
grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 01:37 PM, said: Someone did suggest a few days ago that WG would quietly start removing posts. As a lead moderator in my employers forum (before I retired (aged 50
Criticism is a good thing if you want to improve.
eekeeboo: I'm sure you can see by the number of critical posts from the same
people, that there's no "censorship" only actual forum rule
enforcement
. It's why when posts are removed I
still quote and warn people or just go "boop of nope".
Sesrex, on 10 August 2020 - 01:43 PM, said: It was suggested in the other thread (Current Update/Feedback) on
the 6th of August. And hey presto it was correct: Not a
hope. The plan will be as follows: Hide for a few days while
the initial player backlash subsides. Continue to use shell
accounts (50 games 5000 forum posts) to try and get the narrative
back on track and post positive things about this trash no matter
how obvious it is. Send in the moderators after a week to dish out
punishment warnings, for criticising the patch (Just use any
reaosn, criticisng WG, not relevant to the topic, take your pick).
Wait another few days then quietly begin deleting entire posts that
made relevant points about how bad the patch is Take a decision on
what to do next based on the RU player base as the EU department
are inept and incapable of reporting to Minsk how people really
feel about this trash. http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/749450-update-110-release-general-feedback/page__st__460__pid__18005704#entry18005704eekeeboo: Be busy being elsewhere and catering to more than just the
forumsActively plan other events like gamescom onlineReally? What's
the point, that has no voice anywayModerators are here all the time
enforcing rules. I'm sorry I and others are busy, but I simply
have a lot to do and none of it actively requires me to be on the
forums or replying. Feedback was already gathered and sent...
twice.
Subject: Equipment 2.0 Is Here!
Link on message: #18020812
gunslingerXXX, on 10 August 2020 - 09:20 AM, said: Thank you for commenting. I find it odd that none of
the CC's that I've watched mentioned that for example 30 demount
kits is a bit low for players with large garages. I find it a bit
odd that none mentioned (that I'm aware of) their opinion about
bino's etc. not free to move around anymore. I find it odd that
none mentioned that for tier 8+ lots of equipment units will become
more expensive. When I notice (in my perception) odd
behaviour I quickly think other things are happening/being
manipulated. Maybe I sould be less critical. I can assure you this
is not about spreading misinformation (at least not on purpose)
dasdon, on 10 August 2020 - 10:03 AM, said: The game companies that survive are the ones that are also
not afraid to monetise effectively to stay alive.
heres the rub tho you havent been effective and its plainly showing now. this game is in the terminal decline stage now. by that i mean theres no new players to replace the old and the bored so what do we get a grubby money grabbing company that tries to bend its loyal supporters over a barrel to extort every last penny, and for what? wargaming has been laughing all the way to the bank selling us crap pixel tanks for the price of a real game and we keep falling for it.
mind now one day when wargaming is a stain on your shoe your going to realise crap i gave them 1000s and i have nothing to show for it.well maybe a teashirt at best saying i got scammed by a greedy company once.
geekuma, on 10 August 2020 - 10:19 AM, said: Thank you, eekeeboo. I always appreciate it, when I get
feedback from staff or community members :-) I am not
disagreeing with the fact, that every business needs to make money.
I am disagreeing with the business decisions, which have
unfortunately destroyed the reputation of Equipment 2.0. After
these few days of playing I have really gotten into liking the new
equipment to play with. They really add new and usable options to
the game. Because it could have been made in a more
player-friendly way. I have suggested the alternative approach:
replace all the equipment on players' tanks with the best
equivalent and give players the remaining difference in credits
back as credits. That would have helped with the acceptance of the
change and the credits on the saldo would have encouraged more
active in-game economy. It's just like in the real life: when
governments give tax-payers tax returns, tax-payers are going to
feed that money back into the economy and boost it.
Making Binoculars and Camouflage net fixed equipment, and therefore
forcing users make more purchases has also caused a lot of bad
blood in the player base. There has been nothing wrong with this
solution for 10 years, so why change it now? Creating different
classes of Binoculars and Camouflage nets (like now has been done)
was not forcing to change them into fixed equipment at the same
time. And lastly, the measly number of 30 Demount kits
in return to player... That literally feels like an insult to all
of us older players with a lot (more than 10) tanks. We have spent
a lot of money in the game over the years, and this "gesture" just
makes us feel very unappreciated. It's almost like Donald Trump's
recent phone call to billionaire and major Republican supporter
Sheldon Adelson, where he was complaining not receiving enough
support (he has been donating at least $100m to Trump's
re-election campaign). While it's a nice idea to help new players
to get into the game, the execution of this idea has slapped the
oldest and most loyal players straight onto their faces.
Edit: As a business analyst myself I know there has been a
lot of Excel woodoo and shiny PowerPoint slides being tossed around
before making those business decisions. And to me it seems that
whoever made the decision, just simply doesn't understand the
player base. It does not help a bit, that on paper no player is
losing any credits (because of the replacing gear and the resale
value of them). My suggestion above would have also been performed
with the exact same number of in-game credits, but it would have
boosted the in-game economy instead of stagnating it and causing
rejectful feelings in the most loyal player base. It is still not
too late to change this. There is a ton of equipment still waiting
to be demounted in the next patch, there is still time to withdraw
the bad decisions, there is still time to say sorry and try again
with a better attitude towards players. I can only hope, that
someone in the management with a big enough tie will listen to this
and show some common sense. Making players like the game will
make them pay for it. Trying to force players to pay for the game
will make them disappear. Simple as that. I want to
repeat again, that I am not blaming the WG foot soldiers, like
developers, coders, testers, customer support or community members
for any of this. You guys have the unpleasant job of taking the
heat from the player base and trying to explain things the best way
to angry players. Sterkte, as the Dutchies say.
gl&hf, geekuma Edit: Corrected some English and
added one more paragraph.
BRONSON1972, on 10 August 2020 - 10:32 AM, said: Well you just proved how out of touch you are with the core of your
players, the ones who played this game a lot, for many years and
were happy to spend money on it, you have taken a big dump on all
of us, not one of my clan is happy with the changes so that's 99%
unhappy (allowing 1% for those absent or lying) , when your new
players try the game, get bored, don't spend a penny on it and
leave, maybe then you will realise what a mistake you made, I just
hope I am around to see it.
grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 10:39 AM, said: Eek Thank you for taking the time to engage with us. It is
appreciated. I generally agree with a lot of what you are
saying: new content is good and you cannot please
everyone. I have been having exactly the same conversations
with my customers for a decade. However, what WG appear to
be missing is that not all change is good, and some change
causes unexpected pain. All we want is for that pain to be
taken away and the destructive changes removed. You keep
saying demounting for gold is not a problem because we now get free
demount kits (whilst charging a million or more for
them
). Demount kits are a powerful
tool to achieve the Equip 2.0 aim of more diverse setups. Yet
you ration them, actively discouraging players from changing.
Players need a regular and consistent supply of demount kits
(or a number saved) to help achieve WG’s aim. Forcing players
to choose between gold (a cost), destruction (a cost) or
hoping for a mission (frustration or luck) when they realise
better equipment is available will discourage change.
You say you want to move in the direction of the majority. Again, a good idea. Yet every time you move towards the majority, the number of players reduces. Maybe your methods for feedback are failing to identify negative factors? For example, at the weekend, I was surveyed (would I recommend the game?). I gave a negative answer and the survey closed. As an individual who has conducted customer surveys, this was surprising. The survey provided no useful feedback for WG. It would have been more valuable if it then asked why my response was negative. This makes me wonder if your feedback methods skew results so they favour positives and ignore negatives.
You know my other gripes and they are not particularly negative towards Equip 2.0 (as we English say, c’est la vie) but are around unfair loss , how the changes work against the Equip 2.0 aims, and how you are trying to achieve uniformity and compliance (something that discourages fun). I will finish by highlighting one of your quotes (and please do not see this as cherry picking, but a practical example). And while you can have fun playing a tanke the way it's not supposed to be played, you should only do this when you know HOW, a player with less than 1k games who doesn't know spotting, camo or armout mechanics yolog scouting on Prok is going to rage more than a person who knows how it should be done. There is a point when you can get away with it, for yourself after that many battles you know how it should be done, many do not. I was that player. I had hundreds of BT7 games when I started playing WoT, whizzing around Prok trying to scout and failing hard (we did not have the “last seen here” markers and viewrange drawn on the minimap). I did not rage, I did not complain, I was not discouraged. I leant not to cross the centre line until 8 enemy had died, at which point I could devastate the rest Failures are more useful than successes.
vanderkat, on 10 August 2020 - 10:41 AM, said: Nit-picking over the accuracy of fractions of a percentage
does not negate the point of the comment, though.
AngryObnoxiousOtter, on 10 August 2020 - 10:41 AM, said: The vast Majority in my clan are also extremely unhappy. The map
and ping changes are the biggest gripe and highlights how
detached the devs are. There are changes that no one needed or
asked for, ever!!!! Golden rule If it's not broken DO
NOT FIX IT
grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 10:58 AM, said:
Hey, if WG can claim a 10% discount is “slashing prices” and having to grind to Tier X is “making it easier to earn bonds”, then I think the 99% is a perfectly acceptable calculation using WG’s standards as the benchmark.
BRONSON1972, on 10 August 2020 - 11:00 AM, said: 85% of comments on here disagree with you I think, sorry if
I might be a % or two out.
geekuma, on 10 August 2020 - 11:10 AM, said: A statistical fact: 92,7% of people who use percentages to
back their claims up, pull that number out of their hat. Or a sock.
Or a belly bag. Whatever people like to wear and pull things out
from. :-P gl&hf, geekuma
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gunslingerXXX, on 10 August 2020 - 09:20 AM, said: Thank you for commenting. I find it odd that none of
the CC's that I've watched mentioned that for example 30 demount
kits is a bit low for players with large garages. I find it a bit
odd that none mentioned (that I'm aware of) their opinion about
bino's etc. not free to move around anymore. I find it odd that
none mentioned that for tier 8+ lots of equipment units will become
more expensive. When I notice (in my perception) odd
behaviour I quickly think other things are happening/being
manipulated. Maybe I sould be less critical. I can assure you this
is not about spreading misinformation (at least not on purpose)eekeeboo: Hello, I believe the ones I've watched did bring it up, but for the
most part they only reply if prompted for this. Many of the
contributors actually don't mention it because they don't need them
and will already have purchased them or just keep their set up. I
know many people are currently wrapping their heads around the
content and making sure they're well informed before potentially
having to do guide videos twice
A few mentioned the
binos in that "It's not good for free to play players.... but...."
or something to that effect, but for that is usually followed by "I
like the ability to move them in slots for free" and highlighting
the way if you are smart you can make credits and looking at ways
to maximise builds. I appreciate that you may seem this, but many
content creators are indeed just trying to figure everything out
before making a statement. But if you watch their streams a few
have already settled into a rhythm with the new equipment favouring
loadouts that suit their agenda (like dpm farming or spotting for 3
moe) etc. Hope this helps.
dasdon, on 10 August 2020 - 10:03 AM, said: The game companies that survive are the ones that are also
not afraid to monetise effectively to stay alive. heres the rub tho you havent been effective and its plainly showing now. this game is in the terminal decline stage now. by that i mean theres no new players to replace the old and the bored so what do we get a grubby money grabbing company that tries to bend its loyal supporters over a barrel to extort every last penny, and for what? wargaming has been laughing all the way to the bank selling us crap pixel tanks for the price of a real game and we keep falling for it.
mind now one day when wargaming is a stain on your shoe your going to realise crap i gave them 1000s and i have nothing to show for it.well maybe a teashirt at best saying i got scammed by a greedy company once.
eekeeboo: Whil you say haven't been effective, not many F2P games make it 5
years, let alone 10, let alone the size of tanks and publishing
other titles. You say not effective, but by what standard, there's
plenty of figures and numbers that say otherwise. I don't know of a
single game ever, that after 10 years has not seen decline, if you
have any knowledge of game development and life cycle you will know
that this is natural and things like rejuvenation and targetting
your game for different segments and ensuring you're able to cater
to new audiences easier by checking the main pain points for people
who install and play less than 10 games (for instance). Loyal
supporters are not always supporters, supporters are people who are
invested in your game both in time but money. For many people their
invest time and expect everything in return without spending a
penny. You can cater your game to them, but you should not tailor
your game to them, just like any business. While you say selling
"crap pixel tanks" that is your judgement on lack of value, many
people I know see it as spending money on time they would have
otherwise spent on models, or other hobies and past time. And your
final statement gives a solid insight into your mindset, I wonder
if you have any large corporate experience?
geekuma, on 10 August 2020 - 10:19 AM, said: Thank you, eekeeboo. I always appreciate it, when I get
feedback from staff or community members :-) I am not
disagreeing with the fact, that every business needs to make money.
I am disagreeing with the business decisions, which have
unfortunately destroyed the reputation of Equipment 2.0. After
these few days of playing I have really gotten into liking the new
equipment to play with. They really add new and usable options to
the game. Because it could have been made in a more
player-friendly way. I have suggested the alternative approach:
replace all the equipment on players' tanks with the best
equivalent and give players the remaining difference in credits
back as credits. That would have helped with the acceptance of the
change and the credits on the saldo would have encouraged more
active in-game economy. It's just like in the real life: when
governments give tax-payers tax returns, tax-payers are going to
feed that money back into the economy and boost it.
Making Binoculars and Camouflage net fixed equipment, and therefore
forcing users make more purchases has also caused a lot of bad
blood in the player base. There has been nothing wrong with this
solution for 10 years, so why change it now? Creating different
classes of Binoculars and Camouflage nets (like now has been done)
was not forcing to change them into fixed equipment at the same
time. And lastly, the measly number of 30 Demount kits
in return to player... That literally feels like an insult to all
of us older players with a lot (more than 10) tanks. We have spent
a lot of money in the game over the years, and this "gesture" just
makes us feel very unappreciated. It's almost like Donald Trump's
recent phone call to billionaire and major Republican supporter
Sheldon Adelson, where he was complaining not receiving enough
support (he has been donating at least $100m to Trump's
re-election campaign). While it's a nice idea to help new players
to get into the game, the execution of this idea has slapped the
oldest and most loyal players straight onto their faces.
Edit: As a business analyst myself I know there has been a
lot of Excel woodoo and shiny PowerPoint slides being tossed around
before making those business decisions. And to me it seems that
whoever made the decision, just simply doesn't understand the
player base. It does not help a bit, that on paper no player is
losing any credits (because of the replacing gear and the resale
value of them). My suggestion above would have also been performed
with the exact same number of in-game credits, but it would have
boosted the in-game economy instead of stagnating it and causing
rejectful feelings in the most loyal player base. It is still not
too late to change this. There is a ton of equipment still waiting
to be demounted in the next patch, there is still time to withdraw
the bad decisions, there is still time to say sorry and try again
with a better attitude towards players. I can only hope, that
someone in the management with a big enough tie will listen to this
and show some common sense. Making players like the game will
make them pay for it. Trying to force players to pay for the game
will make them disappear. Simple as that. I want to
repeat again, that I am not blaming the WG foot soldiers, like
developers, coders, testers, customer support or community members
for any of this. You guys have the unpleasant job of taking the
heat from the player base and trying to explain things the best way
to angry players. Sterkte, as the Dutchies say.
gl&hf, geekuma Edit: Corrected some English and
added one more paragraph. eekeeboo: The problem with "best equivelant" is that they are not best for
everyone, some people really do want other items. Sorry for jumping
to the point but I am past the time I should stop and am just
scouting the forums and replying in off time right now. I hope
you're still having fun with the equipment. While you see no
problem with the camo net and bino issue for 10 years, I can assure
you if there was actually no issue, then it wouldn't have been
touched. Quite seriously if there was nothing wrong with equipment
and it was perfect. We would not have spent the time, energy and
resources changing it for as long as we have
And for the 30 demount kits, this
is as I mentioned (not sure if here) there's a number you have to
go with on averages, at which point it's never ending and you draw
a line somewhere or you just make them pointless. People can get
them easily and for free if they so choose. And while I
appreciate your view point, I'm sure you can appreciate with your
industry knowledge, that sometimes decisions have to be made that
can aggrivate some parts of the players, risking the benefit to
many others. For instance, there's a system right now if you look
carefully into the exchange where some and many players make
positive net gain on credits (which i'm not going to share for
obvious reasons), while some will lose out, they are by far no
where near the majority
Again I wish you
continued fun in the game and I will slack on the forums and spend
my time on other places these days due to more responsibilities
elsewhere
BRONSON1972, on 10 August 2020 - 10:32 AM, said: Well you just proved how out of touch you are with the core of your
players, the ones who played this game a lot, for many years and
were happy to spend money on it, you have taken a big dump on all
of us, not one of my clan is happy with the changes so that's 99%
unhappy (allowing 1% for those absent or lying) , when your new
players try the game, get bored, don't spend a penny on it and
leave, maybe then you will realise what a mistake you made, I just
hope I am around to see it.eekeeboo: Me in particular because so far nearly ever point of feedback I've
seen I already predicted months ago
But if you mean overall, it's not
being out of touch but making the decisions to help the game
survive longer. Can you please tell me exactly what and how many of
your clan don't like? Because 99% is interest statistic for a
number of the average clan and the amount they will dislike on
equipment.
grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 10:39 AM, said: Eek Thank you for taking the time to engage with us. It is
appreciated. I generally agree with a lot of what you are
saying: new content is good and you cannot please
everyone. I have been having exactly the same conversations
with my customers for a decade. However, what WG appear to
be missing is that not all change is good, and some change
causes unexpected pain. All we want is for that pain to be
taken away and the destructive changes removed. You keep
saying demounting for gold is not a problem because we now get free
demount kits (whilst charging a million or more for
them You say you want to move in the direction of the majority. Again, a good idea. Yet every time you move towards the majority, the number of players reduces. Maybe your methods for feedback are failing to identify negative factors? For example, at the weekend, I was surveyed (would I recommend the game?). I gave a negative answer and the survey closed. As an individual who has conducted customer surveys, this was surprising. The survey provided no useful feedback for WG. It would have been more valuable if it then asked why my response was negative. This makes me wonder if your feedback methods skew results so they favour positives and ignore negatives.
You know my other gripes and they are not particularly negative towards Equip 2.0 (as we English say, c’est la vie) but are around unfair loss , how the changes work against the Equip 2.0 aims, and how you are trying to achieve uniformity and compliance (something that discourages fun). I will finish by highlighting one of your quotes (and please do not see this as cherry picking, but a practical example). And while you can have fun playing a tanke the way it's not supposed to be played, you should only do this when you know HOW, a player with less than 1k games who doesn't know spotting, camo or armout mechanics yolog scouting on Prok is going to rage more than a person who knows how it should be done. There is a point when you can get away with it, for yourself after that many battles you know how it should be done, many do not. I was that player. I had hundreds of BT7 games when I started playing WoT, whizzing around Prok trying to scout and failing hard (we did not have the “last seen here” markers and viewrange drawn on the minimap). I did not rage, I did not complain, I was not discouraged. I leant not to cross the centre line until 8 enemy had died, at which point I could devastate the rest Failures are more useful than successes.
eekeeboo: Hello, Any time, I know my answers won't always be
popular and I can seem harsh at times, but that's my blunt
Yorkshire way and that I'm usually here in rushed moments while
neglecting other parts of my work (or on off time like now). And
you are very right about not all change is good, but sometimes
necessary non-the-less, especially in business. And
while it seems like "rationing" the average player is not likely to
need the amount of demount kits made readily available, 30 may seem
low, but I can speak from personal experience having bought as many
as I could for credits, I've used 2 since the changes. That's how
little I've changed my set-ups since the update. And no matter how
many you give, it's never enough until it's too much, and that's
where you have to draw the line where you keep things reasonable
and don't destroy the economy of them and their value, this has
been done in the past for some items and you need to avoid
it. Can you specify the survey, we've given a few at the
moment and feedback is more than just surveys. We use those,
platforms and CM feedback, the responsible people will spend time
in streams and blogs and will look at the opinions from people then
there's a large process of putting it all together and decisions
are then made on what to do and if anything does in fact need
doing. Negative answers are checked and noted, but for the most
part there's even more checking into that feedback on... is this
player a supporter or someone who is just giving negative feedback
until they get free stuff? etc And I very much see your point
with your example, I too was one of those people, but the amount of
people like us who stuck around during the "hardcore" days are not
as plentiful. The game environment and ecosystem has changed since
those days. Players expect different things from days gone by and
require a difference experience. If you see the main reason for
most of your new players leaving is X Y and Z, then you should act
on those while natural player churn continuesm, trying to bring in
new blood before you run out of your existing player base, the
staple of any game life cycle
vanderkat, on 10 August 2020 - 10:41 AM, said: Nit-picking over the accuracy of fractions of a percentage
does not negate the point of the comment, though.eekeeboo: It is important in that it highlights the difference between "all
99 people" vs "all 20/25" people. And did all 25 speak to you, did
they all say the same, have all 25 logged in, or is that more
like... 9? Of those 9 have they all said the exact same thing? Or
did they have their own opinions and points? This is the difference
in feedback, and why it's important to be specific in what you
say.
AngryObnoxiousOtter, on 10 August 2020 - 10:41 AM, said: The vast Majority in my clan are also extremely unhappy. The map
and ping changes are the biggest gripe and highlights how
detached the devs are. There are changes that no one needed or
asked for, ever!!!! Golden rule If it's not broken DO
NOT FIX ITeekeeboo: Map changes are a bit different as they're mostly done on stats and
battle data than requests. The communication system I'm sure no one
in your clan asked for, but I can tell you for a fact many people
have for a long time asked for changes in the ping system ability
to ask for help, asking for the mini map to be easier to read, more
usable in battle, make it more prominant for new players and so on
and so forth. You've said yourself during streams, many people
don't use mini map, now they're quite possibly more inclined to do
so.
grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 10:58 AM, said: Hey, if WG can claim a 10% discount is “slashing prices” and having to grind to Tier X is “making it easier to earn bonds”, then I think the 99% is a perfectly acceptable calculation using WG’s standards as the benchmark.
eekeeboo: You can Slash the price on 1 target, or you slash by hitting
multiple targets. Just a note to remember.
BRONSON1972, on 10 August 2020 - 11:00 AM, said: 85% of comments on here disagree with you I think, sorry if
I might be a % or two out.eekeeboo: Out of those 85% how many are the same people?
geekuma, on 10 August 2020 - 11:10 AM, said: A statistical fact: 92,7% of people who use percentages to
back their claims up, pull that number out of their hat. Or a sock.
Or a belly bag. Whatever people like to wear and pull things out
from. :-P gl&hf, geekuma eekeeboo: 60% of the time it works every
time!
Subject: 10th Anniversary Act V Postponed
Link on message: #18020740
Sesrex, on 12 August 2020 - 05:03 PM, said: Actually Equipment 2.0 was trash and you know it. Let's not
forget Communication 2.0 and the map nerfs.
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Sesrex, on 12 August 2020 - 05:03 PM, said: Actually Equipment 2.0 was trash and you know it. Let's not
forget Communication 2.0 and the map nerfs. eekeeboo: Communication 2.0 is not perfect but has been majoritively well
received, 2 main complaints that are already in consideration for
change are the sounds and the limitations in some game modes. Map
nerfs? I believe you mean rebalance. And while you believe it is
"trash", again it doesn't make it true for all, right above you are
2 people saying they like it.
Subject: 10th Anniversary Act V Postponed
Link on message: #18020736
Erwin_Von_Braun, on 12 August 2020 - 04:57 PM, said: I like Equipment 2.0, I like the idea behind it, I like the various
options that are available to me - however, the implementation was
a farce. So, I'll ask you again then, seeing as you ignored my
question in the dedicated thread. Why should I have to spend my
resources to facilitate a change they you (WG) have made?
evilchaosmonkey, on 12 August 2020 - 04:57 PM, said: Boots have a two for one on hearing aids, suggest WG rush
out and buy some. It doesn't take a year of data collection
to know the huge mistakes you've made and then singularly fail to
act on them. Name a major decision that was corrected in say 3
months? I challenge you. edit:... that made it on to
live.... (because you'll just name rubicon).
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Erwin_Von_Braun, on 12 August 2020 - 04:57 PM, said: I like Equipment 2.0, I like the idea behind it, I like the various
options that are available to me - however, the implementation was
a farce. So, I'll ask you again then, seeing as you ignored my
question in the dedicated thread. Why should I have to spend my
resources to facilitate a change they you (WG) have made?
eekeeboo: You don't "have" to, it's a choice, you can very well keep
everything the same if you so choose. But any game changes, any
online game changes, tanks was one of those unique instances that
large balance changes did not require large reworks and investments
from players. It is rare it happens, and when it does, it's not a
bad thing. Many people demand new content, which has not been
provided (I know it's re-worked but still new) then there are many
who get to experience playing the game more now. As a live service
you should know that any time the game could literally turn upside
down, but it doesn't to try to keep people playing. You always have
a choice.
evilchaosmonkey, on 12 August 2020 - 04:57 PM, said: Boots have a two for one on hearing aids, suggest WG rush
out and buy some. It doesn't take a year of data collection
to know the huge mistakes you've made and then singularly fail to
act on them. Name a major decision that was corrected in say 3
months? I challenge you. edit:... that made it on to
live.... (because you'll just name rubicon).eekeeboo: Luckily my ability to read is not determined by my ability to
listen, but thank you for your promotional activities and sharing
your knowledge of current events. And it does require data
collection if your playerbase is as big as Tanks and not everything
is a mistake just because an individual or less than 1% of your
playerbase say so. Major decision corrected? You mean
new balance back to the drawing board? Maybe the attempts to
balance the EBR? Or perhaps the giving people free premium time
during time of crisis and economic troubles and giving discounts on
premium tanks? Perhaps giving free stuff during anniversary events
and keeping as much content as possible for people to play when
many had a lot of spare time. Perhaps the Tankfest online planned
and carried out in weeks after last minute cancellation? Maybe the
donations to the tank museum.... Challenge complete and that's what
I'm willing to type out in less than 2 minutes.
Subject: 10 Days With Tanks = 10 Days With Free Premium
Link on message: #18020718
Erwin_Von_Braun, on 12 August 2020 - 04:47 PM, said: Ahh, WG staff are still here then? Would you care to respond to the
legitimate questions being asked in the Equipment 2.0 thread?
Hammerhead20, on 12 August 2020 - 04:50 PM, said: They still here just to remove posts which are against this 2.0
equipment fiasko... This is the "best" what they can
do...
claude_vs, on 12 August 2020 - 04:56 PM, said: my english ist not very good but tanks for this game its not
better but (make more map not corridor map nerf
ebr ), make campaign more easy maybe cross platform pc / console
and a good training for the new player
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Erwin_Von_Braun, on 12 August 2020 - 04:47 PM, said: Ahh, WG staff are still here then? Would you care to respond to the
legitimate questions being asked in the Equipment 2.0 thread?
eekeeboo: I hope you appreciate I don't normally come to the forums these
days let alone at this time of night (I am far too busy with other
platforms these days and I already answered stuff in other
threads).
Hammerhead20, on 12 August 2020 - 04:50 PM, said: They still here just to remove posts which are against this 2.0
equipment fiasko... This is the "best" what they can
do... eekeeboo: Actually I'm here to check in for the feedback and see the
interesting contrast. I honestly expected better of you from your
recent posts hammerhead. 16:58 Added after 0 minute
claude_vs, on 12 August 2020 - 04:56 PM, said: my english ist not very good but tanks for this game its not
better but (make more map not corridor map nerf
ebr ), make campaign more easy maybe cross platform pc / console
and a good training for the new player eekeeboo: Cross platform is not technically possible with a game this old and
the way the game has been established, even newer games have
difficulties and they don't have the engine, balance and player
base issues WoT has
- Feel free to give this feedback
in relevant threads.
Subject: 10th Anniversary Act V Postponed
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Erwin_Von_Braun, on 12 August 2020 - 04:50 PM, said: I'm sorry ekee, but his point is valid - WG have a reputation
that precedes them when it comes to being open & honest with their
player-base. None of us have to look for failure as it is staring
us right in the face with Equipment 2.0 - the fact that none of
your staff even acknowledges that there is a problem is frankly
laughable.
evilchaosmonkey, on 12 August 2020 - 04:51 PM, said: Patronising drivel.
StahanoW, on 12 August 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:
I already re-equipped my whole garage (200+ tanks), and I only spent extra 1kk credits, while I still had 20+ Demount Kits from the 30. :| I was able to send some High-Tier equipment to the depo for free (40+ optics, 40+ GLD, 40+ Binos, etc), sold them, get some profit back. I bought these stuff long time ago, and I doesn't really need to store them for years, so yeah.
Nothing really changed to be honest, I used some of the new equipments on some of my tanks, but generally I sticked with my original setups, just changed their positions.
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Erwin_Von_Braun, on 12 August 2020 - 04:50 PM, said: I'm sorry ekee, but his point is valid - WG have a reputation
that precedes them when it comes to being open & honest with their
player-base. None of us have to look for failure as it is staring
us right in the face with Equipment 2.0 - the fact that none of
your staff even acknowledges that there is a problem is frankly
laughable. eekeeboo: No need to apologise, but my point still stands. A reputation is
easy to destroy and tarnish that's true, but it's even easier if
you're going to constantly look for failiure and say "See" when it
happens. Like i've said, while there are some and possibly many
here who do not like Equipment 2.0 I can assure you that's not the
case for all people and there are a great many who like it. And
that's because again, some people don't "want" to trust that we see
positive feedback, because they choose not, or cannot see it for
themselves, ignoring those comments on the forums or calling these
posts shills and sellout etc. There is so much to gain from
equipment 2.0 and the benefits it gives to people like new players,
but many people only care about themself and what it benefits them,
and only what is shown right in their face. 16:55 Added after
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evilchaosmonkey, on 12 August 2020 - 04:51 PM, said: Patronising drivel.eekeeboo: It's a very polite way of replying the the statements made.
StahanoW, on 12 August 2020 - 04:52 PM, said: I already re-equipped my whole garage (200+ tanks), and I only spent extra 1kk credits, while I still had 20+ Demount Kits from the 30. :| I was able to send some High-Tier equipment to the depo for free (40+ optics, 40+ GLD, 40+ Binos, etc), sold them, get some profit back. I bought these stuff long time ago, and I doesn't really need to store them for years, so yeah.
Nothing really changed to be honest, I used some of the new equipments on some of my tanks, but generally I sticked with my original setups, just changed their positions.
eekeeboo: Quoting this reply, for you evil, people who take the time to
actually look into the changes more see that if you're smart and
actually take the time to look, there's a lot of people who can
make credits.
Subject: 10th Anniversary Act V Postponed
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evilchaosmonkey, on 12 August 2020 - 04:45 PM, said: And we're supposed to take WG seriously after your rant?
As for the last part. Pull the other one, it's got
bells on it. The one thing WG never do is listen, the people that
form it are too egotistical to do that.
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evilchaosmonkey, on 12 August 2020 - 04:45 PM, said: And we're supposed to take WG seriously after your rant?
As for the last part. Pull the other one, it's got
bells on it. The one thing WG never do is listen, the people that
form it are too egotistical to do that. eekeeboo: There is a difference to listening, and acting on what you hear.
This is a fundamental difference many people forget. You listen to
as many people as you can, you then decide on the best interest for
all and what can be done with causing the least harm to your own
interests and that of the people in your service. IE you act in the
best interest of your company and the customers you serve. You do
not act in a knee jerk reaction to tones used in certain parts of
the community that are not only heavily biased in their opinion but
also can be easily biased in reporting. That's why data is
important.
Subject: 10th Anniversary Act V Postponed
Link on message: #18020690
Flint_74, on 12 August 2020 - 04:39 PM, said: What, you mean like the poorly implemented farce that was
Equipment 2.0? That's gone really well so far hasn't it... for WG
at least, though not so much for all those in the player base that
got ripped off YET AGAIN because WG just couldn't help themselves
and so they deliberately converted almost all installed equipment
on vehicles of Tier 7 and below into class 1 kit that ONLY works on
tier 8+ vehicles, thereby forcing players to either have to
uninstall and repurchase expensive equipment or effectively not be
able to use their under-equipped vehicles in-game anymore.
And while we're going there, should we then look back and go
through all of the other PR disasters WG have accidentally or
deliberately inflicted upon the playerbase in recent years, mostly
in the name of fleecing the community out of more and more
cash/gold/bonds/coins/equipment/whatever by whatever underhanded
tactics the company has dreamt up, or would that public exploration
be too painful, time-consuming, and/or administratively
inconvenient? As it is, it seems to me, and, judging by the
strength of the repeated complaints being made here on this forum,
apparently to quite a considerable portion of the increasingly more
vocal part of this community, that even when the right people with
the right skills are in the right location and have the right
access to the right data and information that things STILL don't
always work out for the best within WoT; and so given this fact,
maybe, just maybe, WG need to seriously reevaluate their business
strategies and strongly consider alternate options, because their
current methods are routinely leaving them looking increasingly
disorganised, underprepared, and unprofessional in almost any
situation, let alone in response to something as serious as the
(intermittent) loss of internet connectivity within the country in
which one of their key offices is located.
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Flint_74, on 12 August 2020 - 04:39 PM, said: What, you mean like the poorly implemented farce that was
Equipment 2.0? That's gone really well so far hasn't it... for WG
at least, though not so much for all those in the player base that
got ripped off YET AGAIN because WG just couldn't help themselves
and so they deliberately converted almost all installed equipment
on vehicles of Tier 7 and below into class 1 kit that ONLY works on
tier 8+ vehicles, thereby forcing players to either have to
uninstall and repurchase expensive equipment or effectively not be
able to use their under-equipped vehicles in-game anymore.
And while we're going there, should we then look back and go
through all of the other PR disasters WG have accidentally or
deliberately inflicted upon the playerbase in recent years, mostly
in the name of fleecing the community out of more and more
cash/gold/bonds/coins/equipment/whatever by whatever underhanded
tactics the company has dreamt up, or would that public exploration
be too painful, time-consuming, and/or administratively
inconvenient? As it is, it seems to me, and, judging by the
strength of the repeated complaints being made here on this forum,
apparently to quite a considerable portion of the increasingly more
vocal part of this community, that even when the right people with
the right skills are in the right location and have the right
access to the right data and information that things STILL don't
always work out for the best within WoT; and so given this fact,
maybe, just maybe, WG need to seriously reevaluate their business
strategies and strongly consider alternate options, because their
current methods are routinely leaving them looking increasingly
disorganised, underprepared, and unprofessional in almost any
situation, let alone in response to something as serious as the
(intermittent) loss of internet connectivity within the country in
which one of their key offices is located.eekeeboo: I would like to point out A) In your opinion - equipment 2.0, I
know of many people who are of the opposite opinion, many say "It
would be nice if..." of course they do, it's not that they hate it,
the happiest person in the world is going to say "It'd be nice if
you can give this extra free stuff..." Because it would indeed....
be nice, you don't get what you don't ask for. If you
took the time to look into the changes, the update and even had the
patience to further review the changes you would notice something
peculiar in your statement, even false. Simply put, some people
will indeed lose out, for the most part if you actually look at the
changes, many people will gain, it's down to the person. And losing
credits you can earn for free..... You either change the game and
try to keep it fresh and alive, or you keep it the same forever
because people don't like change and let it
nectrotise. I would appreciate you to actually go
through these events you call as "disaster PR events", please feel
free to provide some, what you state as the world ending, game
destroying, community violating events are simply monetisation
elements you can join in, or you can leave. The results speak for
themselves though in terms of monetisation and where World of Tanks
ranks for a game its size. The forums do not represent
the entire playerbase, they represent a part of. And I'm reading
the forums and not all of them say the same, don't get me wrong,
there are a great many saying similar things, but there's also an
immense amount of "me and all my co-aggrieved" - forming less than
100 players at best, all agree (which there hasn't been) that this
is the wrost thing ever and all tens and millions of players who
played recently all say the same thing (which they
haven't). I would like to point out your claims of lack
of preparation fall short when you look towards 2 fully remote
tournament streams for the first time in the history of WG across 7
countries, we ran and orchestrated the largest British Musuem
online event there has EVER been (Tankfest Online), we released
Twitch Drops for the first time and are planning gamescom online,
all the while remote working and not once dropping a piece of
content until very recently despite the chaos going on in the world
since Christmas. If you took even a small amount of time to
consider the implications of what's going on right now, you'd see
how naive and ignorant your last statement is, this may seem overly
harsh, but I am flabbergasted at your lack of understanding of what
is happening in certain parts of the world right now.
Subject: 10th Anniversary Act V Postponed
Link on message: #18020666
frange, on 12 August 2020 - 04:06 PM, said: Sure sure. But the thing is - on the next whatever event
like Steel Hunter - and then Halloween 2020 - and then Christmas -
is there even an idea for me to be craving for that? With
the statistic of all the events that have been the last years
constantly getting bugged, postponed or canceled in the very last
minute like so many others? Or it is just to pepare for
another disaster making me dissapointed loggin in the first
day of the event? The thing is - if you want people to trust
you - you have to be trustworthy. And with all these broken,
bugged, postponed or even in the very last minute canceled events -
it is pretty d*mn hard to trust what you promise. Once is
bad luck. Twice maybe. But third, fourth, fifth,
sixth and so on.... Then you just cant call it bad luck or
accident anymore. it is something else. Sheer incompetence -
maybe?
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frange, on 12 August 2020 - 04:06 PM, said: Sure sure. But the thing is - on the next whatever event
like Steel Hunter - and then Halloween 2020 - and then Christmas -
is there even an idea for me to be craving for that? With
the statistic of all the events that have been the last years
constantly getting bugged, postponed or canceled in the very last
minute like so many others? Or it is just to pepare for
another disaster making me dissapointed loggin in the first
day of the event? The thing is - if you want people to trust
you - you have to be trustworthy. And with all these broken,
bugged, postponed or even in the very last minute canceled events -
it is pretty d*mn hard to trust what you promise. Once is
bad luck. Twice maybe. But third, fourth, fifth,
sixth and so on.... Then you just cant call it bad luck or
accident anymore. it is something else. Sheer incompetence -
maybe?eekeeboo: Some people are just untrusting because they are not secure enough
in their own processes or understanding towards the ever changing
world around them. I have played all these events and modes and
honestly, I can count on one hand the number that were bugged vs
the number that were released. You are putting a lot of bias on a
very small sample size over the course of years (not even in a
short time frame) and then applying this to everything in the game
ever. Honestly put, if you are always going to look for a failiure,
eventually you will find one.
Subject: 10 Days With Tanks = 10 Days With Free Premium
Link on message: #18020655
MaximusFantasius, on 12 August 2020 - 03:36 PM, said: Well...knowing WG its probably always the opposite...sooooo we
should be expecting that at the end of the month
Thanks for the free
stuff 
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MaximusFantasius, on 12 August 2020 - 03:36 PM, said: Well...knowing WG its probably always the opposite...sooooo we
should be expecting that at the end of the month eekeeboo: You're most welcome and because you said the opposite... now it's
never, I hope you're happy... you jinxed it

Subject: Tanklarla 10 Gün = Bedava 10 Gün Premium
Link on message: #18020597
Bagora, on 12 August 2020 - 03:38 PM, said: eskiden günde 10 altın kazanma görevleri oluyodu maratonlar
nadir oluyordu, artık altın kazanma olayını kaldırdılar direk
altınla alınacak şeylerin kat kat fazlasını dağıtır oldular ,
etkinlik olarak eski wota göre çok daha iyi durumda ama eskiden
oyunlar daha bi güzeldi be etkinlik olmadan kuru kuru oynadıgımız
günleri özlüyorum
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Bagora, on 12 August 2020 - 03:38 PM, said: eskiden günde 10 altın kazanma görevleri oluyodu maratonlar
nadir oluyordu, artık altın kazanma olayını kaldırdılar direk
altınla alınacak şeylerin kat kat fazlasını dağıtır oldular ,
etkinlik olarak eski wota göre çok daha iyi durumda ama eskiden
oyunlar daha bi güzeldi be etkinlik olmadan kuru kuru oynadıgımız
günleri özlüyorum vuque: Etkinlikler bize fazla geldi, kaldırın mı diyorsun şimdi? 
Subject: Neu-/Semineueinsteigerfragen? Die Com hilft.
Link on message: #18020584
stereoType64, on 12 August 2020 - 03:04 PM, said: Meinste auf dem Excelsior wäre das was? Also
Ansetzer, Lüftung, Drehmechanismus?
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stereoType64, on 12 August 2020 - 03:04 PM, said: Meinste auf dem Excelsior wäre das was? Also
Ansetzer, Lüftung, Drehmechanismus?Zapfhan: Ansetzer und Lüftung sind ja eh "universell" der
Drehmechanismus erlaubt etwas bessere Snapshots und macht es
einfacher die gut gepanzerte Front zum jeweiligen Gegner zu
drehen. Alternativ ist auch eine Optik nicht verkehrt.
Die Frage ist hierbei halt, ob denn ein neuer Spieler auch wirklich
den Nutzen davon hat.
Subject: 10th Anniversary Act V Postponed
Link on message: #18020580
frange, on 12 August 2020 - 05:10 PM, said: Please tell me how successful the Halloween Event 2019
was and how happy people here were about it - and how happy people
are here about Equipment 2.0 and upcoming Crew Changes.
Can you hear the tears of joy on the forum about those?
Desyatnik_Pansy, on 12 August 2020 - 05:33 PM, said: As I understand: -Halloween event was eventually cancelled
as the scope of it meant it ended up far exceeding the planned
release date and, coupled with issues with the mode, meant it was
better to simply cancel the event than wait an extra month or so to
put it out well beyond Halloween -CW Dawn of Industry was delayed
due to DDoS Attacks. WG Either delayed the event until it
stabilised or released it while undergoing connection issues, they
chose the lesser of two evils -Anniversary Act V Is delayed for a
whopping 5 Days (as we are apparently getting it on the
17th now) due to a political situation in Belarus Is
waiting almost a week really that hard? Is the situation of other
people in the world really not that important to you over an event
in a video game?
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frange, on 12 August 2020 - 05:10 PM, said: Please tell me how successful the Halloween Event 2019
was and how happy people here were about it - and how happy people
are here about Equipment 2.0 and upcoming Crew Changes.
Can you hear the tears of joy on the forum about those?Gepard_PH: We heard each and every player who was disappointed about
Halloween, and our team was disappointed too that we couldn't
deliver it on time. But my point is, it's not a good habit to
express YOUR opinion starting with "we" or "everyone" as if you
just couldn't say "I". I don't know, it's even less typing! No
one is taking any of those "we" and "everyone" seriously. We all
know it's just one person speaking no matter how big and important
you want to make your opinion seem to be. So just be honest and
straightforward next time, say "I don't like it" or "I am sick of
hearing excuses" and you will be heard.
Speaking of which, these are not excuses, it's how things are. You deserve an explanation, it's not to make you happy because it's hard to be exactly delighted when something you were looking forward to was postponed or canceled. But at least you can understand why it happened.
Speaking of which, these are not excuses, it's how things are. You deserve an explanation, it's not to make you happy because it's hard to be exactly delighted when something you were looking forward to was postponed or canceled. But at least you can understand why it happened.
Desyatnik_Pansy, on 12 August 2020 - 05:33 PM, said: As I understand: -Halloween event was eventually cancelled
as the scope of it meant it ended up far exceeding the planned
release date and, coupled with issues with the mode, meant it was
better to simply cancel the event than wait an extra month or so to
put it out well beyond Halloween -CW Dawn of Industry was delayed
due to DDoS Attacks. WG Either delayed the event until it
stabilised or released it while undergoing connection issues, they
chose the lesser of two evils -Anniversary Act V Is delayed for a
whopping 5 Days (as we are apparently getting it on the
17th now) due to a political situation in Belarus Is
waiting almost a week really that hard? Is the situation of other
people in the world really not that important to you over an event
in a video game?Gepard_PH: Yes, that's exactly what happened with Halloween and CW event.
I hope the situation is stable enough and we can have Act V on Monday.
I hope the situation is stable enough and we can have Act V on Monday.
Subject: Questions / réponses N°5 (fin Juin)
Link on message: #18020576
Silmuss, on 12 August 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:
Je confirme j'ai moi aussi les mêmes filtres qu'avant la mise à jour
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Silmuss, on 12 August 2020 - 01:47 PM, said: Je confirme j'ai moi aussi les mêmes filtres qu'avant la mise à jour
Actinid: Je viens de vérifier moi aussi. Je suis quasiment sûr que ce
n'était pas un mod. Je me renseigne et je vous tiens au
courant. PS: la Q/A est en cours de préparation =).
Subject: 10th anniversary
Link on message: #18020552
Shell2Kill, on 11 August 2020 - 06:38 AM, said:
Absolutely, but they say that they won't be able to post updates about the upcoming act. Yet, they were able to add a tank offer this morning. Just confusing.
Shell2Kill, on 12 August 2020 - 03:26 PM, said: Sunday, you sure? I thought I read on WoT express that it'll be on
Monday the 17th.
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Shell2Kill, on 11 August 2020 - 06:38 AM, said: Absolutely, but they say that they won't be able to post updates about the upcoming act. Yet, they were able to add a tank offer this morning. Just confusing.
Dwigt: The devs in Minsk handling the anniversary operations had internet
issues like it was described in the article. The tank offer are
regional offers that are mainly handled and scheduled from the
regional office in Paris.
Shell2Kill, on 12 August 2020 - 03:26 PM, said: Sunday, you sure? I thought I read on WoT express that it'll be on
Monday the 17th.Dwigt: The in game pop up says it's coming on the 16th but I guess in the
end it will depend on the situation in Minsk.
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