Equipment 2.0 Is Here!

ErCarogna, on 10 August 2020 - 02:41 PM, said: Dear Eekeeboo.
Thanks for answering me.
I didn't quite understand your answer, but I'll try to use your metaphor.
You see the spoon, but not the moon of my speech.
As I said the problem is not free or paid things.
The problem is the number one rule of games, whether they are free or paid.
Don't touch the progress of the players.
Every time I sit at the table of WG Restaurant, I don't know what I find to eat, I don't know how to eat it because you give me a fork (I want to broaden your metaphor ... sorry) to eat the broth. I pay at the beginning of the meal, and in the end I didn't eat what I ordered.
All this bring in new hungry customers?
And will you be able to enlarge your restaurant?
I don't believe.
I want to tell you something ... as you know I'm an old man and old people always have something to say.
When people start playing a video game, Game developers, UI and UX designers have to facilitate something called, "emotional peak", which happens in the very first moments of the game ... it's like when you fall in love.
Do you really believe that tiers 1/2/3 with the new system ... will fall in love with this game ?? having less equipment and fewer credits? with an MM that will punish them compared to higher tiers who have more and better equipment?
WG you don't have to force me to spend the money, you have to make me fall in love with your kitchen and your recipes, clear and at the right price. Thanks again for your time.


HansiVonHinten, on 10 August 2020 - 02:54 PM, said: You could also say: Wargaming/I don't give a flying F... about veteran players.
Is it because the hundreds of euroes ain't enough or do you think we are milked dry?

And your response regarding camo/bino/tools are not free to demount, well I have no words. You actually want to force players to use specific equipment or what?    But keep digging Wargamings grave:
 


grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 03:14 PM, said: Just think how much hassle, forum hijacking, bad feeling, poor PR, firefightIng, wallet closing etc. that WG could have avoided if they had just demounted and refunded equipment right from the start.   Just like we suggested the moment they announced the Equip 2.0 sandbox...   What is the number one discussion in August?  The tenth anniversary of a great game?  Or the greedy milking, tone-deaf, stubborn, idiotic money grasping company with a dying game.   How come WG’s PR department never saw this coming? 


geekuma, on 10 August 2020 - 04:13 PM, said:   I think they didn't have much of a word in this. Or they have been hypnotized by spinning Excel sheets and well-animated PowerPoint presentations to believe that this change was something players actually wanted.    Thinking about my own past experience with unpopular software updates, I would put my money on someone with an ugly tie and high level PowerPoint sorcery skills who made the decision without and refused to listen to the WG foot soldiers (devs, coders, testers, designers, community members, etc.). And to show solidarity towards the company (not to get fired) these people have to also defend the views of this tie wearing marketing creature (I try to be funny here), despite their own personal or professional opinion on the matter.    It's a horrible feeling when you have to defend your manager's questionable decisions, trying to make them sound nice. I've been there, too. Just have to bite my tongue and save my comments for the next internal discussion round. And if we players can give them some well reasoned opinions, we will make their job so much easier. I wish some of the fellow commanders in this forum would be a bit more respectful with their feedback (even when I can fully understand their frustration). WG people reading these forums are not the ones who make the big business decisions.    It's a good question, that who did that business decision. And would that person/those persons be able to re-evaluate this whole patch idea based on players' feedback, and maybe even come up with a more player-friendly and less sucking-players-wallet-empty approach.    gl&hf, geekuma 


Erwin_Von_Braun, on 10 August 2020 - 04:54 PM, said: Ok, here's the thing - this^ right here is the thing that I, and a good many others have a problem with. Why should I spend MY resources to facilitate a change that YOU are making?   For the record, I'm generally in agreement with the majority of Equipment 2.0 - but the implementation was a farce.    I've had WoT as a permanent fixture of my SSD since I started playing - no more - I will not participate in a game run by people that treat their paying customers with such contempt.  


yodelihiti, on 10 August 2020 - 06:17 PM, said: To the walls of text from Eekeboo:   Accept you are wrong. 1/3rd of your players ran away and thus their income.    


Smegger213, on 10 August 2020 - 10:12 PM, said: Well Eekaboo, you have the cheek to tell me to change my tone.   Why don't you analyse why I have the tone that I have?   I have played this game avidly since August 2012. That's 8 years of hard toil. I have gone through thick and thin with Wargaming over the years. I have spent a small fortune on premium tanks and premium time, loot boxes etc. 84 premiums or there abouts. Despite the garbage matchmaker, and other changes to the game such as OP premiums, corridor maps, etc etc. I have stuck with the game time and time again.   But I have to draw the line with patch 1.10. I and MANY others are furious with the direction Wargaming are taking this game in. Equipment 2.0 is an utter disaster. Nobody asked for it, nobody wants it. Some players have questioned me, saying that some players like it. Well, I have seen very few that do like it commenting on the forums in support of equipment 2.0. In fact the majority that are commenting on the forums HATE this patch.   Removal of free movement of Binos etc, is a pure money grab, NOTHING more. Its got croc all to do with making sure players make the right choice when fitting equipment.   Removal of slots for low tiers is even worse. How do you expect new players to stay playing, once they find out they will have to meet all those tier 4 and 5 tanks that are outright better than them. Not only will they have to play against tanks that are a higher tier then them. But now the tier 4 and 5's will be better equipped too.   As for the new battle communication. That is a complete joke.   All that was needed was to get rid of old unused equipment, and introduce some new ones. Nothing more, nothing less.   #Walletclosed #Game stays uninstalled


Unicorn_of_Steel, on 11 August 2020 - 07:54 AM, said:     Interesting pattern....Discrediting posters, even accusing them, making it clear they don't matter to you, asking for facts while not giving them yourself, trying to muscle people to change their choice of words.    By know it should even be clear in Minsk that the problem mainly is the limited number of demount kits, the work involved for players with large garages and the possible negative impact in terms of generating enough credits for the players with a rapid growning garage. Its not the change itself, its the way it has been implemented.   If you (WG) had taken this feedback more seriously (or at all) you could have made some small changes before implementation and the majority on this forum just might have been straight out positive... Now what is left is the image of a company that does not listen or does not care and only looks at the (percieved or real) money grab part of it.  


Flint_74, on 11 August 2020 - 09:23 AM, said:   To be fair though, if WG had actually properly converted ALL installed equipment to suit the class/tier of tank in which the equipment was mounted, instead of taking the lazy money-grabbing option of converting most/all of it to Class 1 equipment suitable only for the top couple of tiers of vehicles, then the question of the lack of demount kits possibly wouldn't have been such an immediate issue, because by and large people wouldn't have needed to remove any existing kit unless they subsequently decided to alter a particular tanks loadout to make use of the new equipment types.   In fact there are some key questions in all this;   1: Just how many players have now tried any of new equipment on their tanks/vheeled wehicles? 2: How many of those players who tried the new equipment then decided to switch back to a pre-1.10 loadout? 3: And how many players simply kept their pre-1.10 loadouts and haven't yet tried any of the new equipment for whatever reason?     Good for you; but while you're pulling up that ladder, maybe keep in mind that not everybody can actually afford to "buy the odd bit of gold"... especially at the present time with all that's going on in the world.


grasho, on 11 August 2020 - 10:21 AM, said:
I can’t reply for everyone, but I can offer my own experience.   1.  I am reviewing the equipment on 2 or 3 tanks a day (I have ~240) in tiers 2-8.  I am not looking at (or playing) tiers 9 and 10 because the equipment is too expensive and credit loss to great.  I want my lower tier tanks equipped before I use any remaining silver on equipment for the top tiers.
  2.  I will not switch back: if I make a poor choice, I will live with it.  The cost in gold and the stingy number of demount kits is a huge deterrent from changing equipment once the equipment is loaded.  Eekeeboo is free to tell me I will not be having fun by using a fork to eat chocolate (or some other confusing analogy).  I will just mock his support for the decisions that cause this situation.   3.  About half of the tanks I have reequipped so far have a different equipment choice than the pre-update setup.  Once the measly pathetic demount kit ration runs out, I’ll stop mounting equipment and mothball the unequipped tanks.  These will typically be the higher tier tanks, pushing me into seal-clubbing areas.  
  But, hey, WG think this will improve the game... 
 


Three_Rounds_Rapid, on 11 August 2020 - 11:54 AM, said: Latest results show that 80% of players think the Equipment rework is great and fully support it's implementation....


Dubaj_MS, on 11 August 2020 - 03:30 PM, said: WItam
Po aktualizacji , znikneły mi elementy wyposarzenia czołgow jak Optyka , wentylacja , Mechanizm dosyłyłajacy oraz w nie ktorych z nich , znikneła takze amunicja amunicja .
Znikneło mi wyposazenie w M44 Pantera , Progetto M35 , w tygrys I i 2 , T34 amunicja i w innych pojazdach wyposazenie jak Kmauflarz , na przykład FV4202 .
Nie wiem co sie dzieje ale kazda aktualizacja co robicie cos psuje !!! .
Nie kosultujecie zadnych zmnian z Graczami , uwazacie ze wszystko co robicie jest dobre i wy zawsze macie racje !!!   Translation. Hello
After the update, the elements of the tank equipment, such as optics, ventilation, backfeed mechanism, and in some of them, ammunition also disappeared.
My equipment for the M44 Pantera, Progetto M35, tiger I and 2, T34 ammunition and other vehicles such as Kmauflarz, for example FV4202, are missing.
I don't know what's going on but every update what you do breaks something !!! .
You do not negotiate any changes with the players, you think that everything you do is good and you are always right !!!


grasho, on 11 August 2020 - 06:43 PM, said: A good survey would be more neutral.   Instead of “Do you like getting spotted more?” (negative bias) or “Do you like being able to spot campers?” (positive bias).   A good survey would ask something like, “The new Commander Vision System (CVS) changes the spotting mechanics making it easier to spot enemies whilst making it harder to hide from enemies.  On a scale of 1 (Bad) to 6 (Good) please rate the CVS.”
  Unfortunately, as WG won’t publish its surveys, we can only speculate on the approach WG use.  Do we trust them to not build a bias into their surveys?  
I suspect they are biased, as one of Eekeeboos (spelling?) answers on the Equip 2.0 changes suggested that some players did not like people demounting binocs for free.  How would a majority of responders put that as a major concern in a neutral survey?   If a majority of players felt it was unfair, it would have been all over the forums.