Equipment 2.0 Is Here!
Дата: 12.08.2020 20:54:58
ibrox3, on 10 August 2020 - 11:33 AM, said: Eeekaboo - you have been busy this morning. I can see why your
bosses gave you this job. You are articulate, you ask us to remain
on topic - rightly - then you drift off and talk about tonnes of
chocolate. You have the political skills , to reply in a bland
manner without saying anything , always maintaining the party line.
So- >Eeekaboo "That's why you're encouraged
to learn to adapt and not just use 1 thing across the whole board
and expect it to work for everything, this was the point of the
changes to increase the adaptability and customisability and
choices for equipment. And at lower tiers, you know they were
changed to be simple also. I wish you luck on one day finding a way
to open your wallet on something you like, until then feel free to
keep spamming it, it won't change the sentiment of change for the
many, not the loud minority 
" What is encouraging to learn and adapt ? I
find out looking at higher tier TD's the ones with the extra % slot
1 to find that there is no advantage to using Bino's or Camo Net.
However of the equipment changes one of the most significant ones
is - the added ability to spot through foliage, i.e. to reveal more
easily the hidden TD's. To counter that an increased bonus for Camo
Net % or perhaps Binos to sit even further back would have perhaps
retained the same (or close) meta. However this is not allowed -
QED the main attribute of TD's is eroded - lying in wait
undetected. Instead the ability to use FIREPOWER related equipment
gains the + Everyone follows so far.... As in I have 36,000
battles + in my TD's and overall 58% win rate and now I am being
shown that I should concentrate on using a rammer in them and
clearly Camo Net / Binos is the "Wrong" equipment as you have
already explained with other set ups. BUT The inconsistency
in that the lower Tier TD's - you know where new players
Learn the game , maps, tank types etc etc..... are NOT allowed to
even use a rammer ! Now you can state that removing the
option to mount / demount camo net binos and toolkit is to
discourage bad equipt set ups -but you are not stopping anyone from
doing so.... You are stopping TD's from using a Rammer.
You see what you did there ? Using a justification which
cannot be consistent. Far better to admit that actually over
time it is monetisation. Honest and fair - its a free game has to
be paid for somehow - but trying to argue that instead it is about
educating the TierX player base ?! >Eeekaboo "One of the
changes you ask for on trying out the equipment combinations, you
can get an idea of, with a system that highlights the changeso on
the right hand side of you screen, showing you the exact changes,
something that you didn't have before, so you have it there. "
No , Not me. I can use the tank comparator tool and since it
was brought in always have. I just want to be able to use
equipment in all tanks and to be able to use the same equipment.
For all those that have not many games and low on credits that are
grinding Tiers they will suffer - no equipment. I know many
players who would get a new tank , including Tier X and try it out.
That includes adding Camo Binos and Toolkit as they may just hate
the tank. eekeeboo: I am both complimented and offended at the same time, chocolate
payment is acceptable in compensation. The TD example
you gave only works for certain TD's but yes, is true for some
tanks, but for a JgdE100 (oh how I hate you) ain't no amount of
camo going to save you, for a grille on the other hand, I'm OK with
making them be a bit more cautious in how they position so I don't
get uber sniped on prok by uber bush-fesst (extreme example but one
case). Many people have said scouts are useless because of wheeled
tanks for instance and can no longer spot to the same leve, well
the camo reduction may be a way to introduce them into a mechanic
that levels the playing field a little and gives them an edge in
other ways (just off the top of my head) That's becase I make
generalising statements rather than go into the nitty gritty case
by case example that would not only bore people and people don't
read, but we also answered previously. While some tank destroyers
do indeed rely on the rammer, others do not. There was a look into
tailoring equipment to each vehicle by its playstyle but the
feedback was that was unpopular and people hated it even more on
being told HOW to play. And if you don't have any bonuses or even
limitations, then why bother changing at all? And so on and so
forth. You have to stimulate and push people into changing, because
if you don't, they won't. Not all tanks do play the same, nor
should they be equipped that way. The plan was always to encourage
diversity in play style and set-ups for players so that 95% of
players (yes made up stat) use only 4 pieces of equipment (Unless
they're f2p then it's 3 pieces 
).
That's becase I make
generalising statements rather than go into the nitty gritty case
by case example that would not only bore people and people don't
read, but we also answered previously. While some tank destroyers
do indeed rely on the rammer, others do not. There was a look into
tailoring equipment to each vehicle by its playstyle but the
feedback was that was unpopular and people hated it even more on
being told HOW to play. And if you don't have any bonuses or even
limitations, then why bother changing at all? And so on and so
forth. You have to stimulate and push people into changing, because
if you don't, they won't. Not all tanks do play the same, nor
should they be equipped that way. The plan was always to encourage
diversity in play style and set-ups for players so that 95% of
players (yes made up stat) use only 4 pieces of equipment (Unless
they're f2p then it's 3 pieces ). grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 12:01 PM, said: I’ve been think about Eek’s response to me, and I think it is
suggesting new players are more likely to stay (and buy) if they
had a better understanding of the game mechanics. This got
me thinking about my own experience when I started playing, and
what encouraged me to stay. Improving my performance by
understanding the mechanics, role, equipment, maps etc. has
never been a factor. I still don’t understand all the
mechanics after 93k games (for example, I’m a good scout player,
but I’ve only just realised the significance of having a view range
that is greater than 440m). I stayed be because it was
fun.I remember learning “don’t cross the centre line” on Prok in my (then tier 3) BT7. But now tier 3 tanks never experience Prok: it is Mines, Himmelsdorf and Abbey. We had map variation, which made the game fun. The maps had hidden paths and unintended routes. We could find those and exploit them. It was fun. Now all maps have hidden barriers forcing players into corridors. That is not fun, it reduces variation. Protection for newbies was missing. Being able to rofl-stomp was considered a good thing.
Unbalanced maps. It was never a problem and sometimes you gained, sometime you didn’t. Murovanka’s magic forest was brilliant, sniping from the north or manoeuvring and using the dips in the south to flank the snipers.
Scout matchmaking. You haven’t lived until your tier 4 light destroys a tier 10 heavy. It also taught you how to handle lights so you could avoid incoming shots.
All of these examples can be grouped together as “variation”. There are many more examples of how the game was fun and kept me hooked (and spending). Those fun factors were all removed by successive “improvements” and the game is becoming more “corporate” (for want of a better phrase). It has become consistent, predictable, technical, bland... If you want to attract more new players and retain the old players, bring the variation back.
eekeeboo: You are right in some of your statements, but I think I already
answered this about needing to be able to attract new audience and
not just rely on the same audience which over time has changed in
itself. The game environment and F2P games are now very different
to what they were and people expect very different things. Unless
you're an old school WoT player, in which case some players like
nothing to change.
Medics_Gun, on 10 August 2020 - 12:08 PM, said: Never seen before WG Staff and moderators defending a decision so
hard. You guys are trying to convince the majority of players that
changes were necessary and absolutely useful. Necessary and useful
for gameplay, for new players, for veterans, or for company's
income? Imo, equipment-2 is nothing but a desperate trick which
currently works as a boomerang. The whole update is a bad joke full
of lies and illusions. I wonder if the CEO and his advisors
are looking already for a new job.... eekeeboo: You should look back at some of my earlier work. This is because I
and we are trying to explain the situation to people who are asking
questions or may have it wrong. Before I moved on from community
manager you would see me here far more frequently doing what I'm
doing now, simply put, I will give you answers, whether you like
them or not and give reasons for the change so you can understand
why it's happening. It is then up to you whether you accept them or
not, for which my job is to try and get you onside and understand
it and accept it and help you, but at the end of the day, this is a
personal decision and we can only do so much. This is the nature of
community management and relations
RamDass, on 10 August 2020 - 12:22 PM, said: So new week new narrative. Like was predicted last week the
argument is going to be only a small percentage are dissatisfied
with the amazing patch on EU servers. If you are so sure of
this why not just do an in-game survey for all players? That will
giove you the statistics you need. Of course you won't do that
though, will you? Irrespective oif whatever the personal
opinion of EU wargaming staff and shill accounts, the deciding
factor is, and always was, the RU player base.
Personally speaking, I would disregard any feedback you get from
staff here, it's all conjecture anyway, and wait to see what the
actually WG decision makers in Minsk decide to appease the Russian
players.eekeeboo: Because someone has to then go through millions of survey results,
you don't do this in any data gathering unless you're collecting
population data. You collected target and representative samples
that represent all demographics of your playerbase and test against
your hypothesis and your other sampling techniques like feedback
gathering from platforms. Not new narrative btw, just new staff
visiting for the first time in a long time.
Ragnaguard, on 10 August 2020 - 12:50 PM, said: u seem to defend their side way more than an average player.. maybe
u have to propose a better way then... cause in my eyes every try
is better than no try at all... or u saying cause some
players will have the alternative accounts the poll will be so off?
let WG decide the accounts that will send the survey randomly...
has been done again in the past. all my years of playing this
game i never seen a proof of what WG states its true (not
even the names of accounts that r banned is presented to us (just a
"1500accounts banned, huraayyyy" thing). where is the transparency?
they only relaised 2 great mistakes (1st rubicon AFTER ALL
streamers pointed out , and 2nd preferenciall MM AFTER many
players refunded their credit cards).. so once more, if u got any
better ideas better present em.. at least will make u seen as one
who actually tries to help eekeeboo: Please refer above, people like Homer tend to understand data and
have many people explain why surveys on just platform are not
effective. As soon as you rely on single platform feedback you get
the "You only listen to X player, you're ruining this game!". Let's
say every player on EU all agreed suddenly to come to the forums
and all said the exact same thing, that's still not every player on
every server.
geekuma, on 10 August 2020 - 12:51 PM, said: Dear eekeeboo, While your answer was to ibrox3, I
want to notify one thing, which I also wrote to the Bugs and
Technical Issues thread (under the GUI Equipment). This
preview feature you mentioned, is indeed very handy and I like it a
lot. My sort of an OCD-ish love for figures, numbers and
classifications is very happy about the numerical values and the
extra details in the hover-over. Unfortunately there's
one but. The but is that this window-shopping is possible only, if
a player has enough credits or bonds to buy the equipment. If a
player doesn't have enough credits or bonds, he/she won't be able
to preview its effect on the tank either. I'm sure you understand,
why people would like to preview also equipment, which they at that
moment can't afford. The standard ones (credits), the bounties
(credits) and improved equipment (bonds) - all of them.
Edit2: I have to make a factual correction here. It is not possible
to window-shop any equipment, even if there is enouch credits. The
equipment slot has to be empty, thus dictating removal of existing
equipment. Dear WG, please change this, that a player can test-fit
any equipment as they wish, and the changes are applied at the end.
You know, the same way one can test-fit different camouflages,
emblems and so on in the Exterior window. That would be actually
practical and improve the gaming experience. 
While it's nice to do window-shopping for
all the obvious reasons, it also gives a short-term target to save
credits/bonds up for this certain kind of equipment, don't you
think? :-) gl&hf, geekuma Edit:
Corrected my mindflow induced English, and added a link to my
related post. Edit2: 11/8/2020 Added updated information
based on findings. Screenshot updated. eekeeboo: Thanks for this, and it's something to look at it in the future,
but this is where and why you're asked to accept your loadout
before you buy, I understand if you've already kitted out this
isn't much help to you, but I believe you can also see the changes
another way but I need to check if it's the same from earlier
tests. Also... is it too soon to say convert gold to
credits? 
Ragnaguard, on 10 August 2020 - 12:53 PM, said: also , this thread has more than 1k responds (much more if u add
the where my equipment gone thread) and WG still has shown no signs
of even identifying the problem... any further comments on that?eekeeboo: 1k responses and how many actual respondants?
grasho, on 10 August 2020 - 01:37 PM, said: Someone did suggest a few days ago that WG would quietly start removing posts. As a lead moderator in my employers forum (before I retired (aged 50
at Christmas) I agree it
can be acceptable to removing offensive posts. If
they are removing posts that are off-topic, I would be a little
concerned, but it could be acceptable. If they are
removing posts to hide discontent or skew the narrative, then
I would consider that very sinister and destructive.Criticism is a good thing if you want to improve.
eekeeboo: I'm sure you can see by the number of critical posts from the same
people, that there's no "censorship" only actual forum rule
enforcement . It's why when posts are removed I
still quote and warn people or just go "boop of nope".
. It's why when posts are removed I
still quote and warn people or just go "boop of nope". Sesrex, on 10 August 2020 - 01:43 PM, said: It was suggested in the other thread (Current Update/Feedback) on
the 6th of August. And hey presto it was correct: Not a
hope. The plan will be as follows: Hide for a few days while
the initial player backlash subsides. Continue to use shell
accounts (50 games 5000 forum posts) to try and get the narrative
back on track and post positive things about this trash no matter
how obvious it is. Send in the moderators after a week to dish out
punishment warnings, for criticising the patch (Just use any
reaosn, criticisng WG, not relevant to the topic, take your pick).
Wait another few days then quietly begin deleting entire posts that
made relevant points about how bad the patch is Take a decision on
what to do next based on the RU player base as the EU department
are inept and incapable of reporting to Minsk how people really
feel about this trash. http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/749450-update-110-release-general-feedback/page__st__460__pid__18005704#entry18005704eekeeboo: Be busy being elsewhere and catering to more than just the
forumsActively plan other events like gamescom onlineReally? What's
the point, that has no voice anywayModerators are here all the time
enforcing rules. I'm sorry I and others are busy, but I simply
have a lot to do and none of it actively requires me to be on the
forums or replying. Feedback was already gathered and sent...
twice.
Equipment 2.0 Is Here!