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_BobaFett:  It appears so.

_BobaFett: CONTENTS What Will Be Tested During the Supertest? Changes to Vehicles With HE Shells Wheeled Vehicles Artillery What About Other Vehicles?   What Will Be Tested During the Supertest? Please note: The Supertest is a closed test where preliminary testing of vehicles requiring fine-tuning and verification as to the effectiveness of balance changes take place. On May 18, the following nine vehicles will go to the Supertest: IXType 4 Heavy XType 5 Heavy XXM551 Sheridan IXT49 VIKV-2 VIKV-2 ® XPanhard EBR 105 IXPanhard EBR 90 VIIIPanhard AML Lynx 6x6   We will also test system changes to AP shell alpha damage for all SPGs, as well as certain improvements to particular vehicles. After being evaluated in the Supertest and adjusted accordingly, the suggested changes will most likely be added to the first Update 1.13 Common Test so everyone can check them. Changes to Vehicles With HE Shells T49 For the 152 mm Gun-Launcher XM81 (conventional) gun, dispersion was decreased from 0.6 to 0.57. For the 152 mm Gun-Launcher XM81 (conventional) gun, dispersion was decreased on turret traverse from 0.38 to 0.35. XM551 Sheridan For the 152 mm Gun-Launcher XM81 (conventional) gun, dispersion was decreased from 0.53 to 0.51. For the 152 mm Gun-Launcher XM81 (conventional) gun, dispersion was decreased on turret traverse from 0.4 to 0.35. High-Tier American light tanks currently have high damage per shot for their type and an extremely small chance of accurately hitting the target. The suggested changes will help reduce the time required for taking an accurate shot. We believe that this will be just enough to take advantage of the new mechanics for causing damage with HE shells. Either use your patience and cunning or be bold and courageous by trying your luck behind enemy lines! Type 5 Heavy For the 15 cm/45 41st Year Type gun, penetration was increased for the Common Type 91 shell from 240 to 252 mm. For the 15 cm/45 41st Year Type gun, dispersion was decreased from 0.5 to 0.47. For the 14 cm/50 3rd Year Type gun, dispersion was decreased from 0.4 to 0.38. Type 4 Heavy For the 15 cm/45 41st Year Type gun, penetration was increased for the Common Type 91 shell from 240 to 252 mm. For the 15 cm/45 41st Year Type gun, dispersion was decreased from 0.52 to 0.49. For the 14 cm/50 3rd Year Type gun, dispersion was decreased from 0.42 to 0.4. These steel Japanese beasts stand out for their toughness, slowness, and relentlessness. Everyone knows what to expect from their HE shells—an accurate shot bears bad news for enemies and success for your team. Now we are planning to slightly increase the expected effectiveness of the 15 cm gun's armor-piercing shells. Their armor penetration will allow them to perform better in close-range combat. The Common Type 91 AP shell has been added to the existing HE and Premium HE shell selections for the 15 cm/45 41st Year Type gun on the Type 4 and 5 Heavy tanks as part of overall changes to HE shell mechanics.
In addition, we will adjust their accuracy so that in close combat, when looking down on the weak spots of opponents that are much smaller, these vehicles will be able to fire both HE and AP shells more accurately. KV-2/KV-2 ® V-5 engine power was increased from 600 to 630 hp. For the 152 MM М-10 gun, aiming time was decreased from 4.0 to 3.8. For the KV-2 MOD. 1941 suspension, traverse speed was increased from 18 to 20 deg/s. For the KV-2 MOD. 1941 suspension, dispersion during movement was decreased from 0.28 to 0.26. For the KV-2 MOD. 1941 suspension, dispersion on hull traverse was decreased from 0.28 to 0.26. For the МТ-2 turret, traverse speed was increased from 16 to 17 deg/s. For the 122 MM U-11, 152 MM М-10, and 107 MM ZIS-6 guns, dispersion on МТ-2 turret traverse was decreased from 0.16 to 0.15. This Soviet steel giant and its Imperial Guard version can do a lot without demanding much in return. In discussions on Sandboxes related to HE shells, feedback on the KV-2 and its counterpart was a central theme. These vehicles are highly popular and dear to the heart of every tanker. The statistics showed that no significant changes in their performance were introduced. The difference in the values of damage caused during the first HE shell test on the live server was less than 6%. During the second test, this difference was even narrower, nearly halved to 3%. Your feedback and survey responses prove that this vehicle is important to many players. To preserve its uniqueness, we will make small changes to improve its gameplay and keep its battle performance level with its current performance on the live server. Wheeled Vehicles Panhard EBR 105 For the 105 mm D. 1504 (EBR) gun, penetration was decreased from 105 mm to 75 mm for the OE-105-Mle. 60 D. 1504 (EBR) shell. Panhard EBR 90/Panhard AML Lynx 6x6 For the 90 MM CN 90 F3, 90 MM D. 921 F1, and 90 MM D. 921 guns, penetration was decreased from 90 mm to 75 mm for the OE shell. Of all the vehicles listed above, wheeled vehicles showed the greatest change in the effectiveness of their HE shells. This was due to a number of factors—gun accuracy, stabilization, and the speed and maneuverability of the vehicles themselves. This increase in performance proved to be excessive and requires fixing. To avoid increasing the effectiveness of wheeled vehicles, we will test a reduction in HE shell armor penetration for all researchable vehicles. 75 mm of penetration may become standard for the entire branch. Artillery Within the Supertest, SPGs will receive two primary changes. AP shells will receive increased damage. According to the statistics of particular vehicles (mostly heavy SPGs with high-caliber guns), the result of hitting and causing damage did not correspond to the effort spent. It's hard to time the shot and hit the target with an AP shell when driving the Т92 HMC or G.W. E 100. Such effort should be rewarded. Therefore, as part of testing, we will improve the damage per shot of AP shells for a number of SPGs to make their effectiveness correspond to other vehicles of their type. Some SPGs will receive a small reduction in damage for AP and alternative shells as an adjustment to their effectiveness. These small changes should keep vehicle performance at an appropriate level. For example, the damage value of AP and alternative shells for the 155 mm guns of the American SPG branch (M12, M40/M43, and M53/M55) will be decreased by 30 HP and 50 HP, respectively. What About Other Vehicles? In addition to the specified changes, there are a number of other vehicles that can be considered vehicles with HE-based gameplay. For example, the Polish B.U.G.I., FV4005 Stage II, and some Shermans. After analyzing the data collected during the Sandbox tests and on the live server, we can now say that no changes are required for them. There are a number of reasons for this: either their effectiveness has not changed or the share of HE shell damage is excessively small with regards to the total damage caused by a particular vehicle. Such a complex change in game mechanics affects almost all aspects of the game. As a result, it requires close examination in the Supertests of certain vehicles, as well as for all Common Test vehicles. We will continue to analyze what happens after we deliver Update 1.13 in June, so please be aware that further tweaks and adjustments are likely. We look forward to your feedback, both for the results of the Common Test and after the release of Update 1.13. Good luck on the battlefield. Roll out!      T49 dispersion buffed from 0.6 to 0.57T49 dispersion on turret traverse buffed from 0.38 to 0.35 Sheridan dispersion buffed from 0.53 to 0.51Sheridan dispersion on turret traverse buffed from 0.4 to 0.35 Type 5 Heavy 15 cm penetration on its AP shell buffed from 240 mm to 252 mmType 5 Heavy 15 cm dispersion buffed from 0.5 to 0.47Type 5 Heavy 14 cm dispersion buffed from 0.4 to 0.38 Type 4 Heavy 15 cm penetration on its AP shell buffed from 240 mm to 252 mmType 4 Heavy 15 cm dispersion buffed from 0.52 to 0.49Type 4 Heavy 14 cm dispersion buffed from 0.42 to 0.4 KV-2 and KV-2 ® engine power buffed from 600 to 630 HPKV-2 and KV-2 ® traverse speed buffed from 18 to 20 deg/sKV-2 and KV-2 ® dispersion on hull traverse and movement buffed from 0.28 to 0.26KV-2 and KV-2 ® turret traverse speed buffed from 16 to 17 deg/sKV-2 and KV-2 ® dispersion on turret traverse buffed from 0.16 to 0.15 EBR 105 HE shell penetration nerfed from 105 mm to 75 mmEBR 90 HE shell penetration nerfed from 90 mm to 75 mmLynx 6x6 HE shell penetration nerfed from 90 mm to 75 mm Within the Supertest, SPGs will receive two primary changes.1. AP shells will receive increased damage. According to the statistics of particular vehicles (mostly heavy SPGs with high-caliber guns), the result of hitting and causing damage did not correspond to the effort spent. It's hard to time the shot and hit the target with an AP shell when driving the Т92 HMC or G.W. E 100. Such effort should be rewarded. Therefore, as part of testing, we will improve the damage per shot of AP shells for a number of SPGs to make their effectiveness correspond to other vehicles of their type.
2. Some SPGs will receive a small reduction in damage for AP and alternative shells as an adjustment to their effectiveness. These small changes should keep vehicle performance at an appropriate level. For example, the damage value of AP and alternative shells for the 155 mm guns of the American SPG branch (M12, M40/M43, and M53/M55) will be decreased by 30 HP and 50 HP, respectively. The B.U.G.I., FV4005, and Sherman tanks will not be changed.

_BobaFett: Only the tier ten and the premium need changes in my opinion. The others are moderately balanced at this point I would say.

_BobaFett:  GLD is worthless and I'd rather not be completely blind.

DeviouslyCursed:   Maybe you should just [edited]yourself you [edited].    Thanks for validating my position.

DeviouslyCursed:

DeviouslyCursed:  I really wish the mods would just ban people like this. At some point everyone just gets fed up with their stupidity and it would just be better if they were made to "disappear." 

Draschel:  But what you are talking about is 150% purely unprovable unfactual subjectivity. What you think, without any proof that maybe convincing. Now, do not get me wrong, believe what you want, whatever you want. But none BUT you will believe it, and many will think it just nonsense. You choose. I think it is useless at any and every quantitative, evaluative level. People call this boulderdash, jargon, whoopy, nonsense, fluff.  People miss all the time in artillery. That is why arty accuracy is bad, that is why your arty accuracy probably isn't any different than the next guys, bad.  Arty are a shot palcement slot machine, they miss Type 5, but then hit full speed manticore. That is the way such a randomized class (and game) works.  

Draschel:  I don't think T26E5 premium APCR shell increases in speed from its stock APCR 

TeriyakiTanker: LOL.....please share the drugs you are on!

DeviouslyCursed:  This issue is SBMM brings in other problems. From longer queue times to other forms of unfairness (see below). And I've said it multiple times, and most people who want SBMM never acknowledge it: The best matches to win are the ones you were supposed to lose. That doesn't happen with SBMM. 

DeviouslyCursed:  And with SBMM players are deliberately assigned better or worse teammates than another player. Which, by definition, is also unfair. Got it. But to jump off the cliff and say "it's fair because the team now has an equal chance to win" what?  If you are in line at the movies (I remember, I just never went that often cuz meh..)  and the guy selling the tickets charges the person in front of you $0.25 for his ticket, and you go to buy yours and your total is $825.00, you'd be okay with that? Movies take $X dollars to make, if you and another person both want to see it, isn't it fair that you contribute the same proportion of income to that viewing? If you can contribute more, why shouldn't you be forced to? What??? Wouldn't it be better if it was equal for everyone? If you want to go to the movies more, get a better job, or work overtime. (If you want more wins, get better. If you want more fair teams, stop triple platooning, or deliberately platoon with lesser skilled players. There are some really cool people who can't play the game worth s***). Your "position" is "acceptance" of a crappy situation.  Which is a crappy position to take... The simple fact is: both versions have a degree of unfairness, and fairness, in them. The question of which is better is often subjective. But to deny there are any negatives to either side is being dishonest or clueless to the extreme. My position is that Random is superior to even the best SBMM. My major concern with changing to a SBMM is that often the best SBMMs aren't even used, but some screwed up version instead. My biggest concern? If they switch to a SBMM and it's not a per tank rating but an account wide one instead, this game is effectively dead to me. I would not play it if they did that.

_BobaFett:  I have not had the pleasure of such PM. Unfortunate.

_BobaFett: Use the 32 bit version of the game or re-install. If that doesn't fix it send a ticket to support.

_BobaFett:  

DeviouslyCursed:  So if they were all in one tank and not in your typical pool of tanks, all it takes to throw the stats off is using a tank that you perform better than your average in. For instance if I used one of my top tier 8 prems to run a thousand battles or so and ONLY used that tank, I would be underestimated by about 8-10%. All you have demonstrated is that when you are underestimated by a stat program, you win more than expected win chance. The matches weren't actually balanced matches. Also the reason why I've said, multiple times, the only way a SBMM would have any chance of working in WoT is if it went by a per tank stat ranking.   And for your picture, the battles is unbalanced, and is fair. It is not unfair because we all have crap teams at some point. It happens. It is not rigged because all players are being treated equally, there is no evidence that anyone is getting a worse MM than anyone else. If two people are playing a game and the entire game comes down to who wins the last roll, they roll the dice, and one gets a "1" and the other gets a "6" and highest wins, the game wasn't "rigged." Random chance, as well as all the factors and decisions they made during the game, influenced the outcome. But it's not rigged. If you kept track of all the die rolls, and one player had better rolls overall, that is still random chance. It is still not rigged.

DeviouslyCursed: Someone is going for a full account ban in 1 day

_BobaFett:  The cake is a lie.

Elias_K_Grodin: While it's not a special tank, the M4A1 has helped ease me back into WoT after being in hiatus for 2 years. The 105mm gun is made for brawling and it does pack a punch even when uptiered. "One hundred rounds do not constitute fire power. One hit constitutes fire power." - Merritt Edson, United States Marine Corps

Hey_man_Gneis_shot: While it's not a special tank, the M4A1 has helped ease me back into WoT after being in hiatus for 2 years. The 105mm gun is made for brawling and it does pack a punch even when uptiered. "One hundred rounds do not constitute fire power. One hit constitutes fire power." - Merritt Edson, United States Marine Corps

_BobaFett: The IS-7 one is my favorite.

Elias_K_Grodin: Hey Platoon, I was wary about the topic of this discussion but allowed it to continue. After several rounds of insults and personal attacks, I don't see any further value in keeping this topic open and have concluded from further posts. Remember to keep discussions civil at all times. Refer to our rules here for further information.

Hey_man_Gneis_shot: Hey Platoon, I was wary about the topic of this discussion but allowed it to continue. After several rounds of insults and personal attacks, I don't see any further value in keeping this topic open and have concluded from further posts. Remember to keep discussions civil at all times. Refer to our rules here for further information.

Elias_K_Grodin: Personally, I don't find any value in a spectator mode since it doesn't add any value to the gameplay. Stock grinds will always require some degree of learning and adjustments as do many premium vehicles too. They are part of the game and not only learning the basics and fundamentals, but also building your skills with the tank/vehicle to be able to adapt to changing situations in battle and taking advantage of its strengths while minimizing any vulnerabilities. Pref MM doesn't help you build your skills with new vehicles but just gives you a false sense of security that "Hey, I'm actually doing pretty good!" I came back to WoT after 2 years working with World of Warships and although the first dozen battles were a tad painful, I've relearned the basics and can put up a decent fight now. "For every obstacle there is a solution. Persistence is the key. The greatest mistake is giving up!" - Dwight D. Eisenhower, United States Army 

Hey_man_Gneis_shot: Personally, I don't find any value in a spectator mode since it doesn't add any value to the gameplay. Stock grinds will always require some degree of learning and adjustments as do many premium vehicles too. They are part of the game and not only learning the basics and fundamentals, but also building your skills with the tank/vehicle to be able to adapt to changing situations in battle and taking advantage of its strengths while minimizing any vulnerabilities. Pref MM doesn't help you build your skills with new vehicles but just gives you a false sense of security that "Hey, I'm actually doing pretty good!" I came back to WoT after 2 years working with World of Warships and although the first dozen battles were a tad painful, I've relearned the basics and can put up a decent fight now. "For every obstacle there is a solution. Persistence is the key. The greatest mistake is giving up!" - Dwight D. Eisenhower, United States Army 

_BobaFett:  Point taken.

churchill50: My first choice would definitely be the T-34-85M, for several reasons:1) It's an amazing tank. Definitely among the best tier 6's. It's also pretty forgiving.2) It trains crews for a great line. The Russian medium tanks are one of the best starter lines in the game, so having a crew trainer for them is great.3) It's used extensively in tier 6 strongholds, which are a great entry-level clan activity and a decent way to grind credits. Second choice would be the Panther/M10 since it's a pretty good tank, and has preferential matchmaker so it will never face tier 9's.

Einzelganger7: No idea what he did to be blamed but...
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_BobaFett:  Who are you to tell me what I feel? Seriously, what kind of twisted logic is this?

_BobaFett:  This is mostly the reason I stopped caring about stats. No matter what, someone will always look down on you. And I don't want to look down on others.  Besides that, it's incredibly fun-sucking. (stat chasing is)

Jaguarz:  Yet you seem to think whining about what you perceive to be whiners as a productive use of time and energy.....

_BobaFett: The 85M would be my pick.

Elias_K_Grodin: I read through the OP and here's my take-away: MM is based on vehicle tier MM does not take into account player WR, rating, whether they are left or right handed Regarding the data set, when was this taken and what was the source of the data? What time of day was the data captured? How long of a period was the data sample collected? I only see results of a handful of battles yet thousands of battles were mentioned, I am waiting for the other data  There is fortunately a solution to the the unproven theory of rigged matches, do not worry about other players and focus on having fun and/or improving your skills and tactics of playing WoT. "To get the best out of your men, they must feel that you are their real leader and must know that they can depend upon you." - John J. Pershing, United States Army

Hey_man_Gneis_shot: I read through the OP and here's my take-away: MM is based on vehicle tier MM does not take into account player WR, rating, whether they are left or right handed Regarding the data set, when was this taken and what was the source of the data? What time of day was the data captured? How long of a period was the data sample collected? I only see results of a handful of battles yet thousands of battles were mentioned, I am waiting for the other data  There is fortunately a solution to the the unproven theory of rigged matches, do not worry about other players and focus on having fun and/or improving your skills and tactics of playing WoT. "To get the best out of your men, they must feel that you are their real leader and must know that they can depend upon you." - John J. Pershing, United States Army

Jaguarz: lel

_BobaFett: Remember when trolls were creative?

_BobaFett:  It's alright. It can still perform well but it will take a bit of thinking on the players part to get the most out of it.

Draschel:  When circon first reviewed it on the Paris map, and literally ran over an entire team, the tank was powerful. In the tanks release, years ago. Skill still loves it, but I am sure he knows WZ11114, T10, 257 are better. Tier 9 has changed since opinions of AMX51. M103 buffs, E75 buffs, STI buffs, T-55A buffs, Emil 2 and T54E1 buffs, IS3-2 release, Concept release, Phase 1 release, Kamp pz release., K91T. I just think the tank has fallen into mediocrity, as sad as it sounds. At times it works real well because it combines super heavy armor like E75 or STI, but much quicker. However it sacrifices mucho forgiving protection, can't sidescrape, terrible side armor. Terrible because of all the high pen HE. I think Phase, Conqueror, Concept all do this role so much better. The 120mm is good but why not same pen as autoloader 120, 270 pen for the 127 is pretty bad (same problem with 10)  And movement dispersions soft stats are bleh The tier 10 is just awful, and it shouldn't be. It is reasonably quick, good gun depression, LFP is reasonably strong. But 120 basically doesn't improve, again why not autoloader APCR pen. Why not DPM like other 120mm tier 10? It has DPM of high alpha tanks like IS7, Type 5, Pz VII with a.....120?  Again, the movement dispersion problem carries over from the tier 9, comapred to 120mm heavy tanks like 215B, Super K, T110E5. 130mm doesn't improve from the 127mm, really not at all. No improvements in cupola size or armor either. No improvements in side armor, and shoulders (like Type 5 shoulder buffs)  Both can use help, the 10 just needs alot more  

Draschel: Type 96 howitzer is the same weapon, on OI, ONI, oho.  You do not notice the size difference on  OI  because of the recoil box carrying itPretty bad post. Unless it is some kind of joke  -insert laugh-  These tanks don't need anymore armor.  And 20mm side armor is a joke. 

DeviouslyCursed: Nope.   sbmm is only battles with 40-60% chance to win.  So if you look at the 40-49 and 50-59 brackets below, that is sbmm If you look at all the battles, you are looking at the current 'random' mm, my win rate is 56.3%. If you look at JUST the 40-49 and 50-59 battles, i.e. sbmm, my win rate is 56%. - sbmm will not force your win rate to 50%.  Fact.    Whatever system you are using is ranking you at about a 52-53% player. It is underestimating you, so your win chance is actually higher than what is listed in your chart. More likely it is underestimating the platoon you are always playing with. If the system you are using to calculate the win chance is accurate, your mean and median "chance to win" should both be where (or at least near) your overall win rate is. It is not in your chart. It is significantly lower. Drastically lower. But I don't expect someone of your 'statistics caliber' to understand what I'm talking about.

DeviouslyCursed:

_BobaFett: I didn't even bother to pick out my cards, no real point honestly.