Developers posts on forum

AgentXIII: {I would like to reiterate that the TK system is automated, and apologize again as I had edited my previous post for this fact. This system does track team damage and apply/escalate restrictions accordingly. This means that if you are a player that bumps into someone and turns blue, you either bump into someone a lot, or you actively shoot your team on a regular basis. The system is not that hair sensitive.   The complaints menu system is not the same as the TK system and the complaints menu system does provide us with everything we need, with the exception of bots. There are some very sophisticated bots, and yes a replay helps, but just because a player looks like a bot in a replay does not mean they are actually a bot. I have people on my team pretty good at bot detection, but yes, not everyone will get caught.   About how much a player has spent in our game? I'm sorry, my support staff does not cater to the person who has the most money invested, each and every player is upheld to the same policies without exception.   I would like to address some of the questions asked thus far; No the complaints system doesn't send us a replay. But we do obtain the data we need for an investigation. I can't really disclose what this is though. (hint: I bet the modding community knows) Physics abuse is addressed, "in game" harassment can be addressed, in garage cannot, Tank blocking, actually let me just say that we're still working on how we want to handle bots. We won't be expanding the list of actions that can be reported yet, but we are discussing changing some of them for better clarification. We won't be renovating or restarting the system, but it will be made more efficient in time.  We currently feel that we've been pretty light on handing out punishments lately, but we can always get more strict if that's how the player-base really feels. What my staff does... without giving away too much, one person per shift goes through as many reports as possible, which is often 15x more than going through the tickets, but having the same information at hand, while also removing the need for a time stamp in a replay or asking the reporting player for more information. I.E. please send us a replay making the report take longer to address as it passes another cycle in the ticket queue. This system can be trusted as much as you trust the people reading the tickets, so if you already don't trust our support, this system won't shouldn't make that worse, its the same people, going through the same stuff, just in a method where we don't need a ticket to investigate the issue. This system isn't too much different than excepting tickets, its just faster. This system change was put in place a loooong time ago, we here in NA were just using the complaints menu and taking tickets for these items at the same time. We reviewed a years worth of data before deciding to stop taking tickets and using the complaints menu only.  Using outside help? We had that back in 2012, we had community moderators, unfortunately we had to end this, legal issues, over my head, but I know we can't bring it back. (I think some of our community moderators are still around)   Sorry folks, gotta cut this short, I have a meeting to be at in 2 minutes. I'll check back soon.

AgentXIII: {I would like to reiterate that the TK system is automated, and apologize again as I had edited my previous post for this fact. This system does track team damage and apply/escalate restrictions accordingly. This means that if you are a player that bumps into someone and turns blue, you either bump into someone a lot, or you actively shoot your team on a regular basis. The system is not that hair sensitive.   The complaints menu system is not the same as the TK system and the complaints menu system does provide us with everything we need, with the exception of bots. There are some very sophisticated bots, and yes a replay helps, but just because a player looks like a bot in a replay does not mean they are actually a bot. I have people on my team pretty good at bot detection, but yes, not everyone will get caught.   About how much a player has spent in our game? I'm sorry, my support staff does not cater to the person who has the most money invested, each and every player is upheld to the same policies without exception.   I would like to address some of the questions asked thus far; No the complaints system doesn't send us a replay. But we do obtain the data we need for an investigation. I can't really disclose what this is though. (hint: I bet the modding community knows) Physics abuse is addressed, "in game" harassment can be addressed, in garage cannot, Tank blocking, actually let me just say that we're still working on how we want to handle bots. We won't be expanding the list of actions that can be reported yet, but we are discussing changing some of them for better clarification. We won't be renovating or restarting the system, but it will be made more efficient in time.  We currently feel that we've been pretty light on handing out punishments lately, but we can always get more strict if that's how the player-base really feels. What my staff does... without giving away too much, one person per shift goes through as many reports as possible, which is often 15x more than going through the tickets, but having the same information at hand, while also removing the need for a time stamp in a replay or asking the reporting player for more information. I.E. please send us a replay making the report take longer to address as it passes another cycle in the ticket queue. This system can be trusted as much as you trust the people reading the tickets, so if you already don't trust our support, this system won't shouldn't make that worse, its the same people, going through the same stuff, just in a method where we don't need a ticket to investigate the issue. This system isn't too much different than excepting tickets, its just faster. This system change was put in place a loooong time ago, we here in NA were just using the complaints menu and taking tickets for these items at the same time. We reviewed a years worth of data before deciding to stop taking tickets and using the complaints menu only.  Using outside help? We had that back in 2012, we had community moderators, unfortunately we had to end this, legal issues, over my head, but I know we can't bring it back. (I think some of our community moderators are still around)   Sorry folks, gotta cut this short, I have a meeting to be at in 2 minutes. I'll check back soon.

DavidBowieRocks: Dia 27 de maio todo mundo lá, pessoal!
Depois não vale reclamar que avisamos muito em cima da hora!

DavidBowieRocks: Dia 27 de maio todo mundo lá, pessoal!
Depois não vale reclamar que avisamos muito em cima da hora!

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Capitao_Desastre_: A parte da Amazon não sei... Mas o replay não dá para fazer como você descreve, infelizmente.

Yoott:   The new map change is already up on the common test. Definitely should check it out.             

Yoott:   The new map change is already up on the common test. Definitely should check it out.             

AgentXIII: Sorry for the delay, I've been reading up.   I would first like to state that the report system in game is not automated, not even a little. I have a small selection of my staff that actively goes through these reports and performs an investigation. I'm not going to say what is involved in this investigations or even how it works, but I need to crush the idea that the system is automated.    Next I would like to state plainly why we moved to only using the report feature and not accepting tickets for these types of actions. The report feature is more efficient.  Before, my staff would go through these reports from the report system, then switch over to tickets only to find out 63% of the players (yes that's an accurate number) were already taken care of in accordance to our policies through the report system. This was redundant work that mostly just took time of my staff away from assisting other players with billing,account, and technical issues.   On average over the past 6 months, Rule Violations tickets were 30% of our incoming tickets, give or take a few hundred depending on the events. Our ticket income has more than doubled since last year, and many players are upset about our response times. Well if I can remove redundant work from my staff and allow them to get to other types of tickets faster, I see it as a Win/Win.    I'm sorry that many players feel that we aren't taking action, and yes I'm aware there is the possibility of rule violators slipping through the cracks or determining a way to exploit the system, but I promise that my team still investigates, by hand, and sets restrictions on players, by hand if the player has been found in violation of our rules. Just ask the players that have been hit improperly and had to send in a penalty appeal ticket, because yes, there is human error involved. I also know our system isn't perfect, yet, but we are working to improve it, and one of those improvements is developing methods to locate players that try to exploit the system. But I won't say how  Now I do urge the community to poke holes in the system, we need this, because without knowing where the armor is weak, we can't reinforce it. (like the fact that we don't have a report feature in the garage, so we still take tickets for this)   Edit: Sorry, for the edit, but the TK system is automated as this tracks friendly fire damage, the rest of the complaints menu is not, as physics abuse cannot be tracked this way. And now I think I see where there is a disconnect in our messaging about the Team Killing system and the complaints menu system, which, are separate entities. I will look this over and change the messaging where its needed. Sorry for confusion on this.

AgentXIII: Sorry for the delay, I've been reading up.   I would first like to state that the report system in game is not automated, not even a little. I have a small selection of my staff that actively goes through these reports and performs an investigation. I'm not going to say what is involved in this investigations or even how it works, but I need to crush the idea that the system is automated.    Next I would like to state plainly why we moved to only using the report feature and not accepting tickets for these types of actions. The report feature is more efficient.  Before, my staff would go through these reports from the report system, then switch over to tickets only to find out 63% of the players (yes that's an accurate number) were already taken care of in accordance to our policies through the report system. This was redundant work that mostly just took time of my staff away from assisting other players with billing,account, and technical issues.   On average over the past 6 months, Rule Violations tickets were 30% of our incoming tickets, give or take a few hundred depending on the events. Our ticket income has more than doubled since last year, and many players are upset about our response times. Well if I can remove redundant work from my staff and allow them to get to other types of tickets faster, I see it as a Win/Win.    I'm sorry that many players feel that we aren't taking action, and yes I'm aware there is the possibility of rule violators slipping through the cracks or determining a way to exploit the system, but I promise that my team still investigates, by hand, and sets restrictions on players, by hand if the player has been found in violation of our rules. Just ask the players that have been hit improperly and had to send in a penalty appeal ticket, because yes, there is human error involved. I also know our system isn't perfect, yet, but we are working to improve it, and one of those improvements is developing methods to locate players that try to exploit the system. But I won't say how  Now I do urge the community to poke holes in the system, we need this, because without knowing where the armor is weak, we can't reinforce it. (like the fact that we don't have a report feature in the garage, so we still take tickets for this)   Edit: Sorry, for the edit, but the TK system is automated as this tracks friendly fire damage, the rest of the complaints menu is not, as physics abuse cannot be tracked this way. And now I think I see where there is a disconnect in our messaging about the Team Killing system and the complaints menu system, which, are separate entities. I will look this over and change the messaging where its needed. Sorry for confusion on this.

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Trevzor: Skirmish 19 Group Stage 2 Standings Top 25% of teams Top 50% of teams Bottom 50% of teams *Note: Standings are not final until after battles Group Stage rounds are finished.  Rank Team Name Total Points Earned Total Points Possible Win Ratio 1 onani master 36 36 1.000 2 -Liquid Myth- 34 36 0.944 3 ! Zouth Zpawn Bezt Zpawn 36 39 0.923 3 A Winter Is Coming 36 39 0.923 3 We Brought Muskets 36 39 0.923 6 BL4DE 33 36 0.917 7 ZooStation 33 39 0.846 8 Jet Fuel Can't Melt Dank Memes 30 36 0.833 9 Haruhiism 33 42 0.786 9 Team RamRod [EOD] 33 42 0.786 11 Uy nos salio clanwars la güeaaaa 28 36 0.778 12 Jik will carry us. 30 39 0.769 12 Pepes Chosen 30 39 0.769 12 Stallin' Guide My Shell 30 39 0.769 12 Stronk_Skrebs 30 39 0.769 12 -THM- 30 39 0.769 17 Catfish Petting Zoo 27 36 0.750 17 Imperial Guard 27 36 0.750 19 ninjas stole my tank 28 39 0.718 19 PENDING APPROVAL 28 39 0.718 19 Playroll Sealclubbers 28 39 0.718 22 DREAD 30 42 0.714 22 Red Rain 30 42 0.714 22 Silent Slayers 30 42 0.714 25 Fate's Chosen 27 39 0.692 25 NEVER JUDGE TACO BY PRICE 27 39 0.692 25 running_low_on_hitpoints 27 39 0.692 25 RUSHR 27 39 0.692 25 Sturm City Rollers 27 39 0.692 25 SVG 2.0 27 39 0.692 25 Ω Omega Ω 27 39 0.692 32 JaMbOn dans mijoteuse à Manon 24 36 0.667 32 Shanghai Knights 24 36 0.667 34 AGFR 27 42 0.643 34 Team Pickles 27 42 0.643 34 We are the NITES who say NET! 27 42 0.643 37 Blackjack and Hookers 24 39 0.615 37 noob patrol 24 39 0.615 37 -O_O- 24 39 0.615 37 SEUSA 24 39 0.615 41 Fenix 24 42 0.571 41 LOAC 24 42 0.571 41 Lucky 7 24 42 0.571 41 More Tears for the Coffer 24 42 0.571 41 POR southie 24 42 0.571 41 TankAddiction 24 42 0.571 47 Halibut Front 22 39 0.564 48 2 cool 2 play tier 2 2day 21 39 0.538 48 Crackers 21 39 0.538 48 los leales (MATE) 21 39 0.538 48 OMG! Los Manquitos 21 39 0.538 48 Tanks of Anarchy 21 39 0.538 48 The Dirty Dozen..or there abouts 21 39 0.538 48 The Recyclers 21 39 0.538 48 Wasn't That Funny Chuck? 21 39 0.538 56 1st North American 21 42 0.500 56 D is for DEAD 21 42 0.500 56 EH amigo alta-llanta 21 42 0.500 56 ERROR 404 21 42 0.500 56 Guerreros Jaguar 21 42 0.500 56 Ioruba & Azis Cavalo de troia 21 42 0.500 56 Stallions United 21 42 0.500 56 The Veterans 18 36 0.500 56 UPAQ_ALPHA 21 42 0.500 65 Destroyers 19 39 0.487 65 SALAD 19 39 0.487 67 das Zischen Hühner 18 39 0.462 67 Here be Tanks 18 39 0.462 67 Licking WINDOWS 18 39 0.462 70 Barnyard Boys 18 42 0.429 70 BOOOOMMM CHAKALAKAAAAA 18 42 0.429 70 DKAC A1 18 42 0.429 70 FUERZA TANQUISTA 18 42 0.429 70 No Pants, No Problem 18 42 0.429 70 TeNaCiTy 18 42 0.429 70 TIER 2 Tankagedon (49LSD) 18 42 0.429 70 VooDoo Xesy 18 42 0.429 70 Window_Lickers_Unite 18 42 0.429 79 Funbags 16 39 0.410 80 ! Friends and Furrs ! 15 39 0.385 80 TGA - The Ghost Army 15 39 0.385 80 THE AVENGERS 15 39 0.385 83 ✮WAR MACHINE✮ 16 42 0.381 83 Critical Mass 16 42 0.381 85 322nd 15 42 0.357 85 Baby Seals Against the Odds 15 42 0.357 85 bucket of bolts 15 42 0.357 85 Iron Horse Brigade 15 42 0.357 89 Hung like a ken doll 12 39 0.308 89 mancos al combate 12 39 0.308 89 TF-A no plans 12 39 0.308 92 Kill On Sight 12 42 0.286 92 RENB 12 42 0.286 92 T_U_C 12 42 0.286 95 TILLY 10 42 0.238 96 BZO 9 39 0.231 96 PLERTsk19 9 39 0.231 96 PSYCO 9 39 0.231 96 The Bananas To The Wall Host 9 39 0.231 100 ! cbl 9 42 0.214 100 Battle Bros 9 42 0.214 100 chocolate covered bananas 9 42 0.214 100 Droid_Army 9 42 0.214 100 RED_K sd 9 42 0.214 100 So Bad We Changed Our Names 9 42 0.214 106 Primera Divison Acorazada Latina 7 42 0.167 107 Smeshariki 6 39 0.154 108 ACORAZADOS ARGENTINOS 6 42 0.143 109 12 Monos 5 42 0.119 110 Caminhão do Leite 3 39 0.077 111 What is this Madness 3 42 0.071 112 RDWS 2 42 0.048 112 TEAM---LEON 2 42 0.048 112 We can melt steel beams 2 42 0.048 115 C4BR4GT 1 42 0.024

Koenig_Tiger:   My apologies for not replying in Spanish ( sadly its very poor ) , here in eSports we very much appreciate all our players and teams participation - and as a +30k player I fully understand and respect the effort that players and captains put in before and during tournies....- the current tournament looks solid and I will personally keep an eye on them for next few weeks ...   Keep tanking and good luck in your next Stand-To   brgds   KT    

Triple_Crown:   My apologies for not replying in Spanish ( sadly its very poor ) , here in eSports we very much appreciate all our players and teams participation - and as a +30k player I fully understand and respect the effort that players and captains put in before and during tournies....- the current tournament looks solid and I will personally keep an eye on them for next few weeks ...   Keep tanking and good luck in your next Stand-To   brgds   KT    

Triple_Crown:   My apologies for not replying in Spanish ( sadly its very poor ) , here in eSports we very much appreciate all our players and teams participation - and as a +30k player I fully understand and respect the effort that players and captains put in before and during tournies....- the current tournament looks solid and I will personally keep an eye on them for next few weeks ...   Keep tanking and good luck in your next Stand-To   brgds   KT    

The_Chieftain: Nope, I can't say that I do.

pizzastorm: Not sure where you heard this but I can tell you this is 100 percent false. Every ticket is handled by one of our support agents. Yes, sometimes they use automated responses, but only when they have decided that it is sufficient to address your issue.  

pizzastorm:   After reading through this thread, I can see that a lot of you feel that we have stopped enforcing our rules. This is not the case! Our system is currently undergoing a change and our support staff is working on a way where they can enforce these rules while also responding to all other support issues in a more timely manner.    I am inviting one of our support leads in here to explain the system a bit more and hopefully allay your concerns. 

Pigeon_of_War:   Updating crew is just a server sync, nothing to worry about. 

pizzastorm:   You have my +1 

pizzastorm:   Hello, sorry to hear that you are having issues on the West server.    Please feel free to contact our support team here - https://na.wargaming.net/support/Tickets/Submit/Index   We would like to find the cause of this issue and help you make sure it does not happen in the future.    If anyone else is experiencing this, please let me know as well.   Happy tanking.

The_Chieftain: The US took five Shermans to kill a captured French FT as well. Or a machinegun nest. Or a single rifleman.   Basically it didn't matter what the US went up again, they went around at a minimum in groups of five tanks. It was the standard platoon size, the smallest independent unit in the US organisation. So it may not have -needed- five tanks to kill a [Insert thing here] but it's what they used because it's what they brought. It's not as if they said "Hey, Bravo section, it's only a StuG. stay back there, and we'll give him a better chance with only 3:1 odds"   Going up against a platoon of four tanks? Bring a company of your own. About eighteen tanks. And so on. This is hardly damning, it's standard common sense.

The_Chieftain: The simpler way of doing it is to do what some historians have done and look up unit records. There's no indication of any Tiger II-equipped units being anywhere near that location.

Trevzor: Weekday Warfare 18 Group Stage Standings: Day 2 Top 16 by rank (including ties) teams move on to Rounds 4 + 5 Bottom 5% of teams by rank (including ties) are eliminated between rounds  *Note: Standings are not final until after battles Group Stage Round 3 is finished.  Rank Team Name Games Played Points Earned Points Possible Win Ratio 1 Can't lowblow the Shojo 14 39 42 0.929 1 Softness 14 39 42 0.929 3 Duty Free 14 37 42 0.881 4 Area 51 14 36 42 0.857 4 C.D.E 14 36 42 0.857 4 LUIGI 14 36 42 0.857 4 Ozy y sus secuaces T2s en llamas 14 36 42 0.857 4 Plebeians 14 36 42 0.857 4 Red Line Commandos 14 36 42 0.857 10 Cruiser Aurora 14 34 42 0.810 11 ERROR 404 14 33 42 0.786 12 All Cheats, No Skill 14 27 42 0.643 12 EMES 18 14 27 42 0.643 12 Lost in Space 14 27 42 0.643 15 NoAmmo 14 24 42 0.571 15 PUPEH 14 24 42 0.571 17 [KAMI] This We'll Defend 14 21 42 0.500 17 HAL_NoWeWontGO 14 21 42 0.500 17 LosChilesPicososYCalientes 14 21 42 0.500 17 StarshipTroopers 14 21 42 0.500 17 SteelRain 14 21 42 0.500 22 _TSA_ 14 18 42 0.429 22 ☠ Se deixa a gente ganha 14 18 42 0.429 22 69NY Lucky Clovers 14 18 42 0.429 22 Durex 14 18 42 0.429 26 -=4=- 14 12 42 0.286 26 Legion Acorazada Latina 14 12 42 0.286 26 LOS EXTRATERESTRES 14 12 42 0.286 26 mancos al combate 14 12 42 0.286 26 The Veterans 14 12 42 0.286 31 Come out fighting 14 9 42 0.214 31 Destiny [T-D] 14 9 42 0.214 31 RAM CHO 14 9 42 0.214 31 ROTA CAVALO DE TROIA! & AZIS 14 9 42 0.214 35 Poutine Patrol 14 6 42 0.143 36 32-PN 14 3 42 0.071

Koenig_Tiger: Guys, I checked through all the results and posts early this am and again apologize for the confusion caused by the 'mystery' scheduling  - we have an updated scheduling tool that may be causing issues and will be watching very carefully to try and avoid this being repeated.   Most teams were able to react to ' the first casualty of war being the plan...' and of course the tournie rules state the players accept they play the maps / tiers that are actually displayed  ...HOWEVER we have decided to extend the payouts so that we will pay out all teams that were in the top two with 1st place prizes , will pay the third placed teams with 2nd Place  prizes AND will make a bonus 3rd place equivalent payout to any other teams that achieved at least a 50% win ratio.    Please also note that on Memorial Day we are doubling the Gold Prizes !!   brgds   KT

Triple_Crown: Guys, I checked through all the results and posts early this am and again apologize for the confusion caused by the 'mystery' scheduling  - we have an updated scheduling tool that may be causing issues and will be watching very carefully to try and avoid this being repeated.   Most teams were able to react to ' the first casualty of war being the plan...' and of course the tournie rules state the players accept they play the maps / tiers that are actually displayed  ...HOWEVER we have decided to extend the payouts so that we will pay out all teams that were in the top two with 1st place prizes , will pay the third placed teams with 2nd Place  prizes AND will make a bonus 3rd place equivalent payout to any other teams that achieved at least a 50% win ratio.    Please also note that on Memorial Day we are doubling the Gold Prizes !!   brgds   KT

Triple_Crown: Guys, I checked through all the results and posts early this am and again apologize for the confusion caused by the 'mystery' scheduling  - we have an updated scheduling tool that may be causing issues and will be watching very carefully to try and avoid this being repeated.   Most teams were able to react to ' the first casualty of war being the plan...' and of course the tournie rules state the players accept they play the maps / tiers that are actually displayed  ...HOWEVER we have decided to extend the payouts so that we will pay out all teams that were in the top two with 1st place prizes , will pay the third placed teams with 2nd Place  prizes AND will make a bonus 3rd place equivalent payout to any other teams that achieved at least a 50% win ratio.    Please also note that on Memorial Day we are doubling the Gold Prizes !!   brgds   KT

dance210: Special battles works the same as normal, as there is no way to lock it so only the captain can move people or so that players can only move themselves.  

dance210: As of right now, no. Not every special tournament gives out tanks as a prize. Plus, all our tournaments are open to every player, so anyone has a chance

dance210: Special battles works the same as normal, as there is no way to lock it so only the captain can move people or so that players can only move themselves.  

dance210: As of right now, no. Not every special tournament gives out tanks as a prize. Plus, all our tournaments are open to every player, so anyone has a chance

dance210: Special battles works the same as normal, as there is no way to lock it so only the captain can move people or so that players can only move themselves.  

dance210: As of right now, no. Not every special tournament gives out tanks as a prize. Plus, all our tournaments are open to every player, so anyone has a chance

dance210: Special battles works the same as normal, as there is no way to lock it so only the captain can move people or so that players can only move themselves.  

dance210: As of right now, no. Not every special tournament gives out tanks as a prize. Plus, all our tournaments are open to every player, so anyone has a chance

Koenig_Tiger: Looks like a change was made that should have resulted in the battles being rescheduled - but they were not - very annoying  - has not been a good two days for the players or us - but it is now fixed and there should be no issues tomorrow or going forward....I  will personally ensure that we look after the teams and also that 100% correct this week...   KT

Triple_Crown: Looks like a change was made that should have resulted in the battles being rescheduled - but they were not - very annoying  - has not been a good two days for the players or us - but it is now fixed and there should be no issues tomorrow or going forward....I  will personally ensure that we look after the teams and also that 100% correct this week...   KT

Triple_Crown: Looks like a change was made that should have resulted in the battles being rescheduled - but they were not - very annoying  - has not been a good two days for the players or us - but it is now fixed and there should be no issues tomorrow or going forward....I  will personally ensure that we look after the teams and also that 100% correct this week...   KT

Yoott:   on a good note it will get handled in the order it came in   as Blackhorse said though do not reopen it, edit it, or else it goes to the back of the line again.   On another good note I bumped it to the CS powers that be.

Yoott:   on a good note it will get handled in the order it came in   as Blackhorse said though do not reopen it, edit it, or else it goes to the back of the line again.   On another good note I bumped it to the CS powers that be.

pizzastorm: Hello Tankers,   Next Friday we will be hosting our charity stream and we will be having two Q+A segments. One of these will be with the producers of our products and the other will be with veterans on our staff as well as possible guests.    If you have a question that you would like to see answered, please ask below!

pizzastorm: I've pinned this topic and am commenting to make sure as many people as possible see this.    If you are unsure if you were charged more than once by a recent purchase please send a ticket into our support team - https://na.wargaming.net/support/Tickets/Submit/Index    

Koenig_Tiger: Yep very difficult when you get no shows on your team ...it can take some time to put together a solid reliable squad together -  but when it clicks you can really have fun...hope that you sign up again and have some better luck - keep an eye out as we may run a x2 Gold tournie on Memorial Monday    KT

Triple_Crown: Yep very difficult when you get no shows on your team ...it can take some time to put together a solid reliable squad together -  but when it clicks you can really have fun...hope that you sign up again and have some better luck - keep an eye out as we may run a x2 Gold tournie on Memorial Monday    KT

Triple_Crown: Yep very difficult when you get no shows on your team ...it can take some time to put together a solid reliable squad together -  but when it clicks you can really have fun...hope that you sign up again and have some better luck - keep an eye out as we may run a x2 Gold tournie on Memorial Monday    KT