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Subject: En Camino Hacia el 113
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Torenico, on Sep 19 2014 - 14:57, said: Tengo todos los pesados chinos en el garage, me gustan todos,
tranquilamente puedo hacer el ontrack, pero como no tengo el Type y
por ende, no me va a dar oro.... Hagan un ontrack al Maus
asi compro el OP4502A .
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Torenico, on Sep 19 2014 - 14:57, said: Tengo todos los pesados chinos en el garage, me gustan todos,
tranquilamente puedo hacer el ontrack, pero como no tengo el Type y
por ende, no me va a dar oro.... Hagan un ontrack al Maus
asi compro el OP4502A .ElPozoleOlmeca: Notado!
Subject: En Camino Hacia el 113
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Torenico, on Sep 19 2014 - 14:57, said: Tengo todos los pesados chinos en el garage, me gustan todos,
tranquilamente puedo hacer el ontrack, pero como no tengo el Type y
por ende, no me va a dar oro.... Hagan un ontrack al Maus
asi compro el OP4502A .
Link on message: #7817817
Torenico, on Sep 19 2014 - 14:57, said: Tengo todos los pesados chinos en el garage, me gustan todos,
tranquilamente puedo hacer el ontrack, pero como no tengo el Type y
por ende, no me va a dar oro.... Hagan un ontrack al Maus
asi compro el OP4502A .PollotheDestroyer: Notado!
Subject: En Camino Hacia el 113
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Torenico, on Sep 19 2014 - 14:57, said: Tengo todos los pesados chinos en el garage, me gustan todos,
tranquilamente puedo hacer el ontrack, pero como no tengo el Type y
por ende, no me va a dar oro.... Hagan un ontrack al Maus
asi compro el OP4502A .
Link on message: #7817817
Torenico, on Sep 19 2014 - 14:57, said: Tengo todos los pesados chinos en el garage, me gustan todos,
tranquilamente puedo hacer el ontrack, pero como no tengo el Type y
por ende, no me va a dar oro.... Hagan un ontrack al Maus
asi compro el OP4502A .ApolloArtemis: Notado!
Subject: Gran Parada Militar en Honor a las Glorias del Ejercito de Chile
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SchnellerDamon:
quiero ver más! De todo los países
que celebran este mes y de los que me perdí en Junio/Julio!
Subject: Gran Parada Militar en Honor a las Glorias del Ejercito de Chile
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ElPozoleOlmeca:
quiero ver más! De todo los países
que celebran este mes y de los que me perdí en Junio/Julio!
PollotheDestroyer
Gran Parada Militar en Honor a las Glorias del Ejercito de Chile
20.09.2014 01:23:12
Subject: Gran Parada Militar en Honor a las Glorias del Ejercito de Chile
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PollotheDestroyer:
quiero ver más! De todo los países
que celebran este mes y de los que me perdí en Junio/Julio!
Subject: Gran Parada Militar en Honor a las Glorias del Ejercito de Chile
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ApolloArtemis:
quiero ver más! De todo los países
que celebran este mes y de los que me perdí en Junio/Julio!
Subject: T110's Second Summer of Love (And Tolerance)
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lostwingman, on Sep 17 2014 - 22:52, said:
I found this image.
Was this kind of thing
common?
Strv74, on Sep 18 2014 - 03:29, said: First game in M6 Und 90mm, I master it. I have a
feeling that I am getting into the realm of comfort.
Starne, on Sep 18 2014 - 04:13, said: Speaking of engines, is there an ETA on the M36 getting the
GAA yet?
WarriorOsprey, on Sep 18 2014 - 23:14, said: Tank...rallying? So I recently moved across the US(and am
now putting the finishing touches on my apartment and new vehicle)
and spotted what was either an M12 or an M40 off 80 going through
Nebraska in an outdoor museum. Sadly, we could not stop because I
noticed it...as we went past it. Shame.
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lostwingman, on Sep 17 2014 - 22:52, said:
I found this image.
Was this kind of thing
common?The_Chieftain: Yes, most casemated ships (at least on the lower decks) had
closable hatches on all the casemates, basically enforcing a
'stowed' position.
Strv74, on Sep 18 2014 - 03:29, said: First game in M6 Und 90mm, I master it. I have a
feeling that I am getting into the realm of comfort. The_Chieftain: I am perpetually surprised whenever I discover that a
Threaddite has not yet progressed well along the Path to Comfort.
Starne, on Sep 18 2014 - 04:13, said: Speaking of engines, is there an ETA on the M36 getting the
GAA yet?The_Chieftain: 9.5, 9.6, somewhere around there.
WarriorOsprey, on Sep 18 2014 - 23:14, said: Tank...rallying? So I recently moved across the US(and am
now putting the finishing touches on my apartment and new vehicle)
and spotted what was either an M12 or an M40 off 80 going through
Nebraska in an outdoor museum. Sadly, we could not stop because I
noticed it...as we went past it. Shame.The_Chieftain: Heartland Museum of Military Vehicles. It's indoors and out,
I discovered it the same way you did: By driving past it. (Same as
the SAC museum in Omaha). It's sortof been on my radar to go visit,
but I'm finding a hard time justifying the effort and expense given
where it is.
Subject: Rumble in the West Qualifiers
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Intet, on Sep 19 2014 - 13:31, said: I hate you. Q___Q
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Intet, on Sep 19 2014 - 13:31, said: I hate you. Q___Qdance210: I know...most people do. In fact, I'm pretty sure my
co-worker said that to me when I reminded him how the Group Stages
work 
Subject: Rumble in the West Qualifiers
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Intet, on Sep 19 2014 - 13:01, said: Will the map for each match in group stage1/2/3 be
random?
IE
1st match group stage 1 stepps
2nd match group stage 2 ensk
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Intet, on Sep 19 2014 - 13:01, said: Will the map for each match in group stage1/2/3 be
random?IE
1st match group stage 1 stepps
2nd match group stage 2 ensk
dance210: Yes, the idea is that each round within a Group Stage could
be a different map 
Subject: Historia militar: la gerra de las Flaklands
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SchnellerDamon: Me parece que este tema debe estar más en un foro de historia y no
en uno de videojuegos. Por ahora voy a dejar el hilo
existir pero si veo que hay más daño que aprendizaje lo
cierro.
Subject: New Clan Positions
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MadCatt, on Sep 19 2014 - 10:11, said: I'm not seeing other positions "Managing Strongholds" ...not
good.
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MadCatt, on Sep 19 2014 - 10:11, said: I'm not seeing other positions "Managing Strongholds" ...not
good.HBFT: Executive Officers will still have the ability to add/remove
zones, build/upgrade/destroy buildings, create/use reserves, in
addition to additional tasks in yet-to-be released versions.
"Create and manage Stronghold" for the CO
specifically denotes having sole access to Stronghold creation and
a number of upcoming features.
Subject: En Camino Hacia el 113
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SchnellerDamon: Como les va para este en camino?
Subject: En Camino Hacia el 113
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ElPozoleOlmeca: Como les va para este en camino?
Subject: En Camino Hacia el 113
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PollotheDestroyer: Como les va para este en camino?
Subject: En Camino Hacia el 113
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ApolloArtemis: Como les va para este en camino?
Subject: Clan Wars Landing Improvements
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HBFT: Thank you for the feedback. We will be sure to pass your
ideas along! :)
Subject: Sherman PR, 1942
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The_Chieftain:
Hidden in the depths of one of the back boxes of
Ordnance's archive materials is a small folder entitled "Press
Release." Given the contents of that folder, I can only assume that
the segments which follow had been extracted from field reports for
use in either the media, or Congress, to blow Ordnance's trumpet.
The purpose of the collection, however, and the fact that they are
generally all cherry-picked good stuff (the page for 1944 which I
may put up later does actually state some negatives), does not,
however, mean that the source information was wrong, or that the
people making the reports did not honestly mean what they said when
they reported them. So, in order that these words don't languish
unseen again by human eyes, I present them below as extract and
citation The entiire group below was collated December 11
1942. Confirmation has been received by reports from the Western
Desert, indicating great satisfaction with the M4 Medium Tank
(Sherman). The position of the main gun in the turret has made
possible the advantage of maximum cover in “hull down” position in
addition to good observation by the tank commander. There is
concrete evidence that the enemy tanks, including the special PzKw
IV (with the long-barrelled higher velocity 75mm gun) has been
destroyed up to ranges of 2,000 yards. All troops are indicating
that there should be more Shermans sent out at the earliest
opportunity. At the present moment there is no information
regarding the use of the stabilizer, and it is not expected that
this will be available early as it is still the policy to fire from
stationary ‘hull down’ position whenever the opportunity
permits. (Paraphrase of a cable received in Washington Nov 1
1942 from Major General, Middle East, to B.A.S. Washington).
Users are giving unstinted praised to all American equipment,
particularly M4, which embodies all desired improvements except
ideal gun sights. Would again stress it is vital we receive
earliest large numbers M4 regardless of the availability of tools
and spares for which we are prepared to wait. (Extracts from
Middle East Cable Q (AE) 63086) The Tanks M4 have made
a great impression on everyone, and the troops are thrilled with
them. The long gun is magnificent, both in accuracy and in
penetration, and the sights are evidently a considerable
improvement on the Grant. (Extract from letter to BAS
Washington from Major General, AFV, Middle East)
The Special Mk IV enemy tanks are being destroyed with
M61 ammunition at ranges up to 2,000 yards. According to first
reports from the Western Desert, the Shermans are excellent. There
is maximum concealment in the ‘hull down’ position and the
commander has good observation. The 105mm Gun Motor Carriages and
ammunition have proven very satisfactory. Although they have not
been used in a very mobile role as yet, great results are expected
in use against enemy guns. (Paraphrase of the Prime Minister’s
message to the President, October 30 1942) In continuance of
my last cable relating to the Medium Tank M4 (Sherman) further
reports confirm satisfaction. Emphasis is placed on the extremely
tough nature of the fighting during the period 24th to
28th October. Mines, anti-tank guns and very heavy
concentrations of artillery fire restricted tank movements until
such time as a combined infantry and tank attack on the night of
November 1st-2nd opened up a clear road. However, the period
of close fighting wore out the enemy’s armored and anti-tank gun
strength, so that our armor had a decisive superiority in the final
action between armor on the 4th November. Many of our tank
casualties were due to mines and shelling which affected the tracks
and suspensions only. Enemy APHE which penetrated our tanks caused
fuel and cordite fires. All evidence shows that gasoline causes an
instantaneous fire whilst diesel fuel ignites more slowly and gives
crew a better chance of evacuation. An investigation is in hand as
to whether many tanks might be saved if the ammunition bins are
more heavily armoured even at the expense of the number of rounds
carried. It is estimated that 50 medium tanks (M4) and 30 medium
tanks (M3) have been written off as damaged beyond repair. There
are 75 Medium Tanks (M4) and 60 Medium Tanks (M3) which have been
recovered and repairable. Exact figures will be sent when the
battlefield is cleared. Information to date shows that little use
was made of the stabilizer during the static fighting which is
described in paragraph 1. No information is on hand at present
regarding its use during the more mobile operations which have
taken place since that date.(Paraphrase of a cable from the Major
General, AFV Middle East, to the Director of Armored Fighting
Vehicles, War Office. Received 12 November 1942)
General Grant’s armor is most effective against 50mm
fire and this tank can outgun and reduce these smaller A/T guns
with ease. Considered at least equal to German Mk IV in all
respects (Paraphrase of cable from Cairo to Milid, No 1158,
June 21 1942 Captured German diary reads “Tommy is using an
American tank (M4 medium) which has incredible armor and very good
armament. (Paraphrase of cable from Cairo to Milid, No 1131,
June 15 1942) Crews loud in their praise of American
Mediums. I talked with tank commanders who claimed 8 German tanks
to their credit, and whose tank had been hit as high as 12 times by
50mm and even 88mm. (Paraphrase of cable from Cairo to Milid
no 1090, Part II, June 1 1942. Unofficial – American medium
tank is reported as magnificent. Crews have great confidence in
them. So far as reported, mediums have not been penetrated from the
front. By maneuver of artillery and 75mm of medium tanks 88mm A/T
guns have been silenced. (Paraphrase of cable from Cairo to
Milid no 1076, Part II, Mey 30 1942) Results of the test
show the (US M3 Light) tank to be highly satisfactory mechanically
for desert warfare (Extract from Tests and Modifications for
the US M3 light tank from the Mechanization Experimental
Establishment, Middle East)
The all round performance of the US M3 Medium Tank,
the light tank, the scout car and the Bantam car has been pleasing
to all the officers I have seen and talked to. (Paraphrase of cable
from Cairo dated March 31 1942, signed Fellers) The American
tank has done wonderfully well mechanically. They (The British in
the Middle East) have have very little trouble with it. (Extract
from Middle East Letter dated December 14 1941) The battle
performance of American M3 light tanks has proven superior to that
of the British cruiser tanks in the present Libyan campaign.
Official confirmation of this is given in the records of the
British 7th Armored Division. This superior performance of the
American M3 light tanks over the British cruiser tanks may have
been the primary cause of orders being issued for the destruction
of the official reports of the 4th Armored Brigade….
Unofficially, I have ascertained from British officers who found in
the November-December campaign that they have a preference for the
American tanks (Extract from paraphrase of secret message from
M.A. Cairo dated February 23 1942 and signed Fellers)
Mechanical failures were responsible for a large proportion of 104
tanks lost by this Brigade (2nd Armored) in its retirement
from MSUS, but only 1 American M4 was included in the group that
failed mechanically. (Extract from paraphrase of secred message
from M.A. Cairo dated March 18 1942 and signed Fellers)
According to Brigadier Gatehouse (commanding 4th Armored
Brigade, which operated 166 American M3 lgiht tanks) his American
tanks were engaged 23 times with German armored units between
November 19th and December 17th 1941. During this period
only 12 American tanks were lost due to mechanical failure, and the
tank far exceeded fondest expectations of the British. The American
tank is the most reliable tank on the Western Desert. (Notes
based on conversation of Brig Gatehouse with Lt Ahee on 21 February
1942) High ranking British tank officer of 4th Armored
Brigade reports 32 days of continuous battle operations, during
which time for care and maintenance was nil, with only 12
mechanical failures of US M3 light tanks. Said every officer and
man in his unit was enthusiastic about the Light Tank M3. He wants
American tanks and nothing else…. He is now prepared to accept the
tanks as they come from America without further modification. Even
though outranged by more powerful weapons, he had nothing but
praise for the 37mm gun…. He had 47 disabled tanks repaired and
returned to his unit by division maintenance personnel in the first
week of the campaign. First time in his career this had happened.
British tanks once out are out for the show. (Extract from
study written by Maj Joseph Colby, Ord Dept, on observations from
Libyan Theatre, December 1941) My British soldier driver,
who belongs to the 4th Hussars, confessed to me the British
soldiers all loathed the British cruiser and wanted only the
American tank. (Also Colby) All of the British
Personnel with whom I have talked are enthusiastic about the Grant
tank. (Obs of Colonel Purdue, June 11-June 19 1942). Under no
consideration should our tanks be modified to reduce the machine
gun fire-power which is frequently essential, is extremely
effective and with training can become deadly
accurate. (Comment in endorsement to Colby’s report by Col
Bonner F Feller, GSC, Military Attache)
Finally, there was a letter from the Soviets. Dear
General Christmas: I am very sorry for the delay in replying to
your letter of Oct. 20th, 1942 in regard to the performance of
American made tanks in our country. Undoubtedly you will understand
that since an article by an American correspondent, Leland Stowe,
was published in the newspapers, this question has become very
serious, and inasmuch as you asked us to give you our official
opinion, it was necessary for me to consider this question in
detail. Except for certain disadvantages which I mentioned in my
letter of August 11th, 1942, the American made tanks have
advantages which I would like to stress: 1. Good performance of
transmission and engine assembly. 2. Considerable firing power. 3.
Satisfactory armored protection of turret and front part of bow of
medium Tank M3. 4. Sufficient cruising range of Medium tank 5.
Satisfactory visibility. 6. Great mobility and good maneuverability
of Light Tank M3 which is due to the lightness of the engine.
It is well known that it is inpossible to design a universal
vehicle sufficient to meet every condition, and each one of
the existing tank models possesses some good features and some
disadvantages. It would not be right to come to a conclusion that
American made Tanks are not effective in our country. I feel
confident that the Mediun Tank M4A2 with diesel engine which we are
now getting upon arrival in the USSR will prove superior in combat
action to the Medium Tank M3 of an old design which we now have in
action in our country. I sincerely trust that the publishing of
Leland Stowe’s article will in no way influence your department
which is now at work on the designs of combat vehicles. Thanking
you for your co-operation, I am
Sincerely yours, I.
Belyaev Major General
Chairman, Soviet
Purchasing Commission in the United States. I would be
curious to read Mr Stowe's article, if anyone could track it down.
There was another collection of observations, dated at the end of
the war, but I'll come back to those. Track me down
on Facebook and
sometimes I even stream
on Twitch.
Hidden in the depths of one of the back boxes of
Ordnance's archive materials is a small folder entitled "Press
Release." Given the contents of that folder, I can only assume that
the segments which follow had been extracted from field reports for
use in either the media, or Congress, to blow Ordnance's trumpet.
The purpose of the collection, however, and the fact that they are
generally all cherry-picked good stuff (the page for 1944 which I
may put up later does actually state some negatives), does not,
however, mean that the source information was wrong, or that the
people making the reports did not honestly mean what they said when
they reported them. So, in order that these words don't languish
unseen again by human eyes, I present them below as extract and
citation The entiire group below was collated December 11
1942. Confirmation has been received by reports from the Western
Desert, indicating great satisfaction with the M4 Medium Tank
(Sherman). The position of the main gun in the turret has made
possible the advantage of maximum cover in “hull down” position in
addition to good observation by the tank commander. There is
concrete evidence that the enemy tanks, including the special PzKw
IV (with the long-barrelled higher velocity 75mm gun) has been
destroyed up to ranges of 2,000 yards. All troops are indicating
that there should be more Shermans sent out at the earliest
opportunity. At the present moment there is no information
regarding the use of the stabilizer, and it is not expected that
this will be available early as it is still the policy to fire from
stationary ‘hull down’ position whenever the opportunity
permits. (Paraphrase of a cable received in Washington Nov 1
1942 from Major General, Middle East, to B.A.S. Washington).
Users are giving unstinted praised to all American equipment,
particularly M4, which embodies all desired improvements except
ideal gun sights. Would again stress it is vital we receive
earliest large numbers M4 regardless of the availability of tools
and spares for which we are prepared to wait. (Extracts from
Middle East Cable Q (AE) 63086) The Tanks M4 have made
a great impression on everyone, and the troops are thrilled with
them. The long gun is magnificent, both in accuracy and in
penetration, and the sights are evidently a considerable
improvement on the Grant. (Extract from letter to BAS
Washington from Major General, AFV, Middle East)
The Special Mk IV enemy tanks are being destroyed with
M61 ammunition at ranges up to 2,000 yards. According to first
reports from the Western Desert, the Shermans are excellent. There
is maximum concealment in the ‘hull down’ position and the
commander has good observation. The 105mm Gun Motor Carriages and
ammunition have proven very satisfactory. Although they have not
been used in a very mobile role as yet, great results are expected
in use against enemy guns. (Paraphrase of the Prime Minister’s
message to the President, October 30 1942) In continuance of
my last cable relating to the Medium Tank M4 (Sherman) further
reports confirm satisfaction. Emphasis is placed on the extremely
tough nature of the fighting during the period 24th to
28th October. Mines, anti-tank guns and very heavy
concentrations of artillery fire restricted tank movements until
such time as a combined infantry and tank attack on the night of
November 1st-2nd opened up a clear road. However, the period
of close fighting wore out the enemy’s armored and anti-tank gun
strength, so that our armor had a decisive superiority in the final
action between armor on the 4th November. Many of our tank
casualties were due to mines and shelling which affected the tracks
and suspensions only. Enemy APHE which penetrated our tanks caused
fuel and cordite fires. All evidence shows that gasoline causes an
instantaneous fire whilst diesel fuel ignites more slowly and gives
crew a better chance of evacuation. An investigation is in hand as
to whether many tanks might be saved if the ammunition bins are
more heavily armoured even at the expense of the number of rounds
carried. It is estimated that 50 medium tanks (M4) and 30 medium
tanks (M3) have been written off as damaged beyond repair. There
are 75 Medium Tanks (M4) and 60 Medium Tanks (M3) which have been
recovered and repairable. Exact figures will be sent when the
battlefield is cleared. Information to date shows that little use
was made of the stabilizer during the static fighting which is
described in paragraph 1. No information is on hand at present
regarding its use during the more mobile operations which have
taken place since that date.(Paraphrase of a cable from the Major
General, AFV Middle East, to the Director of Armored Fighting
Vehicles, War Office. Received 12 November 1942)
General Grant’s armor is most effective against 50mm
fire and this tank can outgun and reduce these smaller A/T guns
with ease. Considered at least equal to German Mk IV in all
respects (Paraphrase of cable from Cairo to Milid, No 1158,
June 21 1942 Captured German diary reads “Tommy is using an
American tank (M4 medium) which has incredible armor and very good
armament. (Paraphrase of cable from Cairo to Milid, No 1131,
June 15 1942) Crews loud in their praise of American
Mediums. I talked with tank commanders who claimed 8 German tanks
to their credit, and whose tank had been hit as high as 12 times by
50mm and even 88mm. (Paraphrase of cable from Cairo to Milid
no 1090, Part II, June 1 1942. Unofficial – American medium
tank is reported as magnificent. Crews have great confidence in
them. So far as reported, mediums have not been penetrated from the
front. By maneuver of artillery and 75mm of medium tanks 88mm A/T
guns have been silenced. (Paraphrase of cable from Cairo to
Milid no 1076, Part II, Mey 30 1942) Results of the test
show the (US M3 Light) tank to be highly satisfactory mechanically
for desert warfare (Extract from Tests and Modifications for
the US M3 light tank from the Mechanization Experimental
Establishment, Middle East)
The all round performance of the US M3 Medium Tank,
the light tank, the scout car and the Bantam car has been pleasing
to all the officers I have seen and talked to. (Paraphrase of cable
from Cairo dated March 31 1942, signed Fellers) The American
tank has done wonderfully well mechanically. They (The British in
the Middle East) have have very little trouble with it. (Extract
from Middle East Letter dated December 14 1941) The battle
performance of American M3 light tanks has proven superior to that
of the British cruiser tanks in the present Libyan campaign.
Official confirmation of this is given in the records of the
British 7th Armored Division. This superior performance of the
American M3 light tanks over the British cruiser tanks may have
been the primary cause of orders being issued for the destruction
of the official reports of the 4th Armored Brigade….
Unofficially, I have ascertained from British officers who found in
the November-December campaign that they have a preference for the
American tanks (Extract from paraphrase of secret message from
M.A. Cairo dated February 23 1942 and signed Fellers)
Mechanical failures were responsible for a large proportion of 104
tanks lost by this Brigade (2nd Armored) in its retirement
from MSUS, but only 1 American M4 was included in the group that
failed mechanically. (Extract from paraphrase of secred message
from M.A. Cairo dated March 18 1942 and signed Fellers)
According to Brigadier Gatehouse (commanding 4th Armored
Brigade, which operated 166 American M3 lgiht tanks) his American
tanks were engaged 23 times with German armored units between
November 19th and December 17th 1941. During this period
only 12 American tanks were lost due to mechanical failure, and the
tank far exceeded fondest expectations of the British. The American
tank is the most reliable tank on the Western Desert. (Notes
based on conversation of Brig Gatehouse with Lt Ahee on 21 February
1942) High ranking British tank officer of 4th Armored
Brigade reports 32 days of continuous battle operations, during
which time for care and maintenance was nil, with only 12
mechanical failures of US M3 light tanks. Said every officer and
man in his unit was enthusiastic about the Light Tank M3. He wants
American tanks and nothing else…. He is now prepared to accept the
tanks as they come from America without further modification. Even
though outranged by more powerful weapons, he had nothing but
praise for the 37mm gun…. He had 47 disabled tanks repaired and
returned to his unit by division maintenance personnel in the first
week of the campaign. First time in his career this had happened.
British tanks once out are out for the show. (Extract from
study written by Maj Joseph Colby, Ord Dept, on observations from
Libyan Theatre, December 1941) My British soldier driver,
who belongs to the 4th Hussars, confessed to me the British
soldiers all loathed the British cruiser and wanted only the
American tank. (Also Colby) All of the British
Personnel with whom I have talked are enthusiastic about the Grant
tank. (Obs of Colonel Purdue, June 11-June 19 1942). Under no
consideration should our tanks be modified to reduce the machine
gun fire-power which is frequently essential, is extremely
effective and with training can become deadly
accurate. (Comment in endorsement to Colby’s report by Col
Bonner F Feller, GSC, Military Attache)
Finally, there was a letter from the Soviets. Dear
General Christmas: I am very sorry for the delay in replying to
your letter of Oct. 20th, 1942 in regard to the performance of
American made tanks in our country. Undoubtedly you will understand
that since an article by an American correspondent, Leland Stowe,
was published in the newspapers, this question has become very
serious, and inasmuch as you asked us to give you our official
opinion, it was necessary for me to consider this question in
detail. Except for certain disadvantages which I mentioned in my
letter of August 11th, 1942, the American made tanks have
advantages which I would like to stress: 1. Good performance of
transmission and engine assembly. 2. Considerable firing power. 3.
Satisfactory armored protection of turret and front part of bow of
medium Tank M3. 4. Sufficient cruising range of Medium tank 5.
Satisfactory visibility. 6. Great mobility and good maneuverability
of Light Tank M3 which is due to the lightness of the engine.
It is well known that it is inpossible to design a universal
vehicle sufficient to meet every condition, and each one of
the existing tank models possesses some good features and some
disadvantages. It would not be right to come to a conclusion that
American made Tanks are not effective in our country. I feel
confident that the Mediun Tank M4A2 with diesel engine which we are
now getting upon arrival in the USSR will prove superior in combat
action to the Medium Tank M3 of an old design which we now have in
action in our country. I sincerely trust that the publishing of
Leland Stowe’s article will in no way influence your department
which is now at work on the designs of combat vehicles. Thanking
you for your co-operation, I am
Sincerely yours, I.
Belyaev Major General
Chairman, Soviet
Purchasing Commission in the United States. I would be
curious to read Mr Stowe's article, if anyone could track it down.
There was another collection of observations, dated at the end of
the war, but I'll come back to those. Track me down
on Facebook and
sometimes I even stream
on Twitch.
Subject: Novas Posições em Clãs
Link on message: #7816347
Link on message: #7816347
Content_WG: Com a Atualização 9.3, estão chegando algumas alterações nas
posições dentro dos Clãs!
Texto completo da notícia
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Subject: CONCURSOS
Link on message: #7816307
alejandromagnoo, on Sep 19 2014 - 09:49, said: Una recomendación, podría considerar si armar el calendario, pero
de antemano colocar concursos rápidos y concursos complejos, (un
pantallazo del juego pidiendo algo.. es fácil y rápido) / (armar
una maqueta/dibujo/algo armado, no lo es, es tardado) Y como
participantes tener eso en cuenta, para saber cuando estarán los
concursos fuertes e ir equilibrando por su parte la temática.
Cíclica la mecánica, pero no repetitivas las opciones.
También creo importante mencionar o a menos que así lo consideren
que un jugador puede participar y ganar 1 premio cada cierto
tiempo, o si gana un premio, no puede participar en el siguiente...
o 2 siguientes, etc. De está manera pueden participar más jugadores
y ver recompensados los esfuerzos y no siempre estar ganando los
mismos. :) Si lo ponen en las reglas de inicio, nadie podrá
reclamar.
Link on message: #7816307
alejandromagnoo, on Sep 19 2014 - 09:49, said: Una recomendación, podría considerar si armar el calendario, pero
de antemano colocar concursos rápidos y concursos complejos, (un
pantallazo del juego pidiendo algo.. es fácil y rápido) / (armar
una maqueta/dibujo/algo armado, no lo es, es tardado) Y como
participantes tener eso en cuenta, para saber cuando estarán los
concursos fuertes e ir equilibrando por su parte la temática.
Cíclica la mecánica, pero no repetitivas las opciones.
También creo importante mencionar o a menos que así lo consideren
que un jugador puede participar y ganar 1 premio cada cierto
tiempo, o si gana un premio, no puede participar en el siguiente...
o 2 siguientes, etc. De está manera pueden participar más jugadores
y ver recompensados los esfuerzos y no siempre estar ganando los
mismos. :) Si lo ponen en las reglas de inicio, nadie podrá
reclamar. SchnellerDamon: Me gusta tu primera parte y la voy a tomar en
cuenta
Lo segundo tendrá que platicar
con mis compañeros y ver que dicen pero una buena idea.
Subject: CONCURSOS
Link on message: #7816307
alejandromagnoo, on Sep 19 2014 - 09:49, said: Una recomendación, podría considerar si armar el calendario, pero
de antemano colocar concursos rápidos y concursos complejos, (un
pantallazo del juego pidiendo algo.. es fácil y rápido) / (armar
una maqueta/dibujo/algo armado, no lo es, es tardado) Y como
participantes tener eso en cuenta, para saber cuando estarán los
concursos fuertes e ir equilibrando por su parte la temática.
Cíclica la mecánica, pero no repetitivas las opciones.
También creo importante mencionar o a menos que así lo consideren
que un jugador puede participar y ganar 1 premio cada cierto
tiempo, o si gana un premio, no puede participar en el siguiente...
o 2 siguientes, etc. De está manera pueden participar más jugadores
y ver recompensados los esfuerzos y no siempre estar ganando los
mismos. :) Si lo ponen en las reglas de inicio, nadie podrá
reclamar.
Link on message: #7816307
alejandromagnoo, on Sep 19 2014 - 09:49, said: Una recomendación, podría considerar si armar el calendario, pero
de antemano colocar concursos rápidos y concursos complejos, (un
pantallazo del juego pidiendo algo.. es fácil y rápido) / (armar
una maqueta/dibujo/algo armado, no lo es, es tardado) Y como
participantes tener eso en cuenta, para saber cuando estarán los
concursos fuertes e ir equilibrando por su parte la temática.
Cíclica la mecánica, pero no repetitivas las opciones.
También creo importante mencionar o a menos que así lo consideren
que un jugador puede participar y ganar 1 premio cada cierto
tiempo, o si gana un premio, no puede participar en el siguiente...
o 2 siguientes, etc. De está manera pueden participar más jugadores
y ver recompensados los esfuerzos y no siempre estar ganando los
mismos. :) Si lo ponen en las reglas de inicio, nadie podrá
reclamar. ElPozoleOlmeca: Me gusta tu primera parte y la voy a tomar en
cuenta
Lo segundo tendrá que platicar
con mis compañeros y ver que dicen pero una buena idea.
Subject: CONCURSOS
Link on message: #7816307
alejandromagnoo, on Sep 19 2014 - 09:49, said: Una recomendación, podría considerar si armar el calendario, pero
de antemano colocar concursos rápidos y concursos complejos, (un
pantallazo del juego pidiendo algo.. es fácil y rápido) / (armar
una maqueta/dibujo/algo armado, no lo es, es tardado) Y como
participantes tener eso en cuenta, para saber cuando estarán los
concursos fuertes e ir equilibrando por su parte la temática.
Cíclica la mecánica, pero no repetitivas las opciones.
También creo importante mencionar o a menos que así lo consideren
que un jugador puede participar y ganar 1 premio cada cierto
tiempo, o si gana un premio, no puede participar en el siguiente...
o 2 siguientes, etc. De está manera pueden participar más jugadores
y ver recompensados los esfuerzos y no siempre estar ganando los
mismos. :) Si lo ponen en las reglas de inicio, nadie podrá
reclamar.
Link on message: #7816307
alejandromagnoo, on Sep 19 2014 - 09:49, said: Una recomendación, podría considerar si armar el calendario, pero
de antemano colocar concursos rápidos y concursos complejos, (un
pantallazo del juego pidiendo algo.. es fácil y rápido) / (armar
una maqueta/dibujo/algo armado, no lo es, es tardado) Y como
participantes tener eso en cuenta, para saber cuando estarán los
concursos fuertes e ir equilibrando por su parte la temática.
Cíclica la mecánica, pero no repetitivas las opciones.
También creo importante mencionar o a menos que así lo consideren
que un jugador puede participar y ganar 1 premio cada cierto
tiempo, o si gana un premio, no puede participar en el siguiente...
o 2 siguientes, etc. De está manera pueden participar más jugadores
y ver recompensados los esfuerzos y no siempre estar ganando los
mismos. :) Si lo ponen en las reglas de inicio, nadie podrá
reclamar. PollotheDestroyer: Me gusta tu primera parte y la voy a tomar en
cuenta
Lo segundo tendrá que platicar
con mis compañeros y ver que dicen pero una buena idea.
Subject: CONCURSOS
Link on message: #7816307
alejandromagnoo, on Sep 19 2014 - 09:49, said: Una recomendación, podría considerar si armar el calendario, pero
de antemano colocar concursos rápidos y concursos complejos, (un
pantallazo del juego pidiendo algo.. es fácil y rápido) / (armar
una maqueta/dibujo/algo armado, no lo es, es tardado) Y como
participantes tener eso en cuenta, para saber cuando estarán los
concursos fuertes e ir equilibrando por su parte la temática.
Cíclica la mecánica, pero no repetitivas las opciones.
También creo importante mencionar o a menos que así lo consideren
que un jugador puede participar y ganar 1 premio cada cierto
tiempo, o si gana un premio, no puede participar en el siguiente...
o 2 siguientes, etc. De está manera pueden participar más jugadores
y ver recompensados los esfuerzos y no siempre estar ganando los
mismos. :) Si lo ponen en las reglas de inicio, nadie podrá
reclamar.
Link on message: #7816307
alejandromagnoo, on Sep 19 2014 - 09:49, said: Una recomendación, podría considerar si armar el calendario, pero
de antemano colocar concursos rápidos y concursos complejos, (un
pantallazo del juego pidiendo algo.. es fácil y rápido) / (armar
una maqueta/dibujo/algo armado, no lo es, es tardado) Y como
participantes tener eso en cuenta, para saber cuando estarán los
concursos fuertes e ir equilibrando por su parte la temática.
Cíclica la mecánica, pero no repetitivas las opciones.
También creo importante mencionar o a menos que así lo consideren
que un jugador puede participar y ganar 1 premio cada cierto
tiempo, o si gana un premio, no puede participar en el siguiente...
o 2 siguientes, etc. De está manera pueden participar más jugadores
y ver recompensados los esfuerzos y no siempre estar ganando los
mismos. :) Si lo ponen en las reglas de inicio, nadie podrá
reclamar. ApolloArtemis: Me gusta tu primera parte y la voy a tomar en
cuenta
Lo segundo tendrá que platicar
con mis compañeros y ver que dicen pero una buena idea.
Subject: The US Army Tests Firefly
Link on message: #7816258
Quote What proof is required, the superior penetration is a matter of fact and history. The utility of that penetration on the battle field is a matter of common sense.
Link on message: #7816258
Quote What proof is required, the superior penetration is a matter of fact and history. The utility of that penetration on the battle field is a matter of common sense.
The_Chieftain: Unfortunately, so is the 76mm's superior accuracy. Now, I
happen to believe that, from the dispersion figures, 17pr APCPC is
accurate enough for general purposes, if not as good as
76mm. Much as 76mm APC is powerful enough for
general purposes, if not as good as 17pr. However, if
you are to base your argument on the basis of certain limited
situations which would make it so the M4 76mm likely
would not kill, but Firefly would likely get the
kill, you must also accept certain other limited situations,
such as engaging a fleeting, moving target at distance.
M4 76mm's better accuracy, ease of lay and adjustment,
and rate of fire will similarly result, in those rare enough
circumstances, in the M4 (76) occasionally getting tank kills
which the Firefly would not. Overall, I submit, it's something of a
wash, with a slight nod towards Firefly. Once HVAP came along, that
wash becomes a definite nod towards the 76mm tank. As a design, as
the engineers drew up and built the thing and taking into account
the targets it faced, I submit 76mm was at least as good a
tank killer in general WWII terms (Frankly, I think better), and
only in certain very specific circumstances would an
end-of-war Firefly crew be the one better off, circumstances
which rarely presented themselves. As an overall tank,
there's little argument in favour of Firefly. As for
-reputation-, the question is if one should confuse the tank's
design with the administrative decisions behind fielding it.
Reputations usually have a grain of truth behind them, but rarely
the whole story. Firefly was the best tank-killing tank
fielded in combat by the Allies in June 1944. There's no two
ways about it, there was nothing else the Allies fielded which was
even close (except TDs). Or, if you want to put it another
way, "When the Western Allies finally met the Panther, Firefly was
the only Allied tank present which could meet it on more or
less even terms". This is all true, and, combined with a
wargamer's insistence on looking at penetration charts, created the
reputation. But this is because of the thousands of M4(76) built by
that stage, nobody thought they might want to bring a single one
along with them. This created a second reputation: That of the tank
destroyers. "American tanks couldn't handle the tanks, so relied on
Tank Destroyers to do the job". Despite the fact that the TDs fired
exactly the same projectiles as the 76mm M4s, so if the TDs
could do the job, it stands to reason that M4 76mm could do it as
well. Basically, due to the administrative decisions of
commanders, 76mm M4 was never given the opportunity to
establish a reputation for itself. This has little to do with its
inherent comparative capabilities or its design.
Subject: New Clan Positions
Link on message: #7816200
Link on message: #7816200
Content_WG: Changes are coming to the positions within a Clan in Update
9.3!
Full news text
Note: As Strongholds
continues to improve and add new features, they will be added to
this table in the future. Note 2: Even though the permissions for
it are present on this table, we currently have no intention of
activating the "Subversions" feature on the Global Map on the NA
server.
Full news text
Note: As Strongholds
continues to improve and add new features, they will be added to
this table in the future. Note 2: Even though the permissions for
it are present on this table, we currently have no intention of
activating the "Subversions" feature on the Global Map on the NA
server.
Subject: WGLNA Open Exhibition
Link on message: #7815934
1Ghost_Rider, on Sep 19 2014 - 07:22, said: Dance, Will it be the same group as Monday, or are you going to
change it up a little?
Link on message: #7815934
1Ghost_Rider, on Sep 19 2014 - 07:22, said: Dance, Will it be the same group as Monday, or are you going to
change it up a little?dance210: They'll be changed up a bit. Some of the league teams
will face the same teams, simple because there are only so many
Gold/Silver teams and Bronze/Open teams.
Subject: Discussion: WGLNA Open League, Summer 2014
Link on message: #7813621
British_Fire_Power, on Sep 18 2014 - 16:37, said: If we play 2 weeks, we will get 66% of the gold prize right? Silly
question I know but someone wants conformation.
Link on message: #7813621
British_Fire_Power, on Sep 18 2014 - 16:37, said: If we play 2 weeks, we will get 66% of the gold prize right? Silly
question I know but someone wants conformation.dance210: 1. I think you're in the wrong topic ;) 2. Assuming
you're talking about the Open Exhibition, yes, if a player is on
the team for two weeks, they will receive 66% of the overall prize.
That's assuming the team played in 3 weeks. If the
team only played in 2 weeks, then the players receive 100% of the
prize.
Subject: Hunt the Winners Event Results
Link on message: #7813503
Allu_o7o7o7, on Sep 18 2014 - 16:20, said: Also Hyp, I fixed a few typo's in the OP for you:
Link on message: #7813503
Allu_o7o7o7, on Sep 18 2014 - 16:20, said: Also Hyp, I fixed a few typo's in the OP for you:
Hypnotik: I knew I should've used spellcheck.
Subject: Tank Rally Preview Trailer
Link on message: #7813181
Link on message: #7813181
pizzastorm: I am also looking forward to this mode. I'm sure we
will be challenging the community to some races 
Subject: Misiones Mensuales : Septiembre
Link on message: #7813166
diego999, on Sep 18 2014 - 14:04, said: Esperando las misiones de octubre 
Link on message: #7813166
diego999, on Sep 18 2014 - 14:04, said: Esperando las misiones de octubre SchnellerDamon:
bueno, por lo menos los
intentaste?
Subject: Misiones Mensuales : Septiembre
Link on message: #7813166
diego999, on Sep 18 2014 - 14:04, said: Esperando las misiones de octubre 
Link on message: #7813166
diego999, on Sep 18 2014 - 14:04, said: Esperando las misiones de octubre ElPozoleOlmeca:
bueno, por lo menos los
intentaste?
Subject: Misiones Mensuales : Septiembre
Link on message: #7813166
diego999, on Sep 18 2014 - 14:04, said: Esperando las misiones de octubre 
Link on message: #7813166
diego999, on Sep 18 2014 - 14:04, said: Esperando las misiones de octubre PollotheDestroyer:
bueno, por lo menos los
intentaste?
Subject: Misiones Mensuales : Septiembre
Link on message: #7813166
diego999, on Sep 18 2014 - 14:04, said: Esperando las misiones de octubre 
Link on message: #7813166
diego999, on Sep 18 2014 - 14:04, said: Esperando las misiones de octubre ApolloArtemis:
bueno, por lo menos los
intentaste?
Subject: Hunt the Winners Event Results
Link on message: #7813133
Link on message: #7813133
Hypnotik: You may have recently seen several players running around in
sheriff accounts in the WINNR
clan - these were the winners of the
Summer 2014 Clan Invitational Tournament, the OTTER
clan. After 2 weeks, the event has finished, and here's a
few stats for you guys: After 13,092 battles: 8578 Wins 4380
Defeats 134 66% 33% 1% Over 1,950,000 gold was
distributed: (250 per match sheriff kill, once per match per
player) Survived 5,226 times (40%) Destroyed 7,866 times (60%)
If the wins weren't enough, they've shown that they can
really help carry a match with their 1.89 Damage Ratio 23,340,073
Damage Dealt 12,350,220 Damage Received And here are a few
additional interesting statistics that the WINNR clan built up over
these two weeks: 205,473 Shots Fired 10,745,361
Experience Earned 9,324/7,922 Capture/Defense Points Individual Player Accomplishments (yeah, Pat did a lot...) Most Battles Played patreal2000 640 Battles Most Kills patreal2000 920 Kills Most Experience Earned patreal2000 505,305 XP Earned Most Deaths patreal2000 327 Deaths Highest Survival Rate Vorkosigan Survived 62% of his 140 battles Lowest Survival Rate MrMysterious Died in (and paid out!) 83% of his 58 battles Most XP/Battle AkulaV 1039 XP/Battle on average after 272 battles Highest Damage Ratio Cowfang In 103 battles, he dealt 4.08x more damage than he received Highest Win Ratio canadianimpact Won 79% of his 99 battles These accomplishments only reflect data for players who have played 20 or more battles. Players in OTTER - if you'd like to check your individual statistics, your account stats have been unlocked on the portal (until the accounts are deleted). Your commander has also been given a detailed statsheet for this event. Congratulations to everyone who won gold in this event, and thank you again to the players of OTTER!
Experience Earned 9,324/7,922 Capture/Defense Points Individual Player Accomplishments (yeah, Pat did a lot...) Most Battles Played patreal2000 640 Battles Most Kills patreal2000 920 Kills Most Experience Earned patreal2000 505,305 XP Earned Most Deaths patreal2000 327 Deaths Highest Survival Rate Vorkosigan Survived 62% of his 140 battles Lowest Survival Rate MrMysterious Died in (and paid out!) 83% of his 58 battles Most XP/Battle AkulaV 1039 XP/Battle on average after 272 battles Highest Damage Ratio Cowfang In 103 battles, he dealt 4.08x more damage than he received Highest Win Ratio canadianimpact Won 79% of his 99 battles These accomplishments only reflect data for players who have played 20 or more battles. Players in OTTER - if you'd like to check your individual statistics, your account stats have been unlocked on the portal (until the accounts are deleted). Your commander has also been given a detailed statsheet for this event. Congratulations to everyone who won gold in this event, and thank you again to the players of OTTER!
Subject: Skirmish 36
Link on message: #7813104
finn78, on Sep 18 2014 - 15:13, said: my team for bravo registration is still pending approval and
battles start tomorrow?
Link on message: #7813104
finn78, on Sep 18 2014 - 15:13, said: my team for bravo registration is still pending approval and
battles start tomorrow?dance210: Your team will remain in Pending Approval until Registration
is closed, which will likely be tomorrow morning :)
Subject: Tank Rally Preview Trailer
Link on message: #7812097
Link on message: #7812097
Content_WG: Are you ready for a fun new game mode? Watch the trailer now!
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Subject: Can't fire!
Link on message: #7812092
ArIskandir, on Sep 16 2014 - 14:50, said: isn't this section called In-Game Bug Reporting?
Link on message: #7812092
ArIskandir, on Sep 16 2014 - 14:50, said: isn't this section called In-Game Bug Reporting?Pigeon_of_War: Indeed, but without a visual of this plus some information,
verifying the bug becomes difficult. Send us the replay plus
you DxDiag, python logs, and WOTLauncher logs to Tech Support.
Subject: Medal Description Bugged On Test Server
Link on message: #7812040
Link on message: #7812040
Pigeon_of_War: Not a bug, it's because the awards have not been fully implemented
on on the Test Server yet.
Subject: CONCURSOS
Link on message: #7811665
Ozymandias_, on Sep 16 2014 - 06:59, said: Hace 34 días (y contando) que inicio el anterior concurso,
espaciándose cada ves mas en el calendario, ya que el anterior tomó
33 días, el anterior a ese 16 días y hasta el primer concurso de
MASCARAS 14 días. ¿Cual es la idea de hacer concursos? Si
era hacer que la comunidad este mas atenta al foro, lo lograron ya
que el último concurso fue un éxito de participación.
¿Entonces para que hacer concursos mas seguido si se cumple el
objetivo distanciándolos cada vez más? Es que su logro de tener una
comunidad mas activa en el foro crea una comunidad mas demandante.
Este post es para sugerir y animar a los administradores que
continuemos con este circulo virtuoso y sean mas contantes con los
concursos.
Link on message: #7811665
Ozymandias_, on Sep 16 2014 - 06:59, said: Hace 34 días (y contando) que inicio el anterior concurso,
espaciándose cada ves mas en el calendario, ya que el anterior tomó
33 días, el anterior a ese 16 días y hasta el primer concurso de
MASCARAS 14 días. ¿Cual es la idea de hacer concursos? Si
era hacer que la comunidad este mas atenta al foro, lo lograron ya
que el último concurso fue un éxito de participación.
¿Entonces para que hacer concursos mas seguido si se cumple el
objetivo distanciándolos cada vez más? Es que su logro de tener una
comunidad mas activa en el foro crea una comunidad mas demandante.
Este post es para sugerir y animar a los administradores que
continuemos con este circulo virtuoso y sean mas contantes con los
concursos. SchnellerDamon: Tomaré nota de tu mensaje, como dije en el otro hilo. Estamos
trabajando sobre un calendario ya fijo para que todos no tengan que
adivinar cuando va ser el proximo concurso. Si tienes cualquier
otra pregunta por favor dejanos saber.
Subject: CONCURSOS
Link on message: #7811665
Ozymandias_, on Sep 16 2014 - 06:59, said: Hace 34 días (y contando) que inicio el anterior concurso,
espaciándose cada ves mas en el calendario, ya que el anterior tomó
33 días, el anterior a ese 16 días y hasta el primer concurso de
MASCARAS 14 días. ¿Cual es la idea de hacer concursos? Si
era hacer que la comunidad este mas atenta al foro, lo lograron ya
que el último concurso fue un éxito de participación.
¿Entonces para que hacer concursos mas seguido si se cumple el
objetivo distanciándolos cada vez más? Es que su logro de tener una
comunidad mas activa en el foro crea una comunidad mas demandante.
Este post es para sugerir y animar a los administradores que
continuemos con este circulo virtuoso y sean mas contantes con los
concursos.
Link on message: #7811665
Ozymandias_, on Sep 16 2014 - 06:59, said: Hace 34 días (y contando) que inicio el anterior concurso,
espaciándose cada ves mas en el calendario, ya que el anterior tomó
33 días, el anterior a ese 16 días y hasta el primer concurso de
MASCARAS 14 días. ¿Cual es la idea de hacer concursos? Si
era hacer que la comunidad este mas atenta al foro, lo lograron ya
que el último concurso fue un éxito de participación.
¿Entonces para que hacer concursos mas seguido si se cumple el
objetivo distanciándolos cada vez más? Es que su logro de tener una
comunidad mas activa en el foro crea una comunidad mas demandante.
Este post es para sugerir y animar a los administradores que
continuemos con este circulo virtuoso y sean mas contantes con los
concursos. ElPozoleOlmeca: Tomaré nota de tu mensaje, como dije en el otro hilo. Estamos
trabajando sobre un calendario ya fijo para que todos no tengan que
adivinar cuando va ser el proximo concurso. Si tienes cualquier
otra pregunta por favor dejanos saber.
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