The US Army Tests Firefly
Дата: 19.09.2014 19:46:58
Quote What proof is required, the superior penetration is a matter of
fact and history. The utility of that penetration on the
battle field is a matter of common sense.
The_Chieftain: Unfortunately, so is the 76mm's superior accuracy. Now, I
happen to believe that, from the dispersion figures, 17pr APCPC is
accurate enough for general purposes, if not as good as
76mm. Much as 76mm APC is powerful enough for
general purposes, if not as good as 17pr. However, if
you are to base your argument on the basis of certain limited
situations which would make it so the M4 76mm likely
would not kill, but Firefly would likely get the
kill, you must also accept certain other limited situations,
such as engaging a fleeting, moving target at distance.
M4 76mm's better accuracy, ease of lay and adjustment,
and rate of fire will similarly result, in those rare enough
circumstances, in the M4 (76) occasionally getting tank kills
which the Firefly would not. Overall, I submit, it's something of a
wash, with a slight nod towards Firefly. Once HVAP came along, that
wash becomes a definite nod towards the 76mm tank. As a design, as
the engineers drew up and built the thing and taking into account
the targets it faced, I submit 76mm was at least as good a
tank killer in general WWII terms (Frankly, I think better), and
only in certain very specific circumstances would an
end-of-war Firefly crew be the one better off, circumstances
which rarely presented themselves. As an overall tank,
there's little argument in favour of Firefly. As for
-reputation-, the question is if one should confuse the tank's
design with the administrative decisions behind fielding it.
Reputations usually have a grain of truth behind them, but rarely
the whole story. Firefly was the best tank-killing tank
fielded in combat by the Allies in June 1944. There's no two
ways about it, there was nothing else the Allies fielded which was
even close (except TDs). Or, if you want to put it another
way, "When the Western Allies finally met the Panther, Firefly was
the only Allied tank present which could meet it on more or
less even terms". This is all true, and, combined with a
wargamer's insistence on looking at penetration charts, created the
reputation. But this is because of the thousands of M4(76) built by
that stage, nobody thought they might want to bring a single one
along with them. This created a second reputation: That of the tank
destroyers. "American tanks couldn't handle the tanks, so relied on
Tank Destroyers to do the job". Despite the fact that the TDs fired
exactly the same projectiles as the 76mm M4s, so if the TDs
could do the job, it stands to reason that M4 76mm could do it as
well. Basically, due to the administrative decisions of
commanders, 76mm M4 was never given the opportunity to
establish a reputation for itself. This has little to do with its
inherent comparative capabilities or its design.
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