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Subject: Exercise Dracula
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Anlushac11, on Jul 07 2014 - 01:34, said: I knew the M4-105's operated with Sherman Battalions but I thought
they were arty units assigned to the Sherman battalions as fire
support. My bad.
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Anlushac11, on Jul 07 2014 - 01:34, said: I knew the M4-105's operated with Sherman Battalions but I thought
they were arty units assigned to the Sherman battalions as fire
support. My bad.The_Chieftain: If my memory hasn't failed, there was a small assault gun
platoon at battalion level, and one tank per company in addition.
Subject: T110's Second Summer of Love (And Tolerance)
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Quote Misfire42, on Jul 06 2014 - 19:33, said: Is a tall Irish panzer girl with a hat going to appear and drive a Chieftain?
Quote FaustianQ, on Jul 06 2014 - 22:08, said: Also, I now have renewed interest in XCOM
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Quote Misfire42, on Jul 06 2014 - 19:33, said: Is a tall Irish panzer girl with a hat going to appear and drive a Chieftain?
The_Chieftain: Heh. I wish, but, no.
Quote FaustianQ, on Jul 06 2014 - 22:08, said: Also, I now have renewed interest in XCOM
The_Chieftain: I befriended a chap in Firaxis at E3 a couple years ago. Met him
again last month, he admitted that I was not the only person
getting bored by XCom, so next year's expansion ought to fix it. He
also tells me that a proposal that I put to him has led to some
fascinating new gameplay. :) It turns out that some of the
folks on the thread already knew what is on the research list, but
I just wasn't paying attention. In my defense, I've been so busy,
that as of about two weeks ago, I'm technically homeless. I'm
traveling so much, I decided it was far cheaper for me to pay hotel
bills when I'm "home" than for me to be paying rent on a flat which
I am not actually occupying.
Subject: Skirmish 25
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JOEPAIN, on Jul 06 2014 - 15:45, said: did that...sent a pvt msg to dance210 [the admin of this forum
post]..and sent a email to both the opposing team capt and the
wargaming tourny folks...no response as of 3:44pm 7/6 14....b.s. is
what i say
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JOEPAIN, on Jul 06 2014 - 15:45, said: did that...sent a pvt msg to dance210 [the admin of this forum
post]..and sent a email to both the opposing team capt and the
wargaming tourny folks...no response as of 3:44pm 7/6 14....b.s. is
what i saydance210: FYI a response was sent via PM at ~9 am PDT this
morning. We will not discuss specific disputes on the forums, but
via PM. Before saying there was no response I would suggest
looking for one....
Subject: T110's Second Summer of Love (And Tolerance)
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Seraphil, on Jul 06 2014 - 12:01, said: Just watched the Anzio OVA for Girls und Panzer. Solid
showing, though the Type 89 tanking that much MG fire was
straight-up ridiculous. Afterward I looked up some info on
the Carro Veloce L3s... I cannot see why these would not work fine
as tier 1 vehicles. Heck, even tier 2 could work depending on
if there was any sort of engine upgrade plans or any weapon greater
than a 20mm antitank rifle.
Link on message: #7434443
Seraphil, on Jul 06 2014 - 12:01, said: Just watched the Anzio OVA for Girls und Panzer. Solid
showing, though the Type 89 tanking that much MG fire was
straight-up ridiculous. Afterward I looked up some info on
the Carro Veloce L3s... I cannot see why these would not work fine
as tier 1 vehicles. Heck, even tier 2 could work depending on
if there was any sort of engine upgrade plans or any weapon greater
than a 20mm antitank rifle.The_Chieftain: Oh, it's out? Must look for it... I have a special request for the
GuP folks, we'll see if it pans out. 20mm is plenty big
enough for that thing. It is the smallest, or second smallest tanks
thing in Ww2 (that TKS Polish thing is pretty damned small)
Subject: WGL Format: 6/48
Link on message: #7434344
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dance210: Tournament
Page
Registration Over the next several weeks, a series
of tournaments will be introduced to test different formats for the
WGL. All players that participate are requested to provide feedback
on the proposed format, to help judge the utility of this format
for future WGL seasons. Players may leave all feedback and
discussion before the tournament begins in this thread. At the
conclusion of the tournament, we will have a separate thread for
post-battle feedback. Team Captains: Captains are asked to
provide screenshots of all 3 pages of the after battle report to
tournaments@wargamingamerica.com. Ideally, the screenshots are
requested from all players on the team, for all battles.
Basic Tournament Information: Please see the tournament
page for all information Team Size: 6 vs. 6
Map: Group Stage, Round 1: Ruinberg Group Stage, Round 2: Ensk
Tie-breakers (if needed): Himmelsdorf Playoffs: Mines Mode:
Standard Tier Point Limit: 48 Tier Limits: This represents the max
tier allowed. Teams are allowed to bring lower tiers. Light:
8 Medium: 8 Heavy: 8 TD: 8 SPG: 8
dance210
Independence Weekend Invitational - All teams randomly assigned - Compete for...
06.07.2014 20:26:51
Subject: Independence Weekend Invitational - All teams randomly assigned - Compete for...
Link on message: #7434279
BnaditCorps, on Jul 06 2014 - 10:26, said: i cant figure out if my team made the playoffs or not?
Link on message: #7434279
BnaditCorps, on Jul 06 2014 - 10:26, said: i cant figure out if my team made the playoffs or not?dance210: What team are you on?
Subject: Discussion: WGLNA Open League, Summer 2014
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jdawg159, on Jul 06 2014 - 01:34, said: So, almost a week and STILL no response to this, yet another person
asks for the umpteenth time about the 4th of July crap (and doesn't
bother reading anything) and it gets an answer right away???
The whole thing with two divisions, and then the playoffs having 12
teams from EACH division, how exactly will it shake out in the
end??? I have had people from my team asking me all the time about
this, but yet I cannot give them an answer because nobody from WG
is willing to answer this question.
Link on message: #7434081
jdawg159, on Jul 06 2014 - 01:34, said: So, almost a week and STILL no response to this, yet another person
asks for the umpteenth time about the 4th of July crap (and doesn't
bother reading anything) and it gets an answer right away???
The whole thing with two divisions, and then the playoffs having 12
teams from EACH division, how exactly will it shake out in the
end??? I have had people from my team asking me all the time about
this, but yet I cannot give them an answer because nobody from WG
is willing to answer this question.dance210: To answer your question, Division A will face Division B in
the playoffs. The top 12 will then move up to the Bronze league.
As it gets closer to the Playoffs, additional details,
including map schedule, will be made available in the News and
Announcements thread.
Subject: Na Trilha para o E 50 Ausf. M
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Content_WG: Metade atirador, metade brigão - confira o que torna o alemão E 50
Ausf. M incomparável nesses papéis e muito mais!
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Subject: On Track to the E 50 Ausf. M
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Content_WG: Part sniper, part brawler -- check out what makes the German E 50
Ausf. M uniquely capable of these roles and more!
Full news text
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Subject: Independence Weekend Invitational - Playoff Teams
Link on message: #7434029
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dance210: Congratulations to the following teams for moving on to the
Playoffs! Rank Team Win Ratio 1 Team 116 1.000 1 Team
121 1.000 1 Team 254 1.000 1 Team 374 1.000 1 Team 54 1.000 1 Team
59 1.000 1 Team 64 1.000 1 Team 80 1.000 1 Team 81 1.000 10 Team
175 0.952 10 Team 201 0.952 10 Team 310 0.952 10 Team 352 0.952 10
Team 369 0.952 10 Team 46 0.952 10 Team 68 0.952 17 Team 113 0.929
17 Team 12 0.929 17 Team 133 0.929 17 Team 137 0.929 17 Team 145
0.929 17 Team 146 0.929 17 Team 167 0.929 17 Team 187 0.929 17 Team
223 0.929 17 Team 250 0.929 17 Team 274 0.929 17 Team 278 0.929 17
Team 295 0.929 17 Team 301 0.929 17 Team 31 0.929 17 Team 322 0.929
17 Team 333 0.929 17 Team 338 0.929 17 Team 375 0.929 17 Team 39
0.929 17 Team 403 0.929 17 Team 530 0.929 17 Team 605 0.929 17 Team
621 0.929 17 Team 661 0.929 17 Team 91 0.929 43 Team 626 0.905 44
Team 28 0.881 44 Team 29 0.881 44 Team 336 0.881 44 Team 45 0.881
44 Team 452 0.881 44 Team 453 0.881 44 Team 512 0.881 44 Team 670
0.881 52 Team 102 0.857 52 Team 126 0.857 52 Team 136 0.857 52 Team
149 0.857 52 Team 165 0.857 52 Team 168 0.857 52 Team 194 0.857 52
Team 195 0.857 52 Team 198 0.857 52 Team 221 0.857 52 Team 265
0.857 52 Team 273 0.857 52 Team 305 0.857 52 Team 334 0.857 52 Team
397 0.857 52 Team 43 0.857 52 Team 446 0.857 52 Team 615 0.857 52
Team 619 0.857 52 Team 84 0.857 52 Team 93 0.857 52 Team 95 0.857
74 Team 27 0.833 74 Team 44 0.833 74 Team 47 0.833 77 Team 103
0.810 77 Team 189 0.810 77 Team 196 0.810 77 Team 213 0.810 77 Team
228 0.810 77 team 234 0.810 77 Team 392 0.810 77 Team 40 0.810 77
Team 50 0.810 77 Team 506 0.810 77 Team 65 0.810 77 Team 668 0.810
89 Team 128 0.786 89 Team 208 0.786 89 Team 21 0.786 89 Team 222
0.786 89 Team 226 0.786 89 Team 251 0.786 89 Team 256 0.786 89 Team
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0.500 278 Team 643 0.500 278 Team 646 0.500 278 Team 648 0.500 278
Team 66 0.500 278 Team 667 0.500 278 Team 74 0.500 278 Team 78
0.500 278 Team 94 0.500
Subject: T110's Second Summer of Love (And Tolerance)
Link on message: #7433307
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The_Chieftain: I -really- need to upgrade my pilot's license by next spring. At
least to commercial ifr I also have been given some research
requests which made my jaw drop, for WoT. (Don't worry, not Tier XI
or anything.) SS, re M18 firing,did you see the M5 and M18
videos we did with FPS Russia? I was the only casualty from the hut
explosion, I had me head out turret and got a splinter to the face.
Subject: Exercise Dracula
Link on message: #7433108
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The_Chieftain: You sure that was M3 lee it was to replace, not M3 Stuart?
Subject: To teams complaining about having to fight better teams
Link on message: #7432150
twitchtvCommanda0, on Jul 05 2014 - 18:53, said: Ultimately, life is not fair, and neither is the matchmaker. You
will at some point be forced to fight teams that are better than
you. So why bother showing up right? It's important to
understand the point of the group stages. They offer a less
stressful arena through which teams can test strats and perfect
them so that when they come into the playoffs they are not caught
off guard by an odd cheese strat. Fighting teams that are better
than you is critical in this stage of the tournament for a few
reasons: 1. You learn possible strategies or positions from
reviewing replays of games you have lost. From here you can revise
your own strat to take into account weaknesses that good teams have
exploited and prevent them in the future. Or figure out positions
that would punish their strat. 2. They provide ample
motivation to get good. Face it, not every team is worth 10,000
gold, and there are more than enough prizes to go around
considering that the top 50% of teams get alpha playoff gold. Play
better and the payouts will increase. Having a good strat
and learning how to execute it well is far more important than
simply having good players. The best teams (Those who reach top 10%
consistently) combine both, but taking a team of mediocre players
to top 10-20% is easily doable with a coherent strategy and players
that are eager to learn and listen to the caller, as the PLSGO
skirmish teams have shown. Good teams have earned their
payout, and if you want a bigger gold payout, use that as
motivation to get better at penning tanks, learning positioning and
developing map strats.
Link on message: #7432150
twitchtvCommanda0, on Jul 05 2014 - 18:53, said: Ultimately, life is not fair, and neither is the matchmaker. You
will at some point be forced to fight teams that are better than
you. So why bother showing up right? It's important to
understand the point of the group stages. They offer a less
stressful arena through which teams can test strats and perfect
them so that when they come into the playoffs they are not caught
off guard by an odd cheese strat. Fighting teams that are better
than you is critical in this stage of the tournament for a few
reasons: 1. You learn possible strategies or positions from
reviewing replays of games you have lost. From here you can revise
your own strat to take into account weaknesses that good teams have
exploited and prevent them in the future. Or figure out positions
that would punish their strat. 2. They provide ample
motivation to get good. Face it, not every team is worth 10,000
gold, and there are more than enough prizes to go around
considering that the top 50% of teams get alpha playoff gold. Play
better and the payouts will increase. Having a good strat
and learning how to execute it well is far more important than
simply having good players. The best teams (Those who reach top 10%
consistently) combine both, but taking a team of mediocre players
to top 10-20% is easily doable with a coherent strategy and players
that are eager to learn and listen to the caller, as the PLSGO
skirmish teams have shown. Good teams have earned their
payout, and if you want a bigger gold payout, use that as
motivation to get better at penning tanks, learning positioning and
developing map strats.Captain_Judo: Very well written, thought out post. 
Subject: To teams complaining about having to fight better teams
Link on message: #7432150
twitchtvCommanda0, on Jul 05 2014 - 18:53, said: Ultimately, life is not fair, and neither is the matchmaker. You
will at some point be forced to fight teams that are better than
you. So why bother showing up right? It's important to
understand the point of the group stages. They offer a less
stressful arena through which teams can test strats and perfect
them so that when they come into the playoffs they are not caught
off guard by an odd cheese strat. Fighting teams that are better
than you is critical in this stage of the tournament for a few
reasons: 1. You learn possible strategies or positions from
reviewing replays of games you have lost. From here you can revise
your own strat to take into account weaknesses that good teams have
exploited and prevent them in the future. Or figure out positions
that would punish their strat. 2. They provide ample
motivation to get good. Face it, not every team is worth 10,000
gold, and there are more than enough prizes to go around
considering that the top 50% of teams get alpha playoff gold. Play
better and the payouts will increase. Having a good strat
and learning how to execute it well is far more important than
simply having good players. The best teams (Those who reach top 10%
consistently) combine both, but taking a team of mediocre players
to top 10-20% is easily doable with a coherent strategy and players
that are eager to learn and listen to the caller, as the PLSGO
skirmish teams have shown. Good teams have earned their
payout, and if you want a bigger gold payout, use that as
motivation to get better at penning tanks, learning positioning and
developing map strats.
Link on message: #7432150
twitchtvCommanda0, on Jul 05 2014 - 18:53, said: Ultimately, life is not fair, and neither is the matchmaker. You
will at some point be forced to fight teams that are better than
you. So why bother showing up right? It's important to
understand the point of the group stages. They offer a less
stressful arena through which teams can test strats and perfect
them so that when they come into the playoffs they are not caught
off guard by an odd cheese strat. Fighting teams that are better
than you is critical in this stage of the tournament for a few
reasons: 1. You learn possible strategies or positions from
reviewing replays of games you have lost. From here you can revise
your own strat to take into account weaknesses that good teams have
exploited and prevent them in the future. Or figure out positions
that would punish their strat. 2. They provide ample
motivation to get good. Face it, not every team is worth 10,000
gold, and there are more than enough prizes to go around
considering that the top 50% of teams get alpha playoff gold. Play
better and the payouts will increase. Having a good strat
and learning how to execute it well is far more important than
simply having good players. The best teams (Those who reach top 10%
consistently) combine both, but taking a team of mediocre players
to top 10-20% is easily doable with a coherent strategy and players
that are eager to learn and listen to the caller, as the PLSGO
skirmish teams have shown. Good teams have earned their
payout, and if you want a bigger gold payout, use that as
motivation to get better at penning tanks, learning positioning and
developing map strats.Captain_Judo: Very well written, thought out post. 
Subject: To teams complaining about having to fight better teams
Link on message: #7432150
twitchtvCommanda0, on Jul 05 2014 - 18:53, said: Ultimately, life is not fair, and neither is the matchmaker. You
will at some point be forced to fight teams that are better than
you. So why bother showing up right? It's important to
understand the point of the group stages. They offer a less
stressful arena through which teams can test strats and perfect
them so that when they come into the playoffs they are not caught
off guard by an odd cheese strat. Fighting teams that are better
than you is critical in this stage of the tournament for a few
reasons: 1. You learn possible strategies or positions from
reviewing replays of games you have lost. From here you can revise
your own strat to take into account weaknesses that good teams have
exploited and prevent them in the future. Or figure out positions
that would punish their strat. 2. They provide ample
motivation to get good. Face it, not every team is worth 10,000
gold, and there are more than enough prizes to go around
considering that the top 50% of teams get alpha playoff gold. Play
better and the payouts will increase. Having a good strat
and learning how to execute it well is far more important than
simply having good players. The best teams (Those who reach top 10%
consistently) combine both, but taking a team of mediocre players
to top 10-20% is easily doable with a coherent strategy and players
that are eager to learn and listen to the caller, as the PLSGO
skirmish teams have shown. Good teams have earned their
payout, and if you want a bigger gold payout, use that as
motivation to get better at penning tanks, learning positioning and
developing map strats.
Link on message: #7432150
twitchtvCommanda0, on Jul 05 2014 - 18:53, said: Ultimately, life is not fair, and neither is the matchmaker. You
will at some point be forced to fight teams that are better than
you. So why bother showing up right? It's important to
understand the point of the group stages. They offer a less
stressful arena through which teams can test strats and perfect
them so that when they come into the playoffs they are not caught
off guard by an odd cheese strat. Fighting teams that are better
than you is critical in this stage of the tournament for a few
reasons: 1. You learn possible strategies or positions from
reviewing replays of games you have lost. From here you can revise
your own strat to take into account weaknesses that good teams have
exploited and prevent them in the future. Or figure out positions
that would punish their strat. 2. They provide ample
motivation to get good. Face it, not every team is worth 10,000
gold, and there are more than enough prizes to go around
considering that the top 50% of teams get alpha playoff gold. Play
better and the payouts will increase. Having a good strat
and learning how to execute it well is far more important than
simply having good players. The best teams (Those who reach top 10%
consistently) combine both, but taking a team of mediocre players
to top 10-20% is easily doable with a coherent strategy and players
that are eager to learn and listen to the caller, as the PLSGO
skirmish teams have shown. Good teams have earned their
payout, and if you want a bigger gold payout, use that as
motivation to get better at penning tanks, learning positioning and
developing map strats.Captain_Judo: Very well written, thought out post. 
Captain_Judo
Independence Weekend Invitational - All teams randomly assigned - Compete for...
06.07.2014 02:41:08
Subject: Independence Weekend Invitational - All teams randomly assigned - Compete for...
Link on message: #7431325
Jaguaratron, on Jul 05 2014 - 16:37, said: whats that supposed to mean? That if your team doesnt bother
to turn up and screw you over they may come back later? Theres
optimism then theres stupidity......
Link on message: #7431325
Jaguaratron, on Jul 05 2014 - 16:37, said: whats that supposed to mean? That if your team doesnt bother
to turn up and screw you over they may come back later? Theres
optimism then theres stupidity......Captain_Judo: Nope, just trying to clear some confusion I saw in-game.
That this is not single elimination, but group play. Good luck.
Captain_Judo
Independence Weekend Invitational - All teams randomly assigned - Compete for...
06.07.2014 02:41:08
Subject: Independence Weekend Invitational - All teams randomly assigned - Compete for...
Link on message: #7431325
Jaguaratron, on Jul 05 2014 - 16:37, said: whats that supposed to mean? That if your team doesnt bother
to turn up and screw you over they may come back later? Theres
optimism then theres stupidity......
Link on message: #7431325
Jaguaratron, on Jul 05 2014 - 16:37, said: whats that supposed to mean? That if your team doesnt bother
to turn up and screw you over they may come back later? Theres
optimism then theres stupidity......Captain_Judo: Nope, just trying to clear some confusion I saw in-game.
That this is not single elimination, but group play. Good luck.
Captain_Judo
Independence Weekend Invitational - All teams randomly assigned - Compete for...
06.07.2014 02:41:08
Subject: Independence Weekend Invitational - All teams randomly assigned - Compete for...
Link on message: #7431325
Jaguaratron, on Jul 05 2014 - 16:37, said: whats that supposed to mean? That if your team doesnt bother
to turn up and screw you over they may come back later? Theres
optimism then theres stupidity......
Link on message: #7431325
Jaguaratron, on Jul 05 2014 - 16:37, said: whats that supposed to mean? That if your team doesnt bother
to turn up and screw you over they may come back later? Theres
optimism then theres stupidity......Captain_Judo: Nope, just trying to clear some confusion I saw in-game.
That this is not single elimination, but group play. Good luck.
Captain_Judo
Independence Weekend Invitational - All teams randomly assigned - Compete for...
06.07.2014 02:09:35
Subject: Independence Weekend Invitational - All teams randomly assigned - Compete for...
Link on message: #7431189
Midnitelouie, on Jul 05 2014 - 16:07, said: Technical defeat. Wonderful. This is...uncool. If
it was randomly assigning teams, why not have it assign teams AFTER
you selected for the Special Battles? Hmmm? At least
that way, you would have had a shot of actually forming a team...
I applaud the effort? But execution left a LOT to be
desired. (Two weeks of waiting...for a two second "Technical
Defeat" message? Wooooooo.)
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Midnitelouie, on Jul 05 2014 - 16:07, said: Technical defeat. Wonderful. This is...uncool. If
it was randomly assigning teams, why not have it assign teams AFTER
you selected for the Special Battles? Hmmm? At least
that way, you would have had a shot of actually forming a team...
I applaud the effort? But execution left a LOT to be
desired. (Two weeks of waiting...for a two second "Technical
Defeat" message? Wooooooo.)Captain_Judo: Don't forget that the tournament begins with two rounds of
group play. There are matches all night tonight beginning every 15
minutes.
Captain_Judo
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Midnitelouie, on Jul 05 2014 - 16:07, said: Technical defeat. Wonderful. This is...uncool. If
it was randomly assigning teams, why not have it assign teams AFTER
you selected for the Special Battles? Hmmm? At least
that way, you would have had a shot of actually forming a team...
I applaud the effort? But execution left a LOT to be
desired. (Two weeks of waiting...for a two second "Technical
Defeat" message? Wooooooo.)
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Midnitelouie, on Jul 05 2014 - 16:07, said: Technical defeat. Wonderful. This is...uncool. If
it was randomly assigning teams, why not have it assign teams AFTER
you selected for the Special Battles? Hmmm? At least
that way, you would have had a shot of actually forming a team...
I applaud the effort? But execution left a LOT to be
desired. (Two weeks of waiting...for a two second "Technical
Defeat" message? Wooooooo.)Captain_Judo: Don't forget that the tournament begins with two rounds of
group play. There are matches all night tonight beginning every 15
minutes.
Captain_Judo
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Midnitelouie, on Jul 05 2014 - 16:07, said: Technical defeat. Wonderful. This is...uncool. If
it was randomly assigning teams, why not have it assign teams AFTER
you selected for the Special Battles? Hmmm? At least
that way, you would have had a shot of actually forming a team...
I applaud the effort? But execution left a LOT to be
desired. (Two weeks of waiting...for a two second "Technical
Defeat" message? Wooooooo.)
Link on message: #7431189
Midnitelouie, on Jul 05 2014 - 16:07, said: Technical defeat. Wonderful. This is...uncool. If
it was randomly assigning teams, why not have it assign teams AFTER
you selected for the Special Battles? Hmmm? At least
that way, you would have had a shot of actually forming a team...
I applaud the effort? But execution left a LOT to be
desired. (Two weeks of waiting...for a two second "Technical
Defeat" message? Wooooooo.)Captain_Judo: Don't forget that the tournament begins with two rounds of
group play. There are matches all night tonight beginning every 15
minutes.
Subject: Independence Weekend Invitational - Links to Groups
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Captain_Judo: Visit the Independence Weekend Invitational's tournament page
here to locate your team and group. Remember to allow
significant time for the entire tournament page to
update. Thereafter, feel free to use the links below for
direct access to each group and subsequent results. Group
Stage Round 1
Group 1
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Subject: Independence Weekend Invitational - Links to Groups
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Captain_Judo: Visit the Independence Weekend Invitational's tournament page
here to locate your team and group. Remember to
allow significant time for the entire tournament page to
update. Thereafter, feel free to use the links below for
direct access to each group and subsequent results. Group
Stage Round 1 Group 1 Group 2 Group 3 Group 4 Group 5 Group 6 Group 7 Group 8 Group 9 Group 10 Group 11 Group 12 Group 13 Group 14 Group 15 Group 16 Group 17 Group 18 Group 19 Group 20 Group 21 Group 22 Group 23 Group 24 Group 25 Group 26 Group 27 Group 28 Group 29 Group 30 Group 31 Group 32 Group 33 Group 34 Group 35 Group 36 Group 37 Group 38 Group 39 Group 40 Group 41 Group 42 Group 43 Group 44 Group 45 Group 46 Group 47 Group 48 Group 49 Group 50 Group 51 Group 52 Group 53 Group 54 Group 55 Group 56 Group 57 Group 58 Group 59 Group 60 Group 61 Group 62 Group 63 Group 64 Group 65 Group 66 Group 67 Group 68 Group 69 Group 70 Group Stage Round 2 Group 1 Group 2 Group 3 Group 4 Group 5 Group 6 Group 7 Group 8 Group 9 Group 10 Group 11 Group 12 Group 13 Group 14 Group 15 Group 16 Group 17 Group 18 Group 19 Group 20 Group 21 Group 22 Group 23 Group 24 Group 25 Group 26 Group 27 Group 28 Group 29 Group 30 Group 31 Group 32 Group 33 Group 34 Group 35 Group 36 Group 37 Group 38 Group 39 Group 40 Group 41 Group 42 Group 43 Group 44 Group 45 Group 46 Group 47 Group 48 Group 49 Group 50 Group 51 Group 52 Group 53 Group 54 Group 55 Group 56 Group 57 Group 58 Group 59 Group 60 Group 61 Group 62 Group 63 Group 64 Group 65 Group 66 Group 67 Group 68 Group 69 Group 70
Subject: Independence Weekend Invitational - Links to Groups
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Captain_Judo: Visit the Independence Weekend Invitational's tournament page
here to locate your team and group. Remember to
allow significant time for the entire tournament page to
update. Thereafter, feel free to use the links below for
direct access to each group and subsequent results. Group
Stage Round 1 Group 1 Group 2 Group 3 Group 4 Group 5 Group 6 Group 7 Group 8 Group 9 Group 10 Group 11 Group 12 Group 13 Group 14 Group 15 Group 16 Group 17 Group 18 Group 19 Group 20 Group 21 Group 22 Group 23 Group 24 Group 25 Group 26 Group 27 Group 28 Group 29 Group 30 Group 31 Group 32 Group 33 Group 34 Group 35 Group 36 Group 37 Group 38 Group 39 Group 40 Group 41 Group 42 Group 43 Group 44 Group 45 Group 46 Group 47 Group 48 Group 49 Group 50 Group 51 Group 52 Group 53 Group 54 Group 55 Group 56 Group 57 Group 58 Group 59 Group 60 Group 61 Group 62 Group 63 Group 64 Group 65 Group 66 Group 67 Group 68 Group 69 Group 70 Group Stage Round 2 Group 1 Group 2 Group 3 Group 4 Group 5 Group 6 Group 7 Group 8 Group 9 Group 10 Group 11 Group 12 Group 13 Group 14 Group 15 Group 16 Group 17 Group 18 Group 19 Group 20 Group 21 Group 22 Group 23 Group 24 Group 25 Group 26 Group 27 Group 28 Group 29 Group 30 Group 31 Group 32 Group 33 Group 34 Group 35 Group 36 Group 37 Group 38 Group 39 Group 40 Group 41 Group 42 Group 43 Group 44 Group 45 Group 46 Group 47 Group 48 Group 49 Group 50 Group 51 Group 52 Group 53 Group 54 Group 55 Group 56 Group 57 Group 58 Group 59 Group 60 Group 61 Group 62 Group 63 Group 64 Group 65 Group 66 Group 67 Group 68 Group 69 Group 70
Yoott
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r3tali8, on Jul 05 2014 - 13:45, said: Same here. I know it's PDT, but I thought it would have started
this time eastern. Bueller? Bueller?
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r3tali8, on Jul 05 2014 - 13:45, said: Same here. I know it's PDT, but I thought it would have started
this time eastern. Bueller? Bueller? Yoott: 4pm PDT is 2 hours from now
Yoott
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Subject: Independence Weekend Invitational - All teams randomly assigned - Compete for...
Link on message: #7430730
r3tali8, on Jul 05 2014 - 13:45, said: Same here. I know it's PDT, but I thought it would have started
this time eastern. Bueller? Bueller?
Link on message: #7430730
r3tali8, on Jul 05 2014 - 13:45, said: Same here. I know it's PDT, but I thought it would have started
this time eastern. Bueller? Bueller? Yoott: 4pm PDT is 2 hours from now
Yoott
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Subject: Independence Weekend Invitational - All teams randomly assigned - Compete for...
Link on message: #7430730
r3tali8, on Jul 05 2014 - 13:45, said: Same here. I know it's PDT, but I thought it would have started
this time eastern. Bueller? Bueller?
Link on message: #7430730
r3tali8, on Jul 05 2014 - 13:45, said: Same here. I know it's PDT, but I thought it would have started
this time eastern. Bueller? Bueller? Yoott: 4pm PDT is 2 hours from now
Subject: Independence Weekend Invitational Feedback thread
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Mr_FluffyWaffle, on Jul 05 2014 - 02:08, said: Are there only rewards for the top 4 teams? Really, just 4 out of
over 600?
ticeler, on Jul 05 2014 - 08:20, said: So what I am unclear on is if we have to buy our tier 3 tanks or do
we get to choose them when we start the tourney? Assuming I need to
go get them...
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Mr_FluffyWaffle, on Jul 05 2014 - 02:08, said: Are there only rewards for the top 4 teams? Really, just 4 out of
over 600?dance210: The prize is for the top 4 teams PER playoff bracket. Which
means that there will be quite a few winners.
ticeler, on Jul 05 2014 - 08:20, said: So what I am unclear on is if we have to buy our tier 3 tanks or do
we get to choose them when we start the tourney? Assuming I need to
go get them...dance210: You need to have your own tier 3 tank; one will not be
provided for you, for this tournament.
Subject: UFC Fan Expo 5-6 July, 2014
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Nyx_WGA: This weekend July 5-6, 2014 the Wargaming Road Tour will be inside
the Mandalay Bay Convention Center for the UFC Fan Expo 2014. UFC Fan Expo® is the world's premier
Ultimate Fighting Championship® fan event. Thousands of fans will
celebrate their passion for one of America's fastest growing sports
this weekend in Las Vegas! And Wargaming will be celebrating with
them. Find the Wargaming Road Tour inside the Convention Center -
you can play World of Tanks, hear the latest news about the World
of Tanks Blitz launch and have the chance to win some cool swag.
Saturday, July 5: 10 AM – 5 PM
Sunday, July 6: 10 AM – 4 PM Mandalay Bay Convention Center is located at 3950 Las Vegas Blvd. South in Las Vegas, NV.
Sunday, July 6: 10 AM – 4 PM Mandalay Bay Convention Center is located at 3950 Las Vegas Blvd. South in Las Vegas, NV.
Subject: UFC Fan Expo 5-6 July, 2014
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NyxWGA: This weekend July 5-6, 2014 the Wargaming Road Tour will be inside
the Mandalay Bay Convention Center for the UFC Fan Expo 2014. UFC Fan Expo® is the world's premier
Ultimate Fighting Championship® fan event. Thousands of fans will
celebrate their passion for one of America's fastest growing sports
this weekend in Las Vegas! And Wargaming will be celebrating with
them. Find the Wargaming Road Tour inside the Convention Center -
you can play World of Tanks, hear the latest news about the World
of Tanks Blitz launch and have the chance to win some cool swag.
Saturday, July 5: 10 AM – 5 PM
Sunday, July 6: 10 AM – 4 PM Mandalay Bay Convention Center is located at 3950 Las Vegas Blvd. South in Las Vegas, NV.
Sunday, July 6: 10 AM – 4 PM Mandalay Bay Convention Center is located at 3950 Las Vegas Blvd. South in Las Vegas, NV.
Subject: UFC Fan Expo 5-6 July, 2014
Link on message: #7429204
Link on message: #7429204
NyxWGA: This weekend July 5-6, 2014 the Wargaming Road Tour will be inside
the Mandalay Bay Convention Center for the UFC Fan Expo 2014. UFC Fan Expo® is the world's premier
Ultimate Fighting Championship® fan event. Thousands of fans will
celebrate their passion for one of America's fastest growing sports
this weekend in Las Vegas! And Wargaming will be celebrating with
them. Find the Wargaming Road Tour inside the Convention Center -
you can play World of Tanks, hear the latest news about the World
of Tanks Blitz launch and have the chance to win some cool swag.
Saturday, July 5: 10 AM – 5 PM
Sunday, July 6: 10 AM – 4 PM Mandalay Bay Convention Center is located at 3950 Las Vegas Blvd. South in Las Vegas, NV.
Sunday, July 6: 10 AM – 4 PM Mandalay Bay Convention Center is located at 3950 Las Vegas Blvd. South in Las Vegas, NV.
Subject: The Chieftain's Random Musings Thread
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The_Chieftain: I have discovered that Russians like to wear speedos at the pool.
Worse, all my colleagues here in Cyprus for this meeting are male.
Oh well. Comes with the territory
Subject: Exercise Dracula
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The_Chieftain:
A little while ago, you will recall, I
came across a report of comparative testing between two
British cruisers (Centaur and Cromwell) and Sherman in the
US The British vehicles did not come across well. There was
some speculation on the forum that perhaps there was a little
national bias in the report, and that also there may have been
issues with unfamiliarity with the foreign equipment. Well, I was
doing a bit of digging in the British archives, and found an
interesting counterpoint. Firstly, a letter from a British
observer, a chap named Alec Richardson, presumably of the British
Tank Mission. Letter dated 15thOctober 1943, amongst other topics,
there’s a section entitled “On Centaur and Cromwell”. I quote:
These tanks have made us a laughing stock out here. The Cromwell
has had a variety of troubles, and it was mad only sending out only
one of each. The Americans are politely indifferent to what happens
to them and Waller, the Rolls Royce man with them, is most unhappy
and wants them withdrawn as soon as possible. We are undoubtedly
the world’s worst salesmen! I strongly advise we send out no more
British tanks until they are reliable, and then, when we do, we
send out about two trained troops with a first class officer in
charge of them. We have lost a lot of prestige over these pool lone
derelicts. Finally, and I consider this most important, WE MUST
MAKE A FIRST CLASS CRUISER AND LIGHT TANK AT HOME, however long it
takes us. The new Cromwell should fill the interim, for, say, the
next year or two, but WE MUST REGAIN OUR PRESTIGE. The Americans
have been a bit in the doldrums lately with their T.20s, but they
will emerge and produce the goods in due course. This is our chance
to get ahead of them, but we must redesign, and not be content with
botching up an obsolescent type Forgive me for being so didactic,
as I feel it’s mainly my fault we haven’t got a good tank now!
Whether he felt the sample size was representative or not, in any
case he makes no mention of perceived national bias. There is,
however, a control case. There is a rather large file in the
British archives about an “Exercise Dracula”, in which the British
Army, between 04AUG43 and 22SEP43, ran a full squadron of tanks
against each other. At least 2x Cromwell III, 3x Cromwell I, 3x
Centaur I, 3x M4A2 and 3x M4A4. The final report, marked “Most
Secret”, was filed by Major General A.C. Richardson. The first ten
days of the exercise was preparation and checking of the vehicles
at Bovington. Then, 15AUG to 12SEP were road and cross-country
trials round England, returning to Bovington after approximately
2,000 miles. The remainder of the exercise was “intensive road and
cross-country running in the vicinity of Bovington” The General
noted: Owing to the enthusiasm and keenness displayed by all ranks,
and the competitive spirit between crews to achieve the maximum
possible performance of their own particular machine, it must be
assessed that the results are probably better than would have been
the case under active service conditions, where the amenities such
as concrete standings, blacked out workshops, etc, would not have
been so readily available. In order that the exercise should not be
unduly delayed, it was decided to close down when one machine of
each type reached 3,000 miles. This was not possible in the case of
Centaur as the top mileage machine was only 2,516 when the Cromwell
and Shermans reached 3,000 miles, and the state of the machine was
such as to preclude further running without major fitter
attention.” [Note to Americans: “Fitter” is English for mechanic]
The final conditions of the vehicles was as follows:
He continued: “Special attention is drawn to the
[table which shows] the comparative man-hours of specialist fitter
attention required to keep the various types of machines on the
road”
Yes, I know it says 5 Centaurs and only 3 are listed
in the earlier table. I have no explanation, and neither is one
given in the report. Possible it was just a typo. Interestingly,
the appendix pages also make references to Cromwell Xs, without
saying where they came from. I am fairly convinced that the entire
report was not in the box. Anyway, his overall opinions. The
performance of the Shermans throughout the exercise has been
outstanding as regards reliability and durability, and the
enthusiasm shown by their crews is proof of their confidence in
this type of machine. This is not only in respect of their
mechanical reliability, but also in respect of their
“fightability”, as was clearly proved at Lulworth when their
armament was tested. Centaurs: Underpowered, unreliable and
unwanted as a tank, owing to its characteristics which do not
compare favourably with tanks of current design.
Cromwells: Spectacular as regards speed, but doubtful
as regards maneuverability and control, owing to unreliability of
steering and brakes. Doubtful as regards durability over 2,000
miles, owing to the stresses and strains experienced by the Meteor
engine when mounted in the hull of a tank and subjected to reverse
torque, which an aero engine is not normally called upon to do
Should the Cromwell be made entirely reliable mechanically, there
is still the question of its “fightability” to be considered as at
present its gun mountings and accessories leave much to be desired
I’m not going to go into the various details of the failings the
various vehicles suffered, but a general overview can
be found here: Some observations by the records keepers. Oi/c
Cruiser records, name not provided, stated, inter alia: Cromwells:
The performance of these machines was very disappointing as,
without exception, the failures were all old troubles experienced
before, and, one might have hoped by now, ought to have been
rectified. With nearly all crews this was their first introduction
to the Cromwells and it was obvious after the first few failures
that the drivers had lost confidence in this machine. However, from
a purely driving angle, all crews agreed that it is a beautiful
tank to handle, and the power unit of 600hp is a definite
step forward in design. Centaurs: These machines up to about
1,500 miles put up an improved performance in comparison to earlier
machines. The biggest surprise being the clutch which now appears
serviceable, whereas in our previous experience 800 miles was the
limit before the races broke up in the cam box. The engine is still
far from oil tight with the result that radiators have to be
cleaned constantly. Petrol starvation was another constantly
recurring trouble. […] One can only hope that units are receiving
these machines for training purposes only. Driving (Both). One of
the biggest troubles with crews was their inability to adjust the
brakes properly even when cold. This adjustment leaves much to be
desired and when the vehicle is hot, medical attention is usually
necessary for burnt arms, hands and necks etc. […] Two points of
bad driving was constantly noticed. (1) overrevving (ii) bad
cornering- usually trying to negotiate with (a) too high a gear or
(b) with too few revs. Both of these points, to my mind, would be
covered by a rev counter – an essential instrument conducive to
good driving His Sherman counterpart, a Captain Shaw, made the
following observations, amongst others: The Shermans on the whole
were extremely reliable and gave very little trouble. All were
fitted prior to the trial with rubber tracks and this in a large
measure accounts for the little suspension trouble experienced
during the trial. […] On the M4A2 type the engines have given no
trouble except for the initial failure of the two injectors on No
9. The injectors on all vehicles have not been touched except for
checking for correct adjustment.[…] On the M4A4 type little trouble
has been experienced except for ordinary running maintenance
jobs.
The next report in the packet was from a Major Ronald
of the Westminster Dragoons, position un-stated. Excerpts follow:
Reliability: The outstanding lesson of this exercise has been to me
the exceptional reliability of the American machines. All my ideas,
based on 2 ½ years experience with an armoured regiment equipped
with British machines have had to be revised, and though before the
exercise started I was inclined to think that perhaps Sherman was
somewhat overrated I am completely convinced of the superiority of
this machine over anything that this country has produced up to
date. It is evident that the commander of a unit equipped with
Shermans can be confident of taking 99% of his vehicles into
battle, at any rate during the first 2,000 miles of their life. On
the other hand, if he were equipped with Cromwells or Centaurs he
would be in a continuous state of anxiety as to whether enough of
his tanks would reach the battlefield to carry out the normal tasks
expected of his unit. Conditions of Trial: The exercise has been
run under conditions which have been very favourable to the
machines and particularly so to the less reliable ones. Long
mileages have been done, but […] the squadron has always reached
harbor in time to carry out maintenance in daylight. […] Even so,
the British machines have only been kept on the road by dint of
much hard work. It is safe to say that such conditions are never
likely to be encountered during operations, and less easy
conditions will, of course, react unfavourably on reliability and
battleworthiness. Fitter and Light Aid Detachment Staff: A fine
result has ben achieved in bringing back to the starting point 13
of the original 14 starters after 2,000 miles around England. It
must be remembered, however, that the Squadron has had the
advantage of far greater technical assistance than is available to
the normal armoured squadron. It is only this very lavish scale of
fitters, L.A.D. etc that has enabled the Cromwells and Centaurs to
be brought back to Bovington under their own power and even then
much night work and long hours have had to be worked.
Design and erection Taking a broad view of the
exercise it appears that only a few defects can be ascribed to bad
erection. Centaur governors and gear box oil seal on both Centaur
and Cromwell should not have given trouble had erection and
inspection been properly carried out and the many petrol stoppages
are partly due to tanks having foreign matter in them on delivery I
suggest, however, that most of the troubles are really due to
indifferent design. The radiator arrangement is simply asking for
trouble and it is certainly a possibility that rod-operated
steering control and re-positioned adjusters would go a long way to
solve the steering troubles which were so frequent. The petrol tap
is to the lay-mind a most unnecessarily complicated affair. The
track adjustment on Centaur and Cromwell III is quite impossible
from an operational standpoint and was, of course, tried out in a
slightly simpler form on Covenanter and Crusader where it was never
thought satisfactory by field units. General conclusions: The
simplicity and reliability of the American machines in contrast
with the British production is to me the chief lesson of Dracula.
The Cromwell could, no doubt, be made into an equally good fighting
vehicle but the re-designing necessary should, I suggest, have as
its chief object simplicity which, in turn, will bring reliability.
The 2i/c, Captain Priestley of the Coldstream Guards, had a single
page at the end, focusing on the sorts of things XOs focus on.
Cromwell: In theory the tank crews of this type should have had the
easiest time in that, during the early stages of the exercise
anyway, they were scheduled to arrive first. In practice, however,
on most occasions one or two of them arrived late at night, thus
involving a late meal being required, guides being left out, petrol
lorries being kept waiting and consequent loss of rest and sleep to
a large number of personnel in addition to the tank crews
themselves. It was also noticeable that Last Parade [American
translation: After operations checks and services] took at
least 1 ½ hours which was greatly in excess of the time taken by
the Shermans and consequently the crews showed much greater signs
of fatigue. Centaur: The same remarks apply as to the Cromwell,
only in a far greater degree. Numbers of personnel were kept up
until the early hours of the morning waiting to feed and replenish
the tanks. Arrangements were always being made so that fitters,
etc, could work all night on them. Added to this they almost
invariably left late in the morning, thus hindering the clearing up
of the administrative area. If they had to be refilled with
ammunition as well, they could never have kept pace with the rest
of the column.
Sherman (diesel) 4A2 These tanks were no bother from
an administrative angle. They often arrived before even the
Cromwells – they never required refilling en route, their Last
Parade was short and their crews always received their hot evening
meal at the correct time. A full night’s rest was had by all and if
it had only been a case of administering these tanks everybody
would have had considerably more rest and sleep and dinners for all
would have tasted much nicer owing to not having to be kept for
long hours after they had been cooked. Sherman (Petrol) 4A4 The
same remarks apply to this type as to the other Shermans except
that they took slightly longer to arrive. They did create one small
problem in that owing to their heavier fuel consumption
arrangements had to be made to refuel them en route when the
remainder of the tanks could complete the distance quite
comfortably without. Conclusion: In an exercise that is largely of
a technical character it is easy to overlook some of the vital
administrative points which stand out particularly when no actual
fighting is being done. After considering the facts, however, it is
plain that the crews of all Sherman tanks would have been 100%
fighting fit on entering the battle area at any stage of the
exercise. There would have been no extra problems in feeding and
replenishing the crews and vehicles. The Cromwells, or a percentage
of them, would have been tired with less sleep to look forward to
and would have kept a large number of people busy in the harbor
area most of the night. The Centaurs would never have been at the
right place at the right time and their crews would have been of
little fighting value should they have had long approach marches or
should they have been in action any length of time. Finally, the
words of the officer commanding, a Major Clifford. Centaur: I
should prefer not to take a squadron of Centaurs on active service.
I consider it is underpowered and unreliable and require more
maintenance in relation to running time than is justified. With
good average crews and the best of technical knowledge and
assistance available on this exercise it proved possible to get the
Centaurs round most of the road work and some of the
cross-country, but in a normal field squadron with no more than a
fitter per troop and the rest of the Regiment’s demands on L.A.D
and the Brigade’s demand on workshops, I do not think that one of
them would have completed this operation and many would have had to
be abandoned at an early date. The crew fatigue in fighting and
maintaining this type of tank would be I consider an impossible
handicap. This tank can be dangerous to its crew and other road
users. We narrowly averted two bad accidents and unfortunately had
one fatal crash which were all due to circumstances over which the
driver had no control. Cromwell This tank has, in my opinion, the
makings of a wonderful fighting machine but I do not consider it to
be out of the experimental stage yet. For this reason alone I
should not be entirely happy to take a squadron of Cromwells to war
although I feel they would give an excellent account of themselves
if properly handled. As was ordered on this exercise I would keep
their maximum speed down to 30mph otherwise a host of track and
suspension trouble could be expected; only on the rarest
occasions and then in the fullest knowledge of what I was doing
would I order a higher speed. There appears much to be put right
still and it is not the purpose of this report to trespass on
technical grounds but I believe such points as improved cooling for
brakes, a possibility of direct as opposed to hydraulic steering
and a stronger suspension are now under test and will all assist to
make this tank satisfactory for war. At the moment the relation of
running time to maintenance, although nowhere near as high as
Centaur, is I think a severe problem when crews must fight,
drive and maintain for days on end. […] Crews are [..] confused,
and uncertain and are definitely suspicious of the Cromwell’s
steering reliability. […] Sherman There is little that I can say.
This type of tank seems to be almost without reproach and
personally I would be delighted to take a Sherman squadron to war.
They are utterly reliable and have a magnificent gun which in my
opinion are the two main considerations. I do not think they are
quite as good as the Cromwell across country when they are running
on rather worn rubber tracks and the going is greasy, neither does
one get as smooth a ride, but they appear so infinitely superior in
every other way particularly in reliability with a minimum of
maintenance that this cross-country consideration is completely
overweighed. In some respects I feel that the Sherman carries
rather too many electrical gadgets which occasionally give rise to
trouble and it would appear that some of them could well be done
away with without any detriment to the machine’s performance. Their
slow speed (by comparison to the Cromwell) had very little effect
on their time into harbor each night. This was largely due to the
fact that they hardly ever had an involuntary halt and were able to
keep a perfect distance and march discipline throughout the 2,000
mile run. Crew fatigue was at a minimum and maximum rest obtained.
[…] I would be glad to take a Sherman squadron to war tomorrow and
a Cromwell after several month’s further trial and experiment.
Finally: On the firing trials at Lulworth it was found that only
one tank of British manufacture was able to shoot without gun
fitter attention, whereas all Shermans merely T and A’d their
sights and drove up and fired all guns without a hitch.
Now, Dracula was only the first of two of such
exercises. After a bit of tweaking, Cromwell was put through
another round of testing a bit later, and it did a little better.
The takeaways from this are firstly that Sherman had established
and cemented a wonderful reputation with the British in 1943,
especially in comparison with domestic machines, and secondly, that
it is an indicator that the US Army’s testing of the British
product was quite fair, not subject to particular bias, and a
generally accurate assessment of the state of British vs American
tank production. In any case, if you want to follow my Tanks with
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A little while ago, you will recall, I
came across a report of comparative testing between two
British cruisers (Centaur and Cromwell) and Sherman in the
US The British vehicles did not come across well. There was
some speculation on the forum that perhaps there was a little
national bias in the report, and that also there may have been
issues with unfamiliarity with the foreign equipment. Well, I was
doing a bit of digging in the British archives, and found an
interesting counterpoint. Firstly, a letter from a British
observer, a chap named Alec Richardson, presumably of the British
Tank Mission. Letter dated 15thOctober 1943, amongst other topics,
there’s a section entitled “On Centaur and Cromwell”. I quote:
These tanks have made us a laughing stock out here. The Cromwell
has had a variety of troubles, and it was mad only sending out only
one of each. The Americans are politely indifferent to what happens
to them and Waller, the Rolls Royce man with them, is most unhappy
and wants them withdrawn as soon as possible. We are undoubtedly
the world’s worst salesmen! I strongly advise we send out no more
British tanks until they are reliable, and then, when we do, we
send out about two trained troops with a first class officer in
charge of them. We have lost a lot of prestige over these pool lone
derelicts. Finally, and I consider this most important, WE MUST
MAKE A FIRST CLASS CRUISER AND LIGHT TANK AT HOME, however long it
takes us. The new Cromwell should fill the interim, for, say, the
next year or two, but WE MUST REGAIN OUR PRESTIGE. The Americans
have been a bit in the doldrums lately with their T.20s, but they
will emerge and produce the goods in due course. This is our chance
to get ahead of them, but we must redesign, and not be content with
botching up an obsolescent type Forgive me for being so didactic,
as I feel it’s mainly my fault we haven’t got a good tank now!
Whether he felt the sample size was representative or not, in any
case he makes no mention of perceived national bias. There is,
however, a control case. There is a rather large file in the
British archives about an “Exercise Dracula”, in which the British
Army, between 04AUG43 and 22SEP43, ran a full squadron of tanks
against each other. At least 2x Cromwell III, 3x Cromwell I, 3x
Centaur I, 3x M4A2 and 3x M4A4. The final report, marked “Most
Secret”, was filed by Major General A.C. Richardson. The first ten
days of the exercise was preparation and checking of the vehicles
at Bovington. Then, 15AUG to 12SEP were road and cross-country
trials round England, returning to Bovington after approximately
2,000 miles. The remainder of the exercise was “intensive road and
cross-country running in the vicinity of Bovington” The General
noted: Owing to the enthusiasm and keenness displayed by all ranks,
and the competitive spirit between crews to achieve the maximum
possible performance of their own particular machine, it must be
assessed that the results are probably better than would have been
the case under active service conditions, where the amenities such
as concrete standings, blacked out workshops, etc, would not have
been so readily available. In order that the exercise should not be
unduly delayed, it was decided to close down when one machine of
each type reached 3,000 miles. This was not possible in the case of
Centaur as the top mileage machine was only 2,516 when the Cromwell
and Shermans reached 3,000 miles, and the state of the machine was
such as to preclude further running without major fitter
attention.” [Note to Americans: “Fitter” is English for mechanic]
The final conditions of the vehicles was as follows:
He continued: “Special attention is drawn to the
[table which shows] the comparative man-hours of specialist fitter
attention required to keep the various types of machines on the
road”
Yes, I know it says 5 Centaurs and only 3 are listed
in the earlier table. I have no explanation, and neither is one
given in the report. Possible it was just a typo. Interestingly,
the appendix pages also make references to Cromwell Xs, without
saying where they came from. I am fairly convinced that the entire
report was not in the box. Anyway, his overall opinions. The
performance of the Shermans throughout the exercise has been
outstanding as regards reliability and durability, and the
enthusiasm shown by their crews is proof of their confidence in
this type of machine. This is not only in respect of their
mechanical reliability, but also in respect of their
“fightability”, as was clearly proved at Lulworth when their
armament was tested. Centaurs: Underpowered, unreliable and
unwanted as a tank, owing to its characteristics which do not
compare favourably with tanks of current design.
Cromwells: Spectacular as regards speed, but doubtful
as regards maneuverability and control, owing to unreliability of
steering and brakes. Doubtful as regards durability over 2,000
miles, owing to the stresses and strains experienced by the Meteor
engine when mounted in the hull of a tank and subjected to reverse
torque, which an aero engine is not normally called upon to do
Should the Cromwell be made entirely reliable mechanically, there
is still the question of its “fightability” to be considered as at
present its gun mountings and accessories leave much to be desired
I’m not going to go into the various details of the failings the
various vehicles suffered, but a general overview can
be found here: Some observations by the records keepers. Oi/c
Cruiser records, name not provided, stated, inter alia: Cromwells:
The performance of these machines was very disappointing as,
without exception, the failures were all old troubles experienced
before, and, one might have hoped by now, ought to have been
rectified. With nearly all crews this was their first introduction
to the Cromwells and it was obvious after the first few failures
that the drivers had lost confidence in this machine. However, from
a purely driving angle, all crews agreed that it is a beautiful
tank to handle, and the power unit of 600hp is a definite
step forward in design. Centaurs: These machines up to about
1,500 miles put up an improved performance in comparison to earlier
machines. The biggest surprise being the clutch which now appears
serviceable, whereas in our previous experience 800 miles was the
limit before the races broke up in the cam box. The engine is still
far from oil tight with the result that radiators have to be
cleaned constantly. Petrol starvation was another constantly
recurring trouble. […] One can only hope that units are receiving
these machines for training purposes only. Driving (Both). One of
the biggest troubles with crews was their inability to adjust the
brakes properly even when cold. This adjustment leaves much to be
desired and when the vehicle is hot, medical attention is usually
necessary for burnt arms, hands and necks etc. […] Two points of
bad driving was constantly noticed. (1) overrevving (ii) bad
cornering- usually trying to negotiate with (a) too high a gear or
(b) with too few revs. Both of these points, to my mind, would be
covered by a rev counter – an essential instrument conducive to
good driving His Sherman counterpart, a Captain Shaw, made the
following observations, amongst others: The Shermans on the whole
were extremely reliable and gave very little trouble. All were
fitted prior to the trial with rubber tracks and this in a large
measure accounts for the little suspension trouble experienced
during the trial. […] On the M4A2 type the engines have given no
trouble except for the initial failure of the two injectors on No
9. The injectors on all vehicles have not been touched except for
checking for correct adjustment.[…] On the M4A4 type little trouble
has been experienced except for ordinary running maintenance
jobs.
The next report in the packet was from a Major Ronald
of the Westminster Dragoons, position un-stated. Excerpts follow:
Reliability: The outstanding lesson of this exercise has been to me
the exceptional reliability of the American machines. All my ideas,
based on 2 ½ years experience with an armoured regiment equipped
with British machines have had to be revised, and though before the
exercise started I was inclined to think that perhaps Sherman was
somewhat overrated I am completely convinced of the superiority of
this machine over anything that this country has produced up to
date. It is evident that the commander of a unit equipped with
Shermans can be confident of taking 99% of his vehicles into
battle, at any rate during the first 2,000 miles of their life. On
the other hand, if he were equipped with Cromwells or Centaurs he
would be in a continuous state of anxiety as to whether enough of
his tanks would reach the battlefield to carry out the normal tasks
expected of his unit. Conditions of Trial: The exercise has been
run under conditions which have been very favourable to the
machines and particularly so to the less reliable ones. Long
mileages have been done, but […] the squadron has always reached
harbor in time to carry out maintenance in daylight. […] Even so,
the British machines have only been kept on the road by dint of
much hard work. It is safe to say that such conditions are never
likely to be encountered during operations, and less easy
conditions will, of course, react unfavourably on reliability and
battleworthiness. Fitter and Light Aid Detachment Staff: A fine
result has ben achieved in bringing back to the starting point 13
of the original 14 starters after 2,000 miles around England. It
must be remembered, however, that the Squadron has had the
advantage of far greater technical assistance than is available to
the normal armoured squadron. It is only this very lavish scale of
fitters, L.A.D. etc that has enabled the Cromwells and Centaurs to
be brought back to Bovington under their own power and even then
much night work and long hours have had to be worked.
Design and erection Taking a broad view of the
exercise it appears that only a few defects can be ascribed to bad
erection. Centaur governors and gear box oil seal on both Centaur
and Cromwell should not have given trouble had erection and
inspection been properly carried out and the many petrol stoppages
are partly due to tanks having foreign matter in them on delivery I
suggest, however, that most of the troubles are really due to
indifferent design. The radiator arrangement is simply asking for
trouble and it is certainly a possibility that rod-operated
steering control and re-positioned adjusters would go a long way to
solve the steering troubles which were so frequent. The petrol tap
is to the lay-mind a most unnecessarily complicated affair. The
track adjustment on Centaur and Cromwell III is quite impossible
from an operational standpoint and was, of course, tried out in a
slightly simpler form on Covenanter and Crusader where it was never
thought satisfactory by field units. General conclusions: The
simplicity and reliability of the American machines in contrast
with the British production is to me the chief lesson of Dracula.
The Cromwell could, no doubt, be made into an equally good fighting
vehicle but the re-designing necessary should, I suggest, have as
its chief object simplicity which, in turn, will bring reliability.
The 2i/c, Captain Priestley of the Coldstream Guards, had a single
page at the end, focusing on the sorts of things XOs focus on.
Cromwell: In theory the tank crews of this type should have had the
easiest time in that, during the early stages of the exercise
anyway, they were scheduled to arrive first. In practice, however,
on most occasions one or two of them arrived late at night, thus
involving a late meal being required, guides being left out, petrol
lorries being kept waiting and consequent loss of rest and sleep to
a large number of personnel in addition to the tank crews
themselves. It was also noticeable that Last Parade [American
translation: After operations checks and services] took at
least 1 ½ hours which was greatly in excess of the time taken by
the Shermans and consequently the crews showed much greater signs
of fatigue. Centaur: The same remarks apply as to the Cromwell,
only in a far greater degree. Numbers of personnel were kept up
until the early hours of the morning waiting to feed and replenish
the tanks. Arrangements were always being made so that fitters,
etc, could work all night on them. Added to this they almost
invariably left late in the morning, thus hindering the clearing up
of the administrative area. If they had to be refilled with
ammunition as well, they could never have kept pace with the rest
of the column.
Sherman (diesel) 4A2 These tanks were no bother from
an administrative angle. They often arrived before even the
Cromwells – they never required refilling en route, their Last
Parade was short and their crews always received their hot evening
meal at the correct time. A full night’s rest was had by all and if
it had only been a case of administering these tanks everybody
would have had considerably more rest and sleep and dinners for all
would have tasted much nicer owing to not having to be kept for
long hours after they had been cooked. Sherman (Petrol) 4A4 The
same remarks apply to this type as to the other Shermans except
that they took slightly longer to arrive. They did create one small
problem in that owing to their heavier fuel consumption
arrangements had to be made to refuel them en route when the
remainder of the tanks could complete the distance quite
comfortably without. Conclusion: In an exercise that is largely of
a technical character it is easy to overlook some of the vital
administrative points which stand out particularly when no actual
fighting is being done. After considering the facts, however, it is
plain that the crews of all Sherman tanks would have been 100%
fighting fit on entering the battle area at any stage of the
exercise. There would have been no extra problems in feeding and
replenishing the crews and vehicles. The Cromwells, or a percentage
of them, would have been tired with less sleep to look forward to
and would have kept a large number of people busy in the harbor
area most of the night. The Centaurs would never have been at the
right place at the right time and their crews would have been of
little fighting value should they have had long approach marches or
should they have been in action any length of time. Finally, the
words of the officer commanding, a Major Clifford. Centaur: I
should prefer not to take a squadron of Centaurs on active service.
I consider it is underpowered and unreliable and require more
maintenance in relation to running time than is justified. With
good average crews and the best of technical knowledge and
assistance available on this exercise it proved possible to get the
Centaurs round most of the road work and some of the
cross-country, but in a normal field squadron with no more than a
fitter per troop and the rest of the Regiment’s demands on L.A.D
and the Brigade’s demand on workshops, I do not think that one of
them would have completed this operation and many would have had to
be abandoned at an early date. The crew fatigue in fighting and
maintaining this type of tank would be I consider an impossible
handicap. This tank can be dangerous to its crew and other road
users. We narrowly averted two bad accidents and unfortunately had
one fatal crash which were all due to circumstances over which the
driver had no control. Cromwell This tank has, in my opinion, the
makings of a wonderful fighting machine but I do not consider it to
be out of the experimental stage yet. For this reason alone I
should not be entirely happy to take a squadron of Cromwells to war
although I feel they would give an excellent account of themselves
if properly handled. As was ordered on this exercise I would keep
their maximum speed down to 30mph otherwise a host of track and
suspension trouble could be expected; only on the rarest
occasions and then in the fullest knowledge of what I was doing
would I order a higher speed. There appears much to be put right
still and it is not the purpose of this report to trespass on
technical grounds but I believe such points as improved cooling for
brakes, a possibility of direct as opposed to hydraulic steering
and a stronger suspension are now under test and will all assist to
make this tank satisfactory for war. At the moment the relation of
running time to maintenance, although nowhere near as high as
Centaur, is I think a severe problem when crews must fight,
drive and maintain for days on end. […] Crews are [..] confused,
and uncertain and are definitely suspicious of the Cromwell’s
steering reliability. […] Sherman There is little that I can say.
This type of tank seems to be almost without reproach and
personally I would be delighted to take a Sherman squadron to war.
They are utterly reliable and have a magnificent gun which in my
opinion are the two main considerations. I do not think they are
quite as good as the Cromwell across country when they are running
on rather worn rubber tracks and the going is greasy, neither does
one get as smooth a ride, but they appear so infinitely superior in
every other way particularly in reliability with a minimum of
maintenance that this cross-country consideration is completely
overweighed. In some respects I feel that the Sherman carries
rather too many electrical gadgets which occasionally give rise to
trouble and it would appear that some of them could well be done
away with without any detriment to the machine’s performance. Their
slow speed (by comparison to the Cromwell) had very little effect
on their time into harbor each night. This was largely due to the
fact that they hardly ever had an involuntary halt and were able to
keep a perfect distance and march discipline throughout the 2,000
mile run. Crew fatigue was at a minimum and maximum rest obtained.
[…] I would be glad to take a Sherman squadron to war tomorrow and
a Cromwell after several month’s further trial and experiment.
Finally: On the firing trials at Lulworth it was found that only
one tank of British manufacture was able to shoot without gun
fitter attention, whereas all Shermans merely T and A’d their
sights and drove up and fired all guns without a hitch.
Now, Dracula was only the first of two of such
exercises. After a bit of tweaking, Cromwell was put through
another round of testing a bit later, and it did a little better.
The takeaways from this are firstly that Sherman had established
and cemented a wonderful reputation with the British in 1943,
especially in comparison with domestic machines, and secondly, that
it is an indicator that the US Army’s testing of the British
product was quite fair, not subject to particular bias, and a
generally accurate assessment of the state of British vs American
tank production. In any case, if you want to follow my Tanks with
Hats series on my Facebook page, click
here:
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The_Chieftain: I wouldn't rate 17pr AP as particularly inaccurate, in fact, it
seems to have been of quite serviceable accuracy. The problem in
that image is that the 76mm and 90mm were of very good accuracy, so
it's simply a relative statement.
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dinodave, on Jul 04 2014 - 16:51, said: I have been searching and there are two things I cant quite figure
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