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Vallter
Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
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20.07.2011 19:12:46
 
Subject: News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
Link on message: #727247

View PostBonewisher, on 20 July 2011 - 06:10 PM, said: Fragstealers aren't the most popular players around, nor the most valuable player either.
What's the point in frags when XP is based on damage? I care less of kills as long as I deal great numbers in dmg. The team that makes the most damage the fastest will win the battle.

Vallter: It is only player, who decide how he earns frags. We cannot restrict the certain way of combat. And just as you mentioned, fragstealers suffer too. They have worse win rate and less XP earned per battle.


Vallter
Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
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20.07.2011 19:09:33
 
Subject: News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
Link on message: #727236

View Postneitmehr, on 20 July 2011 - 06:05 PM, said: Well, I think you should also edit your quote, to remove any connections to a certain clan. Can I R...O... y... - No? At least I tried. ;)

Vallter: Yes, you can Read Only and not write, if it is your desire.


Vallter
Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
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20.07.2011 19:03:17
 
Subject: News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
Link on message: #727213

View Postneitmehr, on 20 July 2011 - 06:01 PM, said: Yesssssss, I knew it from the start. Kills are the most valuable thing in WoT. Nothing more, but nothing less.
Thank you Wargaming. You're awesome.
may contain sarcasm

Vallter: Contest texts, announcements and news may contain advertisements. ;)


Vallter
Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
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20.07.2011 19:00:38
 
Subject: News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
Link on message: #727205

View PostnQben, on 20 July 2011 - 05:58 PM, said: Fun contest! Good to have a little competition against other players!
but just a few things for the future announcements
1.
Can't you announce it sooner, so more people have time to prepare, not all have those tiers anymore or even went that line.
To take an example:
If i was to have all tree tiers i need to not only grind experience for tier 4 arti, grind credits for buying the tanks in question. but dont have any time to do it before the time runs out.
2.
announce it sooner and do it like this, lets say the contest is the 25 July, announce it today, but tell the community that the contest will run from 24th 5pm - 25th 5pm, then people have as i've stated above.
but again nice touch to the otherwise trivial days of gaming :)

Vallter: Yes, next time we will announce them earlier.


Vallter
Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
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20.07.2011 18:53:49
 
Subject: News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
Link on message: #727186

View PostCaptainMidlands, on 20 July 2011 - 05:50 PM, said: How are you going to filter out staged random battles? Whats to stop FBC getting 50-60 people together. All in T5-7 mixes and all clicking Battle as one and basically stacking the sides, not unheard of (we have had 9 of our clan on one side before). Then they simply meet at one spot, one tank kills all 9-10 tanks and screenshots and repeat.
All so why over the next 24 hours? My best was 8 in a VK3601, in a clan battle against T7-9's. I don't see why that shouldn't count against some nub rolling round stealing 10% kills all day

Vallter: 1)I think, we will be able to see such kind of cheating on end battle screenies. ;) Also, please, remove any connections to a certain clan, or I'll have to RO you. Thanks.
2)Because for this we have permanent statistics. The contest purpose is to encourage players to make new records.


Vallter
Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
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20.07.2011 18:50:51
 
Subject: News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
Link on message: #727175

View Postminirhyder, on 20 July 2011 - 05:48 PM, said: Do these battles have to happen today/tomorrow? I mean if someone pulls out a screen shot from a month ago will that also count? And how would you tell anyway?

Vallter: Only battles held after the contest announcement and before it's end will count. First, we will check the screenchots. Second, in-game logs.


Vallter
Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
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20.07.2011 18:43:48
 
Subject: News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
Link on message: #727139

View PostIIvo, on 20 July 2011 - 05:42 PM, said: What if two players have same number of kills?

Vallter: They will receive same amount of gold-)


Vallter
Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
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20.07.2011 18:40:46
 
Subject: News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
Link on message: #727126

View PostAskara, on 20 July 2011 - 05:38 PM, said: When i'm trying to do a Screenshot with "Ctrl+Print" and going into Gimp, Paint or Word, i only paste a Black Screen :blink:
what i'm doing wrong?
Or is there a Folder in the game-directory?

Vallter: All screenshots are saved in the main game folder.


Vallter
Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
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20.07.2011 18:39:30
 
Subject: News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
Link on message: #727123

View PostSimpleMinds64, on 20 July 2011 - 05:33 PM, said: Dear Community,
first of all i need to say that WarGaming provides really very often interesting contests and that can´t be praised enough !
but ...
in the case of this newest event i would like to add some critical notes:
a.) the deadline... 21.07. ... as far as i know i eneter every day the forum to read through announcements and interesting topics...
now i have just come back from work, what means for me i am now starting my second job (my own business) which will lead me to work until 21.00 GMT(+1)
therefor the timeframe of a few hours until the contest will already been finished is extremely short .... ok, that is most likely my own problem, but anyway i think i will speak for some
more people who have family, work, duties etc etc ....
b.) Fairness in this event ... well i will take me as an example, i have a VK3601, with 100% Crew (+100% repair, +100% fire, + 70% camo) ... i use conic gun with gold munition and i have played the tank 935 battles
with 1.377 kills and an average xp of 770, furthermore -10% reloader is installed, +10% targeting, + ventilation .... if that is exemplary amazing i do not know, but anyway i take it as an example that i think that the
majority won´t have similar featured VK3601 tanks...
Quintessence: it would be only fair if battles would be arranged in which only the allowed tanks could participate with clear defined equipment ....
c.) in my very honest opinion i would suggest to start a longer lasting contest like a tournament (no problem to specify the allowed tanks as announced) .... but with more significant attributes
like: result with one tank over 10 (or discussable more) battles, including achieved medals, seperated between premium and non-premium players with highest reached XP
i could add a couple of more things but unfortunately i have to work now again (business is waiting) but i wanted to point out a few things before the event is already finished Posted Image
anyway, best of luck to all competitors, have fun and may the best MVP´s win...
RalfPosted Image

Vallter: 1 - these contest are planned as short 24 hour events. You can play three good battles and submit the results. It will cost you 50 minutes. You can try to make better battles. Well, it will cost you more time.
3 - we have many tournaments running each month. There is no need to run more of them
2 - thank you for the suggestion. We will take it into consideration.


Vallter
Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
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20.07.2011 18:27:50
 
Subject: News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
Link on message: #727082

View PostVeRDAMMT, on 20 July 2011 - 05:25 PM, said: Does a screenshot from your statistic page (with the maximum number of enemies killed) counts?
This, i mean:
Posted Image

Vallter: Nope, it should be a 'fresh' battle, played during next 32.5 hours.


Mr_Kubrick
CONCOURS: Most Valuable Player
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20.07.2011 18:22:30
 
Subject: CONCOURS: Most Valuable Player
Link on message: #727058

Mr_Kubrick: Désolé, les gars, mais quand même c'est une opportunité favorable pour gagner un peu d'or :Smile-playing:


Vallter
Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
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20.07.2011 18:16:35
 
Subject: News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
Link on message: #727041

View Postshnbwmn, on 20 July 2011 - 05:15 PM, said: This should be useful:
Posted Image
Posted Image

Vallter: Posted Image
Unfortunately, basing on that ratings, it is hard to find out, how player's statistics changed during a short period of time.


Vallter
Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
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20.07.2011 18:08:35
 
Subject: News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Most Valuable Player: Kill'em All
Link on message: #727004

View PostFireflyDivision, on 20 July 2011 - 04:34 PM, said: No its not. Its the damage you've done.
Ah well, lets start killstealing...

Vallter: Unfortunately, we can only take in consideration kill statistics

View PostArsaneus, on 20 July 2011 - 04:41 PM, said: I hope you filter out staged tank company battles?
Else you know what could happen.
Also I think the contest should be "Who go the most Battle Hero awards in a battle". This is at least a bit more useful than kills.

Vallter: Yes.
There will be such contest as well. It is already scheduled. We will make such competitions each week for different type of tanks and achievements (for example, the next will be for XP points gained per battle). After we will collect feedback from you and make a set, which will be repeated regularly.


Mr_Kubrick
CONCOURS: Most Valuable Player
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20.07.2011 17:24:36
 
Subject: CONCOURS: Most Valuable Player
Link on message: #726816

Mr_Kubrick: Qu'est-ce qui montre principalement le niveau de joueurs pendant les batailles ? Qu-est que nous voulons profondément obtenir ? Qu'est-ce qui nous donne le droit de nous appeler les Tireurs d'élite? Oui, le nombre des chars détruits pendant les batailles (frags). Tout le monde qui joue à WoT veut d’en gagner de plus possible et ce que nous voulons est rendre vos appétits encore plus forts! Nous cherchons une personne, qui gagne la plus grande quantité de frags jusqu'au 21 juillet 23:59 UTC.
Règles du concours :
- Le concours est ouvert à tous;
- Les joueurs doivent soumettre les résultats de leurs 3 batailles avec le plus grand nombre de frags;
- Pour soumettre le résultat de la bataille, les joueurs doivent poster le screenshot du résultat de bataille, et le message qui apparaît dans le garage. Faire le screenshot Ctrl + Impécr Syst. Si votre clavier n'a pas de telle touche, on vous conseille d'utiliser n'importe quel logiciel gratuit;
Exemple :

Image postée
Image postée
- Les joueurs peuvent participer à 3 catégories différentes : les chars Moyens, les chars Destroyers et les Fusils Automoteurs. Chaque catégorie sera jugée séparément;
- Pour la catégorie de chars Moyens seulement le gradin 6 chars sont permis (T-34-85, VK 3601 (h), VK 3001 (h), VK 3001 (P), M4A3E8 Sherman);
- Pour la catégorie de chars Destroyers seulement le gradin 5 véhicules sont permis (SU-85, Stug III, M10 Wolverine);
- Pour la catégorie SPG seulement le gradin 4 véhicules sont permis (SU-5, Grille, M7 Priest);
- Tout les résultats de bataille peuvent être soumis de nouveau pendant l'événement;
- Le même joueur peut gagner dans plus qu'une catégorie.
Aux vainqueur dans chaque catégorie on décernera 3 000 or
la deuxième place vous apportera 2 500 Or
le troisième gagnera 2 000 Or.
Vous pouvez poster vos links ici


LiannaSilverwind
WOT slang
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20.07.2011 16:31:40
 
Subject: Game Discussion\Newcomers' Forum\WOT slang
Link on message: #726624

View Post_harry, on 20 July 2011 - 08:19 AM, said: Only partly agree to that one. Yes many times used by a person that is somewhere alone (why asking for help if team is around?). But it's many times the one that descided not to go with lemming train and tries to defend a left alone flank.
He might get the attention of Arty and the one TD back in base cause those know they will be shot next if this one dies.

LiannaSilverwind: I agree with you, Harry. Unfortunately usually it's the case of lone rusher.


LiannaSilverwind
This is STILL the best game I have played
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20.07.2011 16:11:34
 
Subject: Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\This is STILL the best game I have played
Link on message: #726566

View Postph0enX, on 20 July 2011 - 08:11 AM, said: @Lianna: It's interesting "how good support" is working. I have a performance problem and noone replied for days. And If I have questions about some weird stuff in gameplay I just get quotes of the wiki. Also I get some "You don't understand the Game"- like replies because th support says that there are no 0% hits. But they are there. Just look at my Polly I opened. 1-2% of people do not have them or just not know what shots are exactly meant. Or they are blinded by weird gameplay rules of the Dev team.

LiannaSilverwind: I cannot speak for Support, but in case you have questions, there is only one thing to do - ask them.
Considering 0 damage hit, it's usually simple case. Not always, but often.
I fire at enemy cannon. I get "Penetration!", he does not even get cannon damage. How so? Because I have damaged his cannon, but it was not enough to make cannon damaged. Every module has HP. Therefore common misunderstanding is: "Hey! No damage at all!" when in fact you DID damage him, but NOT ENOUGH YET to make real difference.
And then there are bugs. :)


LiannaSilverwind
EU Questions & Answers
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20.07.2011 16:08:03
 
Subject: Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\EU Questions & Answers
Link on message: #726557

View PostKoo294, on 20 July 2011 - 02:01 PM, said: So what Lianna posted was incorrect?
Also, i know said situations are impossible, they are just to show the system does not work. For example T6 and tier 9 can get in the same battle. I would certainly rather have 2 T9 on my team than 3 T6.

LiannaSilverwind: My examples did include IS-3, Panther II and VK3601H. VK3601H may not meet Panther II unless platooned with something with higher balance weight.
People often ask: why do they have 2x Panther and 1x Ferdinand while we have only 2x stock IS-3? The reason is simple:
2x medium 8 = 16, 1x TD 8 = 8, Total = 24
2x heavy 8 = 16 * 1.45 = 23.2
Balancer does not care for cannon nor equipment currently. It did before, but it led to even more questions and misunderstandings.


Vallter
MVP: Kill'em all
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20.07.2011 15:56:50
 
Subject: Contests & Competitions\Contests\MVP: Kill'em all
Link on message: #726508

Vallter: What mainly shows players skills during battles? What do we all deeply want to obtain? What gives us the right to name ourselves Top Gunners? Yes, this thing is tanks destroyed during battles (frags). Everybody who plays WoT wants as many of them as possible and what we want is to make your appetites even stronger! We are looking for a person, who earns the biggest quantity of frags till July 21st 23:59 UTC.
Important notes about the contest:
- Every player can participate;
- Players are to submit the results of their 3 battles with the biggest number of kills (frags);
- To submit the result of the battle, players have to post screenshots of post-battle stats and of the battle results garage pop-up message. To take a screenshot press Ctrl+PrtScr. If your keyboard does not have such keys, you are advised to use any free software;
Example:

Posted Image
Posted Image
- Players can participate in 3 different categories: Medium Tanks, Tank Destroyers and Self-Propelled Guns. Each category will be judged separately;
- For the Medium Tanks category only Tier 6 tanks are allowed (T-34-85, VK 3601 (h), VK 3001 (h), VK 3001 (P), M4A3E8 Sherman);
- For the Tank Destroyers category only Tier 5 vehicles are allowed (SU-85, Stug III, M10 Wolverine);
- For the SPG category only Tier 4 vehicles are allowed (SU-5, Grille, M7 Priest);
- All contest entries (battle results) can be resubmitted during the event;
- The same player can win in more than one category.
Winners in each category will be awarded 3,000 Gold, the second place will bring you 2,500 Gold and the third prize-holder will enjoy 2,000 Gold.
Attention! The Administration reserves the right to cancel or prolong the event.
P.S. To help ensure the competitions are fun and no user violates forum rules or brings inconveniences to other players, the event sections are strictly moderated.
The discussion thread is here
Back to article
Only posts containing Contest Works are to be posted in this thread, any discussion, comments or messages will be deleted and sanctioned. If you have any questions regarding the event you can PM them to me or Cheeka.


Overlord
EU Questions & Answers
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20.07.2011 15:55:22
 
Subject: Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\EU Questions & Answers
Link on message: #726503

View PostLobo, on 20 July 2011 - 09:36 AM, said: Overlord can you check this bug and tell us something about it ?
bug
Are you going to fix it or was something "meant to be" ?
Tested same spot with KV3 100DT10 got 30% with an HE shot there and 23% with an AP.
Thanks

Overlord: The armor behind the mantlet is relatively thin. However there is a bug related to HE shell mechanics hitting mantlets. The issue is known.


LiannaSilverwind
The Battle of Kursk
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20.07.2011 15:53:05
 
Subject: News from the Front\Developers Blog\The Battle of Kursk
Link on message: #726495

View Postsekteilone, on 20 July 2011 - 02:27 PM, said: Mhm....maybe you should use more sources not only the russian ones.
Its clear that russians lost alot more tanks and men then the Germans did.
Germany felt back..not because they lost...because the allies were invading Sicily.
THIS was the point were Operation Citadel was aborted.

LiannaSilverwind: Let's speak about dates based on "incredible source" called Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia....Battle_of_Kursk, that I suppose is not influenced by Soviet propaganda.
Allied landing on Sicily: 9-10th July 1943
Model from the North - last minor gains on 10th July. Advance has stopped.
Manstein from the South - stalemate at 12th July, German believed they have only the last line before them, when they had five more to breach.
Three days later (past 9-10th July), Hitler summoned Günther von Kluge and Erich von Manstein to his Wolfsschanze headquarters in East Prussia and declared his intention to "temporarily" call off Operation Zitadelle. Von Manstein attempted to dissuade him, arguing that Zitadelle was on the brink of victory: "on no account should we let go of the enemy until the mobile reserves which he had committed were decisively beaten". In an unusual reversal of their roles, Hitler gave von Manstein a few more days to continue the offensive, but on 17 July, he ordered a withdrawal and canceled the operation. He then ordered the entire SS Panzer Korps to be transferred to Italy.


Mr_Kubrick
La guerre en vidéos
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20.07.2011 15:50:47
 
Subject: La guerre en vidéos
Link on message: #726486

View PostNahtow, on 20 July 2011 - 02:45 PM, said: Marduk : Panzer Division
Sabaton 40:1 : http://www.youtube.c...h?v=epeQwq-aYV0
Trivium : Down From The Sky : http://www.youtube.c...h?v=EApnhO2OIrw
люБэ : Soldat  : http://www.youtube.c...h?v=5xSOK7ODLSM
люБэ : Kombat : http://www.youtube.c...h?v=wVYunQjHqfs

Mr_Kubrick: ЛЮБЭ!!!!!!!! :P


Overlord
EU Questions & Answers
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20.07.2011 15:36:47
 
Subject: Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\EU Questions & Answers
Link on message: #726445

View PostDiedel, on 20 July 2011 - 02:05 PM, said: Doesn't that make the DB somewhat useless, or what advantage/role/niche does the DB have against the Panther ?

Overlord: Panther will be rebalanced so as to fit tier 7 properly.


Overlord
The Battle of Kursk
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20.07.2011 15:02:39
 
Subject: News from the Front\Developers Blog\The Battle of Kursk
Link on message: #726305

View PostKenzu01, on 20 July 2011 - 12:21 PM, said: Horrible read. Terribly onesided, I cannot imagine how something like this gets to be published. Where is the objectivity? Any source critisism? Is this how the company sees the battle? If so it gives us a non too flattering picture of how the company perceives ww2 history in general.
You do know that articles such as this one does not sit too well in the west?

Overlord: What is the measure of objectivity? To calculate arithmetic mean of all opinions available?
Each post in this blog is somewhat subjective and reflects author's POV mostly. Arguing can be good, just stay courteous and at least respect the opposite POV.


Overlord
EU Questions & Answers
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20.07.2011 14:37:48
 
Subject: Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\EU Questions & Answers
Link on message: #726211

View PostGarst, on 20 July 2011 - 09:32 AM, said: That i know. Problem, that did say Wargaming since 2 months.
I ask other. With which patch come the artyracer back? This year or next year?

Overlord: When the solution is ready we will bring it to the game immediately. Have no intention to hold back any kind of content on purpose.


Mr_Kubrick
CONCOURS: Char impressioniste [Update]
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20.07.2011 14:36:04
 
Subject: CONCOURS: Char impressioniste [Update]
Link on message: #726206

View PostFoSkLJ, on 20 July 2011 - 01:07 PM, said: Donc mes photos ne sont pas admises pour ce concours ? :facepalmic: :huh:

Mr_Kubrick: Si!!!Il y en a 2 catégories))


Overlord
EU Questions & Answers
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20.07.2011 14:35:24
 
Subject: Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\EU Questions & Answers
Link on message: #726202

View PostGeorgePatton, on 20 July 2011 - 02:16 AM, said: Overlord, when is the second German TD line going to come out?
Cheers!
Glenn

Overlord: The timeline for it has not been fixed yet.


Overlord
EU Questions & Answers
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20.07.2011 14:32:56
 
Subject: Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\EU Questions & Answers
Link on message: #726195

View Postmp0wer, on 19 July 2011 - 07:54 PM, said: Overlord,
Myself included, lots of fans are wondering why the small content patches take the amount of time they do to make to the player. Could you give us a little background on the lead up processes prior to release? Maybe, use this as an episode of Wargaming TV? I would love to see how the pieces all come together prior to delivery!

Overlord: Will forward the idea to the guys responsible for WN TV.


Overlord
EU Questions & Answers
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20.07.2011 14:32:11
 
Subject: Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\EU Questions & Answers
Link on message: #726192

View PostKoo294, on 19 July 2011 - 06:59 PM, said: Why does the matchmaker tanks balanced by their tier? 2 KVs are no way near as good as an IS-7. Nor would i rather have a BT-2 and an IS-3 than an IS-4.

Overlord: It does not work this way. Moreover KV (unplatooned) can't get into the same battle with IS-7.


Overlord
EU Questions & Answers
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20.07.2011 14:31:16
 
Subject: Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\EU Questions & Answers
Link on message: #726186

View PostDiedel, on 19 July 2011 - 06:02 PM, said: Will the DB get that gun too ?

Overlord: No.


Overlord
EU Questions & Answers
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20.07.2011 14:28:27
 
Subject: Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\EU Questions & Answers
Link on message: #726179

View PostBaine, on 19 July 2011 - 06:01 PM, said: This was the answer to an old question regarding the invinicibility of GW E.
The question is, what is that certain value? Because it absorbs ALL the Splash, even on direct hits sometimes.

Overlord: Working as intended this time. Checked the skirts, they are fine.


OldFox
Konkurss uz I. un II. limena tankiem
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20.07.2011 12:29:18
 
Subject: International Forums\Baltic Forums\Latviešu\Turnīri un konkursi\Viktorīnas un konkursi\Konkurss uz I. un II. limena tankiem
Link on message: #725786

OldFox: Laikam konkursu varam slegt. Rezultati:
1. Lito - 5000 zelta.
2. MrO - 3000 żelta
3. Bluck - 2000 zelta.
Ludzu sos 3 cilvekus atsutit man ar privato vestuli a) niku, b ) serveri, kur spelejiet, c) loginu.
Zelts tiks ieskaitits lidz menesa beigam.


OldFox
Konkurss uz I. un II. limena tankiem
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20.07.2011 12:26:25
 
Subject: International Forums\Baltic Forums\Latviešu\Turnīri un konkursi\Viktorīnas un konkursi\Konkurss uz I. un II. limena tankiem
Link on message: #725774

View PostBluck, on 20 July 2011 - 07:09 AM, said: skaidrs boss :). šoreiz pieņēmi ?

OldFox: Ja, protams.


LiannaSilverwind
Wont be renewing my premium account until they nerf arty
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20.07.2011 12:21:50
 
Subject: Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\Wont be renewing my premium account until they nerf arty
Link on message: #725761

View PostWaagabondh, on 19 July 2011 - 02:30 PM, said: Artillery was anti infantry, it hardly dented tanks unless a direct hit. And that would be one in a million if that happened.
In WoT..its 8/10 to get a direct hit, 95% to get splash damage, and 3/100 to miss....

LiannaSilverwind: I am afraid historical data I've checked proved that artillery was cause of destruction for 80% tanks in WW2. Not aircraft, not mines, not other tanks. Artillery.
In WoT I prefer battles without artillery of course, it's much more easy and relaxing. One good platoon destroying full enemy team.


admin
The Battle of Kursk
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20.07.2011 11:10:53
 
Subject: News from the Front\Developers Blog\The Battle of Kursk
Link on message: #725552

admin: While mentioning the Battle of Kursk in front of most people immediately appear well known newsreel with attacking tank spearheads with infantry support and flying at low level IL-2 attack aircrafts. Huge number of scientific and journalistic publications and research works were written. A lot of popular-science and costume drama films about the Battle of Kursk Salient were created. All these materials have firmly ingrained in the public mind the association of the battles near Prokhorovka with the tank battle of July 12. And each research work gives to us the number of armored units and their qualitative characteristics, battle losses of armored vehicles, as well as the number of repaired vehicles (incredible efforts of field repair teams) but each work disregards the fact that in the end it was people who won the battle.
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So, the Command of the German armed forces decided to conduct massive offensive operation. However, the spring 1943 faced the German High Command with a very difficult decision. The first question was if the German troops could stabilize the situation on the Eastern front (not in terms of the complete defeat of the Soviet Union). The idea was if there was any possibility of achieving a draw? In the given situation on all fronts this solution meant for Germany the prospect to withstand as a state.
For the successful maintaining of the Operation “Citadel” the Germans concentrated powerful strike forces: over 900 thousands of ground forces, about 10 thousands artillery guns, 2,700 tanks and assault guns and about 2050 aircraft. Germans put high hopes on their latest “Tiger” and “Panther” tanks, SPGs “Elephant/(Ferdinand)”, “Focke-Wolf 190-A” fighters and “Henschel-129” attack aircraft. The Command of the Army Group “Center” led Field Marshal Gunther Hans von Kluge, and the Command of the Army Group “South” was headed by Field-Marshal-General Fritz Erich von Manstein.
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The Command of the Soviet forces decided to hold a defensive battle, exhaust the enemy forces and strike him back in a critical moment with decisive counterattack. For this purpose, on both directions of Kursk Salient was created defense in depth. The forces of the Central Front (commander - Gen. Konstantin Rokossovsky) defended the north front of the Kursk Salient, and the forces of the Voronezh Front (commander - Gen. Nikolai Vatutin) - southern front. The troops occupying the salient were based on the Stepnoy Front (commanded by Colonel General Ivan Konev). The forces of the Central and Voronezh Fronts had more than 1 million 300 thousand soldiers, up to 20 thousand guns and mortars, 3,600 tanks and self-propelled guns and about 2950 aircraft. However, in the battle was supposed to be applied (and that happened in reality) the forces of the Stepnoy Front under Gen/ Konev command. We should mention, that along with two Soviet group of forces had about 1.9million soldiers, about 4,900 tanks and self-propelled guns, about 27 thousand artillery barrels.
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According to the plan of the operation “Citadel" Army Group "Center" and "South" were assigned to attack and defeat Soviet forces acting on the Kursk Salient. Areas of cities Orel, Kursk and Belgorod became the focus of the German command. Deep overhang of the Soviet front in the line of the German disposition caused great concern among German Command officers. Using this overhang as a bridgehead, Soviet forces could strike at the tactical bound between army groups "Center" and "South" and make deep breakthrough into the central regions of Ukraine to the Dnieper. At the same time Hitler’s strategists could not resist the temptation of applying encounter attacks from the north and south to cut off the Kursk overhang. That would lead to the encirclement and elimination of a large group of Soviet troops on it. Afterwards, the German Command planned to start an offensive operation to the north-eastern or southern direction. Thus, Hitler’s generals intended to take revenge for Stalingrad. This operation considered to be of “high priority” at Hitler’s Supreme High Command General Headquarters. To maintain this operation the troops from other parts of the Eastern Front were transferred (from the Demyansk, Rzhev, from the Taman peninsula and other areas). By these means the combined force grouping on Kursk direction was strengthened with 32 divisions (including three tank and two motorized divisions).
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Supreme High Command General Headquarters of Soviet forces decided to adopt the deliberate defense. The Plan of the Red Army actions in the summer of 1943 started to be developed in April 1943, while Stalin made a final decision only in June. The Supreme Command of the Red Army was ready for decisive actions. Front Commanders such as Konstantin Rokossovsky, Nicholas F.Vatutin, Rodion Malinovsky, and some others considered that the continuation of offensive was a pressing need. However, the Supreme Commander did not want to risk and not fully shared the views of his commanders. Stalin was not sure in the success of the offensive as such summer operations of the Red Army had failed earlier. Defeats in the spring and summer of 1942 (the Crimea, under Luban, Demyansk, Bolhovom, Kharkov and Leningrad) was still fresh in his memory to hope for the luck. Stalin's doubts increased when the enemy plans of offensive in the Kursk area opened up.
It’s a well-known fact that on April 12, 1943 Stalin got the detailed text of the Directive No.6 “Plan of “Citadel” operation” by the German High Command, a document signed by all the services of the Wehrmacht (but had not yet been signed by Hitler - he will sign it only after three days). It is also is known that these data were obtained by a spy who worked under the name "Werter."
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The defense of Kursk was based primarily as an anti-tank defense. Was based on anti-tank defense centers (ATDC), constructed as a rule in battalion (company) areas of defense, and anti-tank fortified area (ATFA), and created by their own troops or within the regimental areas of defense. Anti-tank defense (ATD) was reinforced by artillery and anti-tank reserve. Fire systems of ATDC and ATFA tied to fire of artillery, located on the open and closed firing positions. An interesting moment was that even cannon and howitzer artillery was prepared to fire at enemy tanks over open sights. Tank crews of the second line and reserves prepared firing lines and tank ambushes. Flamethrower units, tank destroyer units and dog-anti-tank units were used to fight the enemy tanks. In front of the forefront and in its depth over 1 million anti-tank mines were planted and dozens kilometers of anti-tank obstacles: ditches, scarps, counterscarp, tank obstacles, forest abatis, etc. Another important element of anti-tank defense became mobile obstacle units MOU. The depth of ATD near Kursk reached 30-35 km for the first time in World War II. All available fire resources supposed to be used massively and according to the possible directions of enemy attacks.
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The Command of the Soviet Army took into account the fact that the enemy usually goes into the offensive with strong air support. Special attention had been drawn to the organization of anti-aircraft defense (AAD). To gain the objectives of AAD available anti-aircraft means were reinforced with anti-aircraft artillery of Fronts, fighters and considerable amount of Anti-Aircraft Forces of the country. More than 60% of combat forces were covered by two or three-layer anti-aircraft fire and fighter aircraft.
A huge help to the troops of the Fronts had been provided by the local population of Orel, Voronezh, Kursk, Sumy and Kharkov regions. To the construction of fortifications hundreds of thousands of people were involved. Thus in April in the area of the Central and Voronezh Fronts for defensive works were attracted more than 100 thousand people and in June nearly 300 thousand of people.
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The balance of forces by the beginning of the Battle of Kursk was the following. The command of German forces involved over 900 thousand people, about 10 thousand guns and mortars, more than 2.7 thousand tanks and SPGs and more than 2 thousand planes to conduct offensive actions of “Citadel” operation. The soviet Army had the forces of the Central and Voronezh Fronts with more than 1.3 million people, 19.1 thousand guns and mortars, more than 3,4 thousand tanks and SPGs, 2.9 thousand aircraft. Consequently, Soviet Armies (excluding the Stepnoy Front) had superiority over the enemy in men by 1.4 times, in the artillery (not including rocket launchers and antiaircraft guns) - 1.9, in tanks and SPGs - in 1.2 and in the aircraft - 1.4-times. Based on the analysis of the current situation Fronts Commanders increasingly questioned the decision of a high command to move to a deliberate defense. General Vatutin tried to convince Wasilevski and later Stalin that this situation of deliberate defense is hardly advisable, since it leads to loss of valuable time, and eventually could lead to the disruption of all his plans of the summer-autumn 1943 campaign plan. He believed that it was necessary to take pre-emptive offensive actions. The Supreme Commander ordered to work out the plan of this possible offensive operation carefully and asked Vatutin, Rokossovsky and Malinowski (Commander of the Southwestern Front) to provide their suggestions to General Headquarters of Supreme Commander. But Zhukov and Vasilevsky, firmly convinced of the need to meet the German offensive at Kursk, defended the previously developed plan.
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Thus, in a period of relative peace on the Eastern front, which lasted from late March to early July 1943, the warring parties made a huge effort to fully prepare for the upcoming battles. The Soviet Union and its armed forces were to fully commit to these battles. It was required to make the best use of the weapons and forces available. Given the advantageous arsenal of weapons the enemy had, we can conclude that Hitler's decision to attack, by all means, from a military point of view was a gamble. But the Nazi leaders went for it, giving priority to political considerations. This was stated by the German Fuehrer in his speech in East Prussia on July 1st. According to him, Operation Citadel would have not only military but also of political significance that would help to keep Germany's allies and to thwart the plans of the Western powers to open a second front, as well as having a beneficial effect on the internal situation in Germany. However, the position of German troops was made less effective by the fact that the previous surprise attacks, through which they were largely successful in the summer operations 1941 and 1942, had been lost. Resulting in the constant postponement of Kursk aided by effective work carried out by the Soviet intelligence agency. By early July, all decisions were final, the task forces set, and huge masses of opposing troops on the Kursk Bulge were waiting in the calm before the storm.
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The German offensive started at 16:00 pm July 4, reconnaissance missions were carried out in the Kursk salient in order to dislodge the field outposts of the 2nd Guards Army General Chistyakov. In the morning of July 5, 1943 the offensive continued in the southern and the northern areas. The Soviet commanders knew the exact time when the operation was to be started, and at 3 am, 30-40 minutes before the start, artillery and anti-aircraft weapons were readied. Artillery was set up in empty positions as the Germans were still asleep in their dugouts, but the Soviet troops woke them up. Soviet fire strike broke the German communications units and caused great damage to the German artillery, the initial attack was postponed for 6 hours and 30 minutes (the German artillery preparation was scheduled for 6:00 began half an hour later).
Before the start of the ground operations the Germans bombed the Soviet defensive lines and artillery. The offensive tanks faced serious resistance. The main attack on the northern side was in the direction of Olkhovatka. Unable to achieve success, the Germans suffered a blow in Ponyri; they were not able to break through the Soviet defenses. The Wehrmacht was able to move a mere by 10-12 km; on July 10th after losing up to two-thirds of their tanks, the 9th German Army went from being offensive to defensive. On the southern side the German army focused on Koroch and Oboyan.
The first two days in the “Centre” the 9th Army managed to penetrate deep into the enemy's defenses (14 km) in the offensive zone and to the left of the buildings.  Right-flank corps, however, moved slightly, the same neighbor shell, in fact, remained in place.
On the second day the enemy stepped up their counterattacks against the flanks of the shock front and carried out an army wedge. The enemy began to send in operational reserves, which were placed in the northwestern part of the Kursk salient, and to the south-eastern portion of the Oryol arc. It was a sign that the enemy intended to hold Kursk Bulge under all circumstances, and at the same time, if successful, Operation Citadel could make it possible to surround the enemy. Despite these counter-shocks, wedge 9th Army moved forward, although it had the band width of only 10 km. However, the attack was stopped on July 9 on the line of defense in the hilly terrain in Olkhovatka area, 18 km from the initial position of 9th Army. Army commanders assumed that after stopping enemy counterattacks, they should change the main direction of movement and introduce the reserve fight to resume the offensive on July 12th to complete the break. But this did not happen. July 11 enemy forces launched an offensive from the east and north-east against the 2nd Panzer Army, which were by Orel arc. The battles in this area forced the Center commanders to stop 9th Army and make it relocate their forces to fight in area of 2 Panzer Army.
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The first break tear in the enemy's defenses occurred on the South front but it came with great difficulty. The biggest difficulties were the lack of infantry divisions required for the first attack, and the relative weakness of artillery support.
Kempf’s Army Group was unable to stop the right-flank corps (11 Corps, Gen. Routh) from advancing to the planned new frontier on Korocha River; they could only reach the area west of the rivers meander. Although the intended target at this extreme right flank of the offensive was not achieved, Kempf could still be happy with the outcome... He crippled the enemy's operational reserves due to the vigorous attacks of his troops, located east of Volchansk. During the following days he made great strides against defensive positions, causing heavy enemy losses, including many tanks. Finally, the group could be satisfied with defense at river Koren, which allowed their own offensive to stay relatively intact.
The 3rd Panzer Corps was engaged in heavy fighting too. The first attack on the both sides of Donets River in Belgorod was carried out under very difficult circumstances. Apparently, the forces stopped in front of the second defensive belt - about 18 km ahead of Donets. Due to losses incurred by the troops, the Army Group commander asked, whether they should stop the offensive. According to the conversation with the commander of 3rd Panzer Corps Gen. Hermann Breith and his divisional commanders, he decided to continue with the offensive. The Commander of Army Group sent an extra 198 infantry divisions, which acted as a reserve in the rear of the tank army at the Donetsk front, despite the fact that a dangerous situation occurred there. July 11th the corps finally broke through the enemy's last line of defense. The way was clear, allowing them to advance into an unprotected area with the appropriate mobile units of enemy reserves, placed to the east of Kharkov.
The Commander ordered the right 3rd tank corps group to move towards the Korocha River, and the left to collate with 4th Panzer Army and to destroy 69th enemy army, which was broken between two armies.
The 4th Panzer Army broke through the first and second lines of defense with intense fighting occurring on the first two days. On July 7 the Tank Corps on the left flank of the army (48 infantry division, General von Knobelsdorff) broke into an area about 11 miles in front of Oboyan. In the following days he had to reflect strong counterattacks carried out on the north-east, north and west. He defeated significant forces of attacking enemy troops in these battles. On this site and the area in front of two SS tank corps, the operational reserve came into action, namely three tank and one mechanized corps, which joined the 69th and 1st tank armies. Other mechanized corps the enemy brought in from the area east of Kharkov.
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By July 11th the Germans had taken their positions to attack Prokhorovka. By this time the 5th Soviet Guards Tank Army was concentrated on the position to the north-east of the station. That Army was in reserve; on July 6 they were ordered to perform a 300-kilometer march and to take up defensive positions at the turn of Prokhorovka - Vesyoliy. The 5th Guards Tank Army, 5th Guards Army and 1st Panzer, 6th and 7th Guards Armies were the main forces in the counter-attack. But in reality, only the 5th Guards Tank and 5th Guards were used, and two independent tank corps (the 2nd and the 2nd Guards) could join the attack. The rest carried out defensive battles against the attacking German troops. Motorized Division Leibstandarte, SS Panzer Division Das Reich and the SS Panzer Division Totenkopf fought against Soviet offensive troops.
It should also be noted that by that time the German offensive on the northern side of Kursk Bulge was already weakened, from July 10 the German attackers began to set up their defensive.
Traditionally, Soviet sources indicated that the battle involved approximately 1,500 tanks: 800 Soviets and 700 German. In some cases, however a lower figure of  1200 is quoted, as well as a narrower area  (8-10 km wide), which was surrounded by the Psel River on one side and the railway embankment on the other, making it impossible to maneuver large vehicles.
July 12 at 8:30 am German forces launched an offensive against the Prokhorovka station. At the same time after a 15-minute artillery barrage, they were attacked by the main forces of the 5th Guards Tank Army, commanded by Gen. Rotmistrov.
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Memoirs of Pavel Rotmistrov, the marshal of the armored forces:
“In the morning of July 12th I was at an observation point alongside a group of officers. We were able to observe the field of the upcoming battle properly. By 6 a.m. it was reported that the troops are ready for the fight. And during the very first minutes of the battle two huge “billows” of tanks started to move towards each other covered in dust and smoke. Not large area near Prokhorovka was occupied by nearly 1,500 tanks at the same time. That was the beginning of the most severe tank battle in the whole of war history. The field near Prokhorovka appeared to be too narrow for such a big amount of battle participants. The fight was going on until very late night. The tanks were unable to part; they remained a huge steel ball. The battlefield was literally on fire. Hundreds of tanks, self-propelled guns were burning. The noise was horrible… skirring of tracks, shells explosions and pinging before striking the target.
Hitler’s command was hoping for “a battle surprise” to be presented to the Soviet Army – the heavy Tigers, Panthers and SPGs Ferdinand. However the Soviet warriors used the maneuverability of their vehicles and were going for the jugular of the German beasts. The shells sent from short distances were tearing through the armor of the Tigers. The ammunition inside the tanks were exploding, the turrets were coming off, followed by heavy black smoke.
This battle showed how brave and self-sacrificing junior officers and soldiers were. I can give you one example. The tank platoon under the command of lieutenant Bondarenko was ordered to help the second tank division that appeared to be in a difficult situation. They moved ahead fast. Against two moving and shooting Tigers. Using the mobility of the tank Bondarenko put his tank behind one of the German burning tanks. The Germans were sure that the Soviet tank was on fire. Meanwhile the commander aimed at one of the Tigers and set it on fire.
The air battle was also fierce. Soviet and German planes were struggling above the tanks. Nothing could be heard apart from terrible howling everywhere. Burning aircrafts diving into the sea of tanks in their final nosedive… Everything seemed to be a single mass ceaselessly moving and rumbling.
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The severe tank battle in which both sides sustained terrible losses lasted one long summer day. It ended in total defeat of the German main attack force.”
One of the participants of this battle, the Hero of the Soviet Union Evgheniy Shkurdalov recollected later:
“The combat arrangements were mixed up. As a result of direct kills tanks were exploding. The turrets were blown off, tracks were coming off too. There was horrible rumbling. It was impossible to hear separate shots. There were moments when we couldn’t see the tanks properly and had to guess whether they were ours or German according to their silhouettes.  Tankers were jumping off the burning vehicles and rolling around trying to knock down the fire.
Finally the German tanks were more like scrap metal and hardly reminded combat vehicles.
However the victory was won at high price. At one part of the front the Germans delivered a severe thrust. 300 German tanks battled through. The Soviet artillery was unable to stop them and the only way out found was struggling against steel beasts nearly barehanded. Soldiers were crawling along the field with grenades and were appearing in front of tanks when there were only a few meters in between them. They were exploding vehicles often alongside themselves. This duel between a steel beast and people was won by the latter. “
Pavel Rotmistrov also wrote:
“During one day of the battle near Prokhorovka 5th Guard Tank Army destroyed nearly 400 tanks of the rivals, including 70 Tigers, 158 guns and mine throwers, over 300 auto machines, more than 500 soldiers and officers. The main attacking force was completely destroyed.
SS tank corps commander Obergruppenführer Hausser was immediately spared from his position as he was accused of the failure. During the battle over 700 tanks in total were destroyed. The battlefield was covered with dead bodies. The ground was burnt and black along 10-12 km.”
Thus the main support of the German tank forces was crushed near Prokhorovka.
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However there are historians who doubt such an ending of the battle near Prokhorovka.  Some of them believe that Germans won, others insist that there wasn’t a winner in that battle and neither the Soviet Union, nor Germany got advantages after it. There are also doubts on how many tanks did take part in the battle near Prokhorovka. Another question concerns the issue of whether the battle had been planned in advance or the forces encountered each other accidentally as the place for such a battle was definitely uncomfortable. And there’s only one thing that doesn’t leave any doubts – the battle near Prokhorovka has been the greatest tank battle in war history and had huge importance for the whole of Kursk operation and WWII in general.
The German Army couldn’t recover after the battle. Its best commanders and crews were buried on that battlefield forever. It was the last such a global operation undertaken by the Germans.
Tank corps commander Paul Hausser was removed from the post and called off the front.
During Kursk operation the troops of Central, Voronezh and Steppe fronts defeated the plan of the Nazi command to surround and defeat a millionth Soviet troops forces. It was a try to take revenge after Stalingrad and it failed.
The victory near Prokhorovka created favorable conditions for counter attacking.
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The success gained was due to the defense built on Kursk Salient was the strongest during the whole war. It was supposed to reflect massive assaults of the rivals. It was deep and the positions were counted accurately taking into consideration force density and means available.
Apart from that the German aviation didn’t manage to conquer the sky in this battle. The Soviet airmen crushed over 1,500 German planes while their own losses amounted to 460 planes.
They paid a really high price for this victory. People losses were nearly 180,000. Also they lost 1,600 tanks and SPGs, nearly 4,000 guns and mine throwers.
The German side was forced to pass over to the defensive.


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View Postmierigais, on 19 July 2011 - 09:28 AM, said: iespējams būšu ļoti kasīgs, bet tikai nesen pamanīju, ka lv versijā ir nevis Himmelsdorfa, bet gan Himelsdorfa. - vācu valodā noteikti domāts bija debesu ciems (himmel).

OldFox: Ok, piefikseju


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20.07.2011 06:43:10
 
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OldFox: Ludzu visus iemacities taisit normalus skrinus. Ka to izdarit, ir apraktits seit: http://forum.worldof...ost__p__427107.
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20.07.2011 02:50:02
 
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View Postkeithp, on 20 July 2011 - 12:34 AM, said: He he I don't believe that response is so true, plueeess MODS, help me convince these people what I am saying is true. I have been been warned about my previous posts...by yourselves..

LiannaSilverwind: Hi Keithp!
We are very glad that you are enjoying the game. There are people who like the game, those who dislike the game and like to bash it, those who would like it to change like they would like to have it. Nothing bad about that. Well-thought out and constructive feedback is important and appreciated by every good company.
Every game has also vocal forum minority that is unhappy with either balance, or devs, or mods, or epix drops, or color of their barded warsteed.
Just one personal notice: please use lesser spaces between paragtaphs, it makes text easier to read. :)


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19.07.2011 22:11:35
 
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LiannaSilverwind: AP - Armour-piercing shell, standard shell for the cannon, slowly loses penetration over long range.
HE - Highly-explosive shell, usually cheaper than AP shell, does not lose penetration over long range, but usually fails to cause major damage unless it has really large caliber or the target is poorly armoured. Usually used against poorly armoured targets or especially well armoured targets in order to cause "just some damage" before bursting into tears.
Gold ammo - Ammo that either has better penetration (APCR) than AP, but loses penetration faster over range; or wider splash (HEAT).
Gold ammo! - Battlecry of an enemy who was skillfully damaged through the critical spot and believes that penetration was possible only thanks to spent real-life money.
Stock tank/cannon - underequipped tank/poor cannon, usually its user will be called Noob (see later) by its own team and laughed upon by its enemies.
Top tank - best tank of the team at the top of the list, usually with stock cannon taking command of the random team and leading it to crushing defeat by issuing order "Follow me!" (see later).
Top cannon - best cannon for the tank, usually also the longest one therefore prolonging virtual ego. Not every top cannon is the best for every user, hence opinions and playstyles may vary.
Rush - frontal assault straight to the enemy's prepared defensive positions, usually uncoordinated and in most cases failing miserably.
Rush! - preferred advice of already dead teammate or those who are about to die.
Affirmative! - "I agree with something typed in chat during the last 30 seconds."
Negative! - "I do not agree with something typed in chat during the last 30 seconds."
Follow Me! - "We will go together until the enemy is spotted, then I will hide behind the rock sniping behind you, my allied meatshields, while our team loses the base", usual battlecry of lowest tier tank or top tank with stock equipment.
Help! - "I went somewhere alone and have met superior enemy numbers, soon I will perish. If you come to me, I will die before you reach me and then you will die too!", usual battlecry of a lone hunter who rushes the front/flank all alone.
Back to base! - "Our base is in danger, and someone (not me) should go there to save it. I will continue sniping from behind the rocks."
Bad balance/matchmaker, balance/matchmaker sucks - "I do not agree that I am not top tank in this battle and therefore must use brains in order to get more than 200 experience."
Campers! - "I have been destroyed by well-prepared enemy while I was unable to use cover well enough."
Noob - newbie, less experienced player.
Noob! - "I would like to play better than you!" when used by dead teammate, "You play much better than me and I do not like you because of that!" when used by an enemy.
Premium Noob - "I do not like your premium tank, I would either like to drive it myself or I want top tank of your tier with me instead of you" when used by dead teammate, "How did you manage to kill me?" when used by an enemy
Gold noob! - See Gold ammo.
Cheater! - "You are excellent player, even better than me!"
Hacker! - "I cannot believe you have killed me, you are much better than me, I go to delete my account!"
- See Noob when used by your teammate. See Cheater or Hacker if used by an enemy.


LiannaSilverwind
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19.07.2011 19:31:03
 
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View PostIronIvan, on 18 July 2011 - 05:19 PM, said: T-28?.....MS-1 :Smile_harp:

LiannaSilverwind: Неееет, дарагой, МС-1 Рулит, он в топ тэнах и здесь, и на РУ-сервере есть по победам. :)
Все русские танки супер-ОП, все!


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