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Subject: SPG Rebalance: Changing the Stun Parameters
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ArtyFanatic, on 23 March 2019 - 12:26 AM, said: Dear WG!

First as arty ONLY player i write down what i see and think:   Recent(last 6+ month)  time arty recived some indirekt/hidden nerf's: 1-New city map - Minsk, wide park 2-Map changed aginst/make hard to play arty: Fjords, pilsen,lakeville  Please remember some map no way to play arty! Like: Paris(If i land on paris i press w and go see where is the enemy... ), Widepark, ENSK, Himmlesdorf, Ruinberg, Sigfrid line  3-New very fast moving "tanks" added the game... i ignore him most times. Not worth trie shoot this tanks if used coret way. 4-Added new very heavy armored premium/new tanks. Aginst this tanks lower caliber arty guns no damage or very low damage. ( French arty mostly) 5-Made full cover more effective agginst arty splash effects   The planned SPG Reblance i think needed. Here is why(MY oppinon): 1-Some artys most time relay only the stun effect(155 mm gun T7-T10) armored target what this arty face to strong some times no way to do damage/real effect 2- SU-14-1 and S-51 use 203 mm gun with 40+sec relod time (shell rammer+100% crew, no bia) this T7 tanks face T5 or T9 enemys. The MM most times in my last experiance ( 8 month ago or more) mostly drop this arty aginst T5... the 203 mm gun here is owerkill, and in pratice usless i think. To slow reload speed compered the basic gun, to slow aim time compared the base gun.  3-If i play a T7+ SPG and i want HELP my team member who face brawl one enemy i canot do anything witout i damage my team mate. To big splash radius means my frendly tank is stunned/damaged. 4-Some times enemy slow mowing tanks go large open place by mistake of player or by mapp disign. In this case most times all arty zero in this one target. If only 3 arty fire a well armored target using 203 mm gun (M40/43, M50/53, Su-14-2, 212A or similar artys ) on avarage one direct good hit do ~250-360 damage if the enemy tier 8 heavytank, he survive first voley of fire maybe 2 voley. This is a torture for this player. 203 mm gun reload speed 30-45 sec.    SPG Reblance you planned what i think: 1-Reducing Stunn duration first hit: idea is okay. but pls do only T8 and above. Reason: Lower tier artys most times not cause big stun or if this artys forced to play higher tier enemys most times one of few good tools inside the team to deal big enemy tanks. (7-5-3 MM situations! not rare case the top 3 tank stay back and camp wait other do the dirty job... or failed to do the dirty job and other team members not capable to damage enemy top tanks) this case the stun can be critical to help frendly forces.   Secound thing: as you wg mentoned: arty players tend to support team and utilize the stun more. if the stun duration cut sorter(first hit stun duration) AND 3 arty / team then its can be better for all arty player becuse evry one has own stun window and can earn exp. or more chanse to earn exp. downside: sorter stun duration in first stun means all low caliber high tier arty need reload AND aim faster! Mostly French artys who base damage 750 and penetration power is a joke. This type of arty play mostly stun support role, and cap defense .  SO WG PLS BUFF THIS TYPE OF ARTY OR DO SOMETHING!   2-Reducing Stunn duration first hit: Problem here is what happen if all 3 arty same team see only one target and all reload same 10-15 secund. This is not rare situation becuse most coridor like map arty forced to stay specific place and all arty soem times stay one specific place. No one going to wayt stun effect wear off or soem one go wait wear off? Or waht happen if i hit first then my frendly spg hit same target near my stun end. He recive less chanse to make exp and money his job. this is not good. I advice the secund hitter arty comepnsation!if you half the stun time dubble the score what the secund hitter arty get!  IF YOU NOT DO THIS HERE WHAT WILL HAPPEN: Most players realyze not optimal fire same target if we play map where we can split arty fire we do. Less focus one target ->> make more player stunned, and less focus damage OR some arty say: to me wort more to win this game than earn exp and credit and fire focus. Many maps we SPG-s forced to fire same target becuse map dising one time one enemy in danger zone. In this case what will happen?  arty need deal damage fire non stop, no one or wery few go to wayt stun wear off...   3-Reducing FiX stun duration time, stun more damage done sensitive: this is intresting topcik, i need to see to know good or bead. no oppinon.   4-Reducing splash radius and basicly reducing damage radius: THIS IS DIRECT NERF! This is huge hit for any/all arty. Here is why: A - most times arty only splash damage the fast movers, direct hit very rare (IF THE FAST MOVER DRIVER DO HIS JOB WELL!) B-Arty camper potenital nerf! Behind cover tanks even more safe! c-The last Greet reblance/arty nerf bring as bigger splash radius to compensate situation. I SUGGEST: IF WG REDUCE SPLASH RADIUS: same % incrase ALL effected arty shell damage NOT relod+aim time. if you make arty fire faster some arty forced to stay same place to remain effective. no more fire-move-aim-fire repet cicle   QUESTION: What happen the gold arty ammo? this one splash radius get nerfed?   5-Abut """"SPG Reblance"""" khm.... call itt some cases nerf... GW Phanter nerfed, con GC nerfed.   Other artys in question.... hmm M12 need buffed. other artys big caliber users. big arty most of them slow mover, slow aim, slow evrything. if you go reduce damage radius and incrase fire rate need incras arty mobility and aim time. if not happen this artys big in truble.smoller splash radius means need more to relocate and this ones les time for this.. means fire less ower all.    Thx for the patince to read all of text. sry no trldr. and sry my english is bead as hell.   have a nice day, Aiewen P.S.: give more open maps the game! Some last realized is great arty love open map, fast movers love open maps, meds and td-s like too.   


bismarck666, on 23 March 2019 - 02:46 AM, said: NOW..... this is interesting......

Wrote here a post which is AGAINST nerfing arties...and it was REMOVED....


SO MUCH ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH ..... JUST LIKE WE ARE STILL IN GOOD OLD  S S S R


DonkeyPowerForever, on 23 March 2019 - 07:32 AM, said: It would be much easier to remove artillery completely.
Then it could be that this game was to endure playing for more than an hour.


Jenzinio, on 23 March 2019 - 07:57 AM, said: Are u out of our mind? When r u gonna nerf the heavyes? the other heveyes r afraid of theme. For the only tanks never nerfed are the heavyes, do u realy want us all the drive heavyes? Why do u sell anything but heaveyes? Jenzinio

Subject: Europa contra la CEI en la última exhibición de lucha de clanes
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Phozas, on 23 March 2019 - 12:44 PM, said: Espero que gane Europa, en CEI ya se ha visto en la última campaña que está plagado de tramposos.

Subject: Reequilibrio de las AAP: Cambios en los parámetros del aturdimiento adicional
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Subject: Cuatro tanquistas y un perro: el Rudy
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el_teniente_de_cuba, on 23 March 2019 - 06:20 PM, said:

Subject: Wierzchołek drzewa: ostatnia szansa na sięgnięcie po Mausa
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HotCezar, on 25 March 2019 - 10:41 AM, said:   podbijam - chciaz sama informacja jaki bedzie czolg


bartek1400, on 25 March 2019 - 11:54 AM, said: Progetto byłoby ciekawą linią

Subject: Welcome Spring with a Big Special
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badabum, on 22 March 2019 - 07:42 PM, said:   I know you have to say the things you say because that's what you're paid for, but sometimes it's better to not say anything...     When a week long event is designed to deprive you of the top rewards if you miss the first day it's just a bad "design" and defending it just makes it worse.

Subject: Update 1.4.1 General feedback
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Steve8066, on 22 March 2019 - 04:22 PM, said:   you didnt answer my question.


OMG_Abaddon, on 22 March 2019 - 06:53 PM, said: @eekeeboo Well I consider myself a player who likes vehicular arcade shooters as you call them. I like this kind of game, it offers a lot of potential, and I'm sure you've seen me ranting around for a long while. That doesn't mean I don't like the game, or the idea of the game isn't for me, it's just when I play a game I like it to become better by the day and seeing how things develop around here I feel far from proud.   When it comes to a community, the biggest fans will always try to say what's wrong, usually how to fix it, and the best players will usually report the best feedback. The biggest issue here is that even though many important players, and a lot of regulars are giving a lot of feedback on stuff that's right, wrong, awesome, or terrible, and everyone feels pretty much like we are ignored. There was a QB video about how he'd fix WoT which had a lot of awesome ideas, and I don't know if you've started to take action but it feels like you ignored him completely.   And then there's the point where the devs take the opposite direction to what EVERYONE says, for example: "Stop releasing premium OP tanks WG!" translated as selling IS-3A with completely new reverse autoreloader gun, Defender, E25, LeFH, Skorpion G and other trash tanks through loot boxes. A couple months later you release HWK 30 which Ru251 a tier below. I got all the loot box tanks without even expecting them, and now "SPGs are in a bad shape, please fix!" translated as nothing done for months.   Generally speaking there are those who complain about something and expect it to change, and there are those who complain and give some reasoning, facts, and alternatives. It's all about being constructive in the end and having to response, feels like talking to the wind. So about reddog's post, I think he's not one of the miserable players who don't like the game, on the contrary, I think he's one of those who really like the game enough to care about the decisions being made.   ---   I also made a few more suggestions regarding your article about 2019 year resolutions, which I'll add here as well just in case you're interested, including both constructive criticism and some stuff that I don't agree with:   Premium Ammo Rebalancing   First of all, we call it gold ammo because it traditionally was gold-only ammo, and it will keep the name for convenience even if it was free of charge now. However it still costs 5-10 times the cost of standard ammo, which is the same idea with a different convention. Standard or silver rounds vs premium or gold rounds, even after the damage balance, probably won't be called special ammo by most veterans unless it's eventually equalized in cost and proved to be worse across the board compared to standard rounds as long as penetrations occur, which is even more prominent for HESH (A.K.A. gold HE) ammo.   That said, it's great to hear some news about gold ammo balance, even if the release is TBD. The day they are released I'll start playing tier 10 happily.   Matchmaker   The major issue with matchmaking has nothing to do with the templates, it's the fact that +2 Matchmaking is standard. If you reworked it as follows you'd probably get rid of all the frustration of playing vs impenetrable tanks that 1/2 shot you back to garage.: - Set all tanks to +/- 1 by default - Preferential MM tanks get +0 - Special tanks get +2. For example, Defender or HWK30 can do +2 just fine. - Please make sure not to put trash tanks on +2 special matchmaking like AMX 40 currently is.   There's not a single three-tier template that will satisfy people, those who have problems are always at the bottom because, with few exceptions, playing a bottom tier tank is frustrating and I think you already know that. Unless the top tank is a redline heavy tank camper, or a tomato-level player in general chances are you'll get shot for half HP, and that's simply not fun.   The Return of Frontline   I believe this was a success, at least on week 1 when people played for fun. The problem with this mode was that over the first week people identified the problems this game mode had and abused them on week 2. It was easy to see every game all the players up to General had a very specific set of tanks: Progetto, SPG and light tanks. We also understood that C was impenetrable so East side arty could simply move middle and focus fire single tanks random battle style for extra points at the middle. Playing deathmatch usually rewards more points unless both teams are really committed to playing the objectives, a point where nobody attacks doesn't yield any points for either team, even if the defenders are sitting on the cap keeping it safe.   Overall, the whole design was awesome, but still featured a lot of flaws that should be patched before more FL weeks happen. I can't suggest you change anything about map layout without risking even more prominent map imbalance, but at least you can do 2 things: 1. Block SPGs from moving to a different front. 2. Block defenders from invading territory controlled by attackers. This strategy is abused by many (me included) and killing artillery for free to get huge points isn't fair. Also backstabbing enemies who are barely respawning to attack isn't all too fair, honestly.   On top of that, if anything, this mode proved that playing the whole map and moving around is much more fun than playing corridors, but that can't be done with more than 1 artillery per team because we are simply afraid of being targeted out in the open and permatracked, stunned and killed. I saw your SPG rebalance video, and how your reduced stuns and improved spall liners, that's still not going to remove the hate on either side IMO, it will barely change anything to be honest. The biggest problem with SPGs is that you can't shoot back at them, there's no way to play against them, and they literally require zero map awareness or skills, you just sit back and click enemies on the map.   Vehicle Rebalancing   As someone who the painful stages of low-mid tiers of the japanese lines I stopped at STA-1 because it was a terrible tank. I am therefore glared to see the STB-1 finally gets some updates! I love the visual appearance of that tank and the Type 61, but the trash gun handling on them simply shied me away from it. Likewise from the Kranvagn, which I'm also impressed to see on the changes you made to all the heavy swedish tanks. Hopefully we'll start to see some of these changes soon-ish.   New Vehicles   Hopefully we get a Spanish line. I've never had any hopes because there are so few ideas from Spain, but after seeing Chinese tanks are just Russian copies I won't be surprised. But please if you make cars, start pondering the possibility of making a separate vehicle class for those because cars are not light tanks, or scouts, or anything close to that.   Premium Account   Hopefully we can select when to activate the daily win instead of forced to the first win of the day, on top of other stuff. It's something I always wanted to do to avoid unlucky games.   Customization Styles   I hope this doesn't interfere with the ability to add modded skins into the game. I like skins like everyone else, but overriding other people's skins kind of defeats the purpose of having in-game skins IMO. Like the EBR 105 skin inspired by Mad Max some fallout movie about cars and survival could override the visuals of a skin I have purchased for it.   Bonds shop, clan wars, and other competitive events   I'm personally not interested in tier 10 "competition" with the current status of the game. My humble opinion is you should make the higher tiers a little bit more profitable, not too much, but at least enough to not feel like I'm leaking credits. I believe the gold special ammo (wait, gold ammo, I said it right) will be huge, and if it ends up being the way I pictured in my head I will finally join tier 10. Seriously, if the game offers a good competitive environment that is also sustainable it will probably be a very good update and players might even start coming.  

Subject: Neues vom Supertest: Der T-116
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Subject: Tout ce qu'il vous faut savoir sur les Plans
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seb4771, on 23 March 2019 - 07:33 PM, said: Toujours pas de news pour savoir COMMENT en avoir ?   Exemple : 5x 1er de mes games en suivant (xp ET degats) = 0, mon cadenas est toujours légèrement brisé sans bouger... COMMENT on peut faire mieux que 1er partout ?... Je comprend pas du tout le principe, j'ai essayé d'avoir des médailles : patrouilleurs (+6000 spot en t8), éclaireurs et autres, rien qui avance non plus.  


seb4771, on 23 March 2019 - 08:09 PM, said: Le cassage de cadenas aussi du coup ?... Donc le gars qui fait RIEN de sa game a autant qu'un gars qui se casse le cul à "devoir" carry ? (étrange).

Subject: Comentarios generales del parche 1.4.1
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Romaliev, on 21 March 2019 - 09:55 AM, said: Bueno, aún no he jugado, pero he estado trasteando con la interfaz del juego, y a raíz de la introducción de los planos, la habéis modificado en el apartado tanques de manera de que la lectura es más clara. Ahora el árbol tecnológico es mucho más agradable de ver, no es tan oscuro; pero me dá que se ha perdido información, me explico:
Un dato importante que se ha perdido en este nuevo cambio es que cuando seleccionas la información de un tanque superior sin desarrollar, antes mostraba el coste en experiencia para desbloquearlo y cuanta experiencia te faltaba para poder desarrollarlo. Ahora como se puede ver en la captura de pantalla, sólo se muestra la experiencia total, sin presentarte esa información que he comentado y que era bastante importante (al menos para mi). Con lo que ahora, vas algo "despistado" a la hora de saber qué tanque le falta más o menos experiencia para desbloquearlo primero, a menos que te líes a hacer cálculos que antes el juego te daba directamente.   No parece importante quizá, pero es algo que antes tenía el juego y ahora no, y que han quitado.
Saludos.

Subject: Avanzad fácilmente con paquetes con el quíntuple de EXP
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Subject: Blueprints: Everything You Need to Know
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WoT_RU_Doing, on 23 March 2019 - 11:53 PM, said:   WG - PLEASE READ:   Ok, when announced, we were told blueprints would be based on merit, and progress would take into account team damage (i.e. as a bad thing, therefore reducing your progress).
So, I accidentally damaged a team mate and STILL got a reward for that battle. So repeating my list of unanswered questions,
  - What ARE the criteria for getting boxes? - is it already broken? - Please can you publish the numbers of each type of blueprint required to get discounts on each tier of tank. - Can you collect national blueprints if you have that country researched already?* - Can you buy national blueprints with universal ones?*      

Subject: Nouveau char léger soviétique de rang III: T-116
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Subject: HWK 30
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Subject: En el Supertest: El T-116
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Subject: Why RR is the only rating of skill.
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Subject: SPG Rebalance: Changing the Stun Parameters
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Subject: Will MM be fixed within 2 years?
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Subject: VK100.01P equipment and tips
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Subject: bonus code
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Subject: Daily Tournaments - Q&A - Post your questions here!
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stefanti, on 23 March 2019 - 05:24 PM, said: Hi,   In today's (23.3.2019) "1v1 Tier VIII - 17:00 CET - N°3" tournament, the playoff battles had a duration of only 5 minutes, as opposed to the ususal 7 minutes (which are still listed in the tournament description: "Battle duration: 7 minutes.&quot at https://worldoftanks.eu/de/tournaments/5000001382/.   I'm not sure whether it was also the case for the group stage battles.   5 minutes battle time with over 4 minutes cap time on maps like Wadi renders any attempt at capping moot (even if it's just to put yourself on the plate in order to draw out the opponent).   Is this an error? If yes, please correct it. If no, please lower capping time and update the tournament description.   Regards, Stefan

Subject: Can I get a refund for the FV4202?
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Subject: Aren't you just glad......
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Subject: so whats new
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Subject: What is stupidest thing in WOT
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Subject: my fellow arty players - unite!
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Subject: A better solution for the SPG issue
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Subject: Question about the mm stats.
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Subject: Changes to artilerry
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Subject: Supertest - T-116
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Subject: Aktualizacja 1.4.1 - Dyskusja Ogólna
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Subject: Nadszedł czas na pojedynek serwerów EU i CIS w ramach najnowszego meczu pokaz...
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KosiX, on 23 March 2019 - 03:43 PM, said: czy będą tak fajne mapy jak Paryż, Granica Imperium, Mińsk lub Miasto Duchów? 

Subject: Im neuesten Clan-Showmatch heißt es EU gegen GUS
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HeiligeDarmGranate, on 23 March 2019 - 12:47 PM, said: Schade das es keinen "Universalserver" gibt. Würde mich gerne mit Russen oder Amis bei Wot "kloppen" :-)   Ok, hat nichts mit dem Topic zu tun Wünsche den EU´lern viel Erfolg, ihr macht das schon !

Subject: Równoważenie dział samobieżnych: Zmiana parametrów ogłuszania
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BobbyBrandon, on 23 March 2019 - 12:21 PM, said: Oooo dlaczego arty tylko dostają nerfy, dlaczego mi to robicie, ooo jak smutno. A która inna klasa ma widok z satelity, zasięg rysowania czołgów na całą mapę, zasięg strzału na całą mapę i możliwość strzelania ponad stałymi przeszkodami? No która? A goście od "historyczności", że arta faktycznie jednym strzałem załatwiała czołgi, to niech sobie jeszcze doczytają, czy faktycznie przeładowanie działa tak wielkiego kalibru trwało 20s, nie wspominając o rozstawieniu podpór i widoku z satelity. Problemem arty jest jej bezkarność, brak bezpośredniego zagrożenia. Likwidowanie weakspotów głównie z HTeków, przesadzone ruskie maszyny i EBR 105 rujnujący rozgrywkę to zupełnie inne tematy. Tutaj rozmawiamy o arty.
@Falathi odpowiedz proszę, dlaczego nie można do WoTa na PC wprowadzić opcji "Graj z artą", tak samo jak to jest z potyczkami i szturmem? Przecież to banalne rozwiązanie. Kto nie chce z nią grać, odznacza. Trochę trudniej będzie przerobić misje osobiste, ale to nadal dzień roboty dla tak wielkiego zespołu.

A co do stękania, że narzekający na artę sami nią grają. A jak niby mają zrobić misje?

Subject: Poczujcie moc Wikingów z naszą tapetą Lansen C
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Pinako, on 22 March 2019 - 12:10 PM, said: Czas na suchara Co woła wiking kiedy wchodzi do warzywnego?  O! Dynie!  

Subject: Przywitajmy wiosnę wielką ofertą specjalną
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Natural__, on 22 March 2019 - 09:24 AM, said: U mnie całą zimę fruwały kawki, wrony, gile, sikorki czy wróbelki.

Subject: Werdet zum Wikinger mit dem Lansen C Bildschirmhintergrund
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Anna_Kalashnikova, on 22 March 2019 - 11:02 AM, said: Wäre es nicht sinnvoller gewesen den Odin-Stil mit in das Wallpaper aufzunehmen? Wegen Wikinger und Odins Zorn und so?

Subject: L'Europe et la CEI s'affrontent dans la Bagarre de clans
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Subject: Rééquilibrage de l'artillerie : Changements des paramètres d'étourdis...
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lateigne12, on 22 March 2019 - 12:21 PM, said: Qu'en est-il du retrait du mécanisme d'étourdissement en lui-même ? Ou sont les compétences anti-stun ? 


nagonok21, on 22 March 2019 - 12:45 PM, said: Merci wargaming ! J'espère juste que l'équilibrage ne s'arrêterra pas la ... A quand les compétence antistunt ?


Synop_s, on 22 March 2019 - 12:44 PM, said: Ceci dit, je pense que limiter à 2 les arties aurait également été intéressant à envisager, nous verrons si WG décide de nous écouter là dessus.


Tobi4s_XL, on 22 March 2019 - 02:21 PM, said: Etant joueur d'arty passionné, je ne comprends pas pourquoi ils touchent encore à "l'utilité" des artys en game... Réduire les dégats ou le stun n'est à mon opinion pas une bonne idée...   Je serai pour d'essayer de donner aux artilleries des obus de différent type comme des obus fumigènes, ou des obus éclaireurs, des obus de stuns... qui dynamiserai le gameplay.   L'artillerie étant un char de support, elle doit pouvoir quand même faire plus que 0 dégat sur un super-lourd comme le Type 5...  Pour ce qui est de l'équilibrage, limiter les artileries à 2 au lieu de 3 par équipe me semblerai pluis judicieux, car même pour les joueurs d'artileries


Tankiste_Eric, on 22 March 2019 - 08:44 PM, said: Et si Wargaming n'étaient pas si mauvais que vous le pensez ?

Personnellement, en tant que joueur d'Arty, je ne suis ni enchanté, ni catastrophé, donc on va dire que c'est une réforme du truc à la suisse: on fignole un peu, sans tout remettre en cause. Personne n'a fondamentalement obtenu raison, mais sur le long terme le schmilblick avance. petite question: considerons que je tire avec mon arty sur un ennemi qui a deja pris du stun, je lui mets donc la moitié du stun que j'aurais du lui mettre. Comment je rentabilise mon obus? Sachant qu'actuellement avec mon stun complet appliqué (+/- 20s en Tiers X), il arrive tres souvent qu'aucun allié n'arrive a lander un tir pendant ce laps de temps. Comment WG comptent-ils compenser la perte (potentielle) de la moitié de mon XP et des credits gagnés en bataille? j'ai lu l'article en entier mais pas moyen de trouver de réponse...


D4rkflow, on 23 March 2019 - 01:44 AM, said:   Merci de pointer un détail: faudra Rework les missions arty également alors.


rxproject, on 23 March 2019 - 08:17 AM, said:   AU FAITES OU SONT LES " programeur et dessideur de Wot " sur le forum ????? ONT PARLE DANS LE VIDE .. ils répondent jamais ! 


Origine42, on 23 March 2019 - 10:21 AM, said:

Subject: Róbcie szybkie postępy z zestawami 5x PD
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Sasquach_PL, on 19 March 2019 - 03:19 PM, said: UP  I teraz dzięki mechanice schematów takich orłów na 10 tierze będzie coraz więcej i więcej, przez co ta gra traci już kompletnie sens.