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Why do Some Argue Against Skill Based MM?

Дата: 04.08.2021 18:32:04
View PostGrillo_Parlante, on Aug 04 2021 - 04:50, said: In a game like Magic the gathering, or any table top game for that matter, there is a substantial setup time associated with gaming.  If you're drafting, there could be a 15-30 minute setup time associated with everyone drafting and building their deck.      When you have that kind of time investment, the qualitative experience of playing the game becomes very, very important.  People play games for different reasons: some want to be competitive, some are purely casual, others want to be creative.  Whatever the players' subjective reason for playing the game, it should be satisfied, they should feel the 15-30 minute setup time was worth it.  Even if they lose, they have to feel that the experience of playing the game, warranted the effort put into the preparation.  This experience is rooted in subjectivity, not logic, is in constant flux, and can't be effectively expressed by numbers.  

DeviouslyCursed:  I would argue that with games like Magic: The Gathering, the "setup" is part of the game. If you don't enjoy that part, you won't be playing anything like it very long. It's not like people think "Man, building a deck sucks!, But the matches are so fun!" A better argument would be a board game that takes substantial time to setup and put away. The game has to be worth that time, otherwise it doesn't get played. Yes, if you like something or not is subjective. But the fix you are requesting to something you don't like is often NOT subjective. The fix either will, or will not, change the issue you are having, and in that regard numbers are the thing that is going to show which one it will be. If you don't like blowout matches, you need to be looking at game play elements, not MM. And good luck getting rid of them. 

View PostMojo_Riesing, on Aug 04 2021 - 18:25, said:   Well, you're not hearing that from me.  Do you think any changes to Match-making might be beneficial?

DeviouslyCursed:  Yes, go back to making heavies, mediums, and tds not balanced number wise between teams. I loved the fights when we had more mediums and enemy had lots of heavies. My team would cry "Waah! This is BS! Look at all their heavies! Waah!". I'd say "shut the hell up and watch us win this, p**** " and we'd proceed to wolf-pack the s*** out of the enemy team. Man those battles were fun. In fact, I don't recall losing a single match where we had lots of meds and they had lots of heavies at tier 7+ But this would just make the whiners whine even more, so....

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