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Sandbox 2021: Try Out Crew 2.0! - **Updated - Read Original Post**

Дата: 26.02.2021 19:23:30
View PostYourBestFriend_2016, on 26 February 2021 - 03:29 PM, said:   This suggest that you would listen to your players.   But allready for a year the player base says they did not ask for crew 2.0 and instead want balanced games. The fact that we now test crew 2.0 on the sandbox means by itself that you wont listen.

HeatResistantBFG:  There is literally nothing that backs this. Even the forum poll in gameplay has only got 16% for "don't change anything" and that's from the people you are using as evidence for your "no one wants this". On the other hand, I have literally met thousands while doing events with WG before I joined, I was a CC for console for 6 years where I again spoke to thousands and now working for the company we have those "why did you uninstall" surveys when uninstalling the game. So the evidence for the crews needed a change is in the hundreds of thousands, you just don't like it because that's what you've decided and so you're happy to dismiss it because it isn't what you want.

But even more than that, because obviously, not everyone has that information available to them, there is the fact that at least 4 previous sandboxes have resulted in nothing. Then on top of THAT, we have announced that DUE TO FEEDBACK we are definitely going to change 2 aspects... It's literally in this thread. So there is overwhelming evidence to say that we listen and make changes based on that.  

View PostVarzA, on 26 February 2021 - 03:36 PM, said:   Sorry no. I don't know for how long you have been working for WG, but i have been watching this game company on/off for going on 10 yrs now and you are just plain wrong.   The UI of WOT is ... horrible, WG does not put this much effort in UI revamp for this, without planning for this to go through. This will go through, crew 2.0 is coming 99.99% sure. And 'changes are not final' is fancy way for WG to make sure the hate doesn't go up, leaving hope that things will change ... they won't, if they are committed to these changes they will PR their way into making them a reality and then it's 'fait accompli'.   Now, elitism aside, quite a few of us poor ppl, have 3 skill crews (which we consider advanced) at t10. In fact, while i may not be the best player, i can work with a 3 skill crew at t10. After these changes .... not anymore. I will have to overspend on snap shotting, safe stowage and other 1 crew member only skills even if i want to meet the same efficiency i had before, not to mention to get the full effect. They are not the same thing, you are focusing and answering stricly on levels and points, when you should know that some skills are more expensive than others.

HeatResistantBFG:  I first saw advertisements for WoT in... 2011? Maybe 2012 but my pc couldn't handle it (64mb video card in a system bought from Aldi for about 60 quid :teethhappy:) so I got into the Xbox 360 beta in around late 2012/early 2013, right at the start of it. Have been around since then and following things, reading many articles and for a long time, I knew pretty much every stat of ever tier 5+ tank :D A skill I showed off to Ph3lan, Crysantos and jingles in person in 2017 (IIRC, it was one of the 2 I met Ph3lan at back then, can't remember which) but I admit with 1.0 I paid a lot less attention and have been relearning stuff since November (when I joined :)) although alas i would suck at that skill now. As TLDR as I can with my history with WoT lol Planning for something to go through doesn't mean it won't change though and I would argue the 2 changes announced as "we will address this" being so quick should be proof of that. If something is dropped it doesn't mean it is wasted, as you said, a lot of time will have gone into it, what it will mean is it gets put in a file somewhere or back to a dev team to be "made better". Example would be first ammo changes that were brought to the sandbox, was deemed a big swing and a miss but at least we're trying. So we have started again with the recent HE rework, going more in-depth for the changes and doing a bit at a time (not all ammo's at once). And as much as it was hard for some to accept, of the over 70k survey results from the HE Rework, 70% were positive. That will now be looked at based on all the feedback and will probably reappear with changes and to be tested again. So i think there is a lot of support to me saying "it's just a test" because it really is. In terms of the latter bit, I'm more in your shoes on pc. My best crews have 3/4 perks depending on if they have 0 point skills, so 3 basically. Now, most of those have 6th sense + repairs/concealment slot 1 (depending on tank) and then BIA slot 2, then 3rd slot as you say, snapshot and such things + maybe the completion of repairs. So that's 6? skills maybe... let's work with 6 as the comparison point. Now I love doing captain builds and min-max builds and this sorta thing, i play WoWs and I think I spent a week doing builds for me and my friends in theory-crafting before I even played :D I could have instantly jumped in, but I wanted to "run the numbers". In any of my replies around this area, I have been doing the same thing and looking at builds to match/beat what would be in the live server. The big difference with crew 2.0, to me, seems to be that you focus on what you want to do most with the tank and emphasise it, rather than "flattening the curve" sort of approach that tends to happen on the live (again, IMO). Hopefully, this will create more variation and mean that unlike now, when you meet the same tank in battle it isn't "well who has the better crew" it's "Oh... what build is he running?" because there are half a dozen or more ways you can make any 1 tank work, and actually work, in a way that suits you.

Back on track :D So comparing to a crew with 6 perks fully trained aka a 3 perk crew, which would give you a 45 point crew on sandbox. Well off the bat 6th sense is free so yay, won't get into not having to grind to 100% crew but that really should be a consideration IMO, So let's start with the other default 2, BIA + repairs/concealment. Well Cohesion is the new BIA, and then repairs and concealment are both more powerful on the sandbox (i saw someone's vid saying 4 points in repairs is the same as fully trained on live IIRC, so gonna stick with that, correct me if I got it wrong) I think it's similar with concealment but I'd still wanna go all 10, so let's work against myself here and go concealment. So that's 20 points spent for BIA + Concealment, with the caveat of concealment being far strong. So that makes us 20 spent and have 3, but we have 25 left to get 4 more. Let's go with a light tank or a stealth medium, and so okay, I'll go with 10 points into eyes open and 10 into either quick reaction for that aim boost for snapshots (kinda better for mediums in this hypothetical) or target tracking (Works on either really). So that's 40 spent for 5, except you get the bonus perk choice of fighting spirit or team spirit, which in turn (can) give you a 2nd BIA but with 50% more (5% compared to 7.5%). So now we're up to 6 with 5 points left, then I'm gonna put 5 into adrenaline rush to get that 25% health triggers 7% reload buff. So that's all points spent right? Welll not exactly because now I can use 3 instructors to add another potential 9 points. So I'm thinking of this as a more aggressive light, so I would try to put some of that into close combat for any circling or going in on people, and then the rest on eyes open to counter recon+situional awareness having a greater bonus. The net result of that is I have a better in almost (if not) every way crew that on the live server at the exact same level. Not in this thread but I'd be happy to have build discussions with people, there for sure will be examples the other way too, where a build is less impactful on the sandbox... But I'm just pointing out with hyper-focused builds you can easily have much more impactful set-ups :) 

View PostDoomHerald, on 26 February 2021 - 03:44 PM, said: There are a lot of good things in crew 2.0, but there are also a lot of issues and misconceptions, which I will point out. 1. I feel literally robbed, when my 8 skills crew with BiA as a 0 perk gets converted. In the current version it is trained almost to the max, only some not very useful skills remain. So now I got trained about 85% of all skills and perks possible. In Crew 2.0 I get 75 skill points (plus some additional vehicle handling, yep), that are soooooo unsufficient! With instructors I can get up to 83 skill points, which is exactly 33% from 250. From 85% down to 33%!!! The roof must be much much higher, at least 150 skill points, which are 60% of 250. It may require more crew xp, but the limit must be much higher than 75. There are so many good and useful skills is 2.0, but I just cannot train them cos I need to sacrifice some essentials. Yes, I will get some additional VH, but this is not a variety at all. So my proposal is to increase the limit to 150 skill points at the cost of more crew xp required, and at the same time to reduce the additional VH to max 10% total. For talents - increase their price from 30 to 40 SP from the line, so one can have 3 at max. 2. I feel literally robbed, when all my crews with BiA as a 0 perk now become useless, their value is reduced to normal crews. Females from old Holiday ops or CW campaigns, males from marathon tanks. now are totally devalued. No no no!!! 3. Instructors, as the best of them are very limited, to get random skills - just NO! 4. Unbalanced new skills - some of them are extremely strong, some are almost useless. Also - Coherence gives 5% passive and constant bonus to VH, while there are 2 skills, that give less bonus (2.5%) and only on certain circumstances. Like, WTF?!?!?! Where is the logic in that?!?!?!

HeatResistantBFG:  1. Gonna assume you're taking 25 skills in the game and saying 250, so firstly 6th sense is default now and costs 0, then mentor is sort of inbuilt into instructors mixed with you don't need it to apply to members as you have 1. So that's -2. Also, with tier 2 instructors they add 3 each, so that means you can have 87 points. The main thing you seem to have missed though is how impactful the skills and the combo's of them can be. Your main complaints, as far as I can see, is "I can't have enough of them" .. well yes... that's the point. Rather than gain lots of skills that add a bit here or a bit there to things that don't really fit into the tanks playstyle, you take these smaller number of hyper-focused skills and have a far more impactful crew. There are far more "this is too powerful with a strong crew" comments than "too weak" so you appear to be going against the curve here. That 7 perk crew (if all the first perks are 0 point BIA perks) would currently become a max crew with an extra 19% crew skill (now called Vehicle handling) meaning your tank is getting a huge buff. So I think you need to explore crew 2.0 a bit more because you seem to have missed a lot of what it offers.2. Well this has already been addressed and if you read the updated FAQ + announcement on the first page you'll see that :)3. Also this^4. Hang on, number 1 was "this is so much weaker, I need more" and now some of these skills too strong... Also, they're anything but useless and most are quite easy to trigger... twitch and youtube are full of people doing exactly that... and what's the point (logic)? Builds and situational buffs... like MANY games out there. You may not like them and feel free not to spec into them, but people have shown repeatedly triggering several at once and getting 20-25%+ bonuses to their Vehicle Handling. 

View PostAkathis, on 26 February 2021 - 04:01 PM, said: Real money invested in crews training. Real money invested in barrack slots. Real money invested in crew retraining. Real money invested in having missions done in order to get 0skill crews. Real money invested in tanks because of the advertised 0skill crew. And now WG wants to wipe out every virtual good related to crews that has been purchased with real money along these years.   This is not Russia.

HeatResistantBFG:  Crew training books add XP, that XP is converted... so nothing lost?Barracks slots get turned into crew reset tokens  which have the same gold value, so also not lostCrew retraining... Well you got to use the crew and then earn xp on it by it being at 100% training... so you're also keeping thatAgain, has been addressed, it's on the first page :)^
I guess, see all the above?

And finally, what has Russia got to do with anything? Ignoring that the company isn't Russian, the HQ isn't in Russia and the CEO aren't Russian... You're trying to imply that we're just stealing your money, which isn't suddenly okay in Russia? The country isn't some mass game of "finders keepers" :D

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