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Wysch
Cancer!
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13.08.2015 13:25:31
 
Subject: Cancer!
Link on message: #11230585

View PostEctar, on 13 August 2015 - 11:30 AM, said:   We're always looking at how to remove chat toxicity from the game, however there is limit as to just how much chat can be censored.

Wysch:   Agreed, WG and WG staff can't change the toxicity in the community. It's impossible.  This is the online gaming, people will swear, people will insult, people will wish you to have a cancer. This is how the world is these days.    I wished a chat filter could solve this problem with cancers and gas chambers, because...  

View PostShiner1, on 13 August 2015 - 12:35 AM, said: WG to automatically and permanently ban anybody wishing cancer on opponents. Fed up with seeing it and it's disgusting.

Wysch:   ... permabans won't actually solve it all.  Disabling the chat completely will ;)


Wysch
Zpovědnice
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13.08.2015 13:13:40
 
Subject: Zpovědnice
Link on message: #11230516

Wysch: Ctrl+C -> Ctrl+V nejde? Všichni chtěli ode mě opsat stovečku.   Jináč já si taky popláču - jestli mise na T28 HTC byly těžký... tak teda ty mise na T-55 mě začínaj fakticky iritovat :sceptic: Akorát to kujví staty :trollface:


Wysch
Petice: Za zavedení československé větve(či větví)
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13.08.2015 13:06:47
 
Subject: Petice: Za zavedení československé větve(či větví)
Link on message: #11230457

View PostSilentstalkerFTR, on 12 August 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:   Ještě se vůbec nic nebalancovalo.

Wysch:   Tak já viděl jen základní statistiky právě, výkon motoru, rychlost otáčení pásů apod.   

View PostMzilla, on 13 August 2015 - 11:15 AM, said: Nemůžete nám ukázat fotečky tý 9 a 10 ? prosím:girl:

Wysch:   Sorry, i kdybych si nějakou ulil, obávám se, že sdílet bych ji nemohl :)


Ectar
Cancer!
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13.08.2015 12:50:41
 
Subject: Cancer!
Link on message: #11230353

View Postgpalsson, on 13 August 2015 - 09:38 AM, said: It's strange how people who want censorship of any kind are almost always people who are somehow offended on behalf of other people, and rarely are the people who demand laws and regulations to prohibit speech those who are directly affected.   Anyway, if WG really wanted to combat toxicity / rigging / teamkilling / other shitter behaviour all they have to do is to make a tribunal system like LoL. They have had a decrease of about 90% of bad behavior after introduction. This however won't be implemented because of several reasons: 1) Noone with power in WG reads EU forums 2) If they did, they would dislike the idea of giving power to the players in any way, just look at how the forum went unmoderated for a year and now Ectar comes and water the plants sometimes. They didn't want forum power to be handed out (understandably) but at the same time they don't want to spend any salary on people to make a positive communication with their costumers.   I'm not even blaming Ectar, I think he just have too much on his plate.

Ectar:     1) They do actually.  They just don't have a visible presence by replying to topics. - I along with my fellow Community Managers and Coordinators from other language teams pass on weekly feedback from the forums. The moderator has always been here also. The difference is that the moderators are here to deal with forum violations and help players follow the rules. They're not expected to maintain a super active posting presence (as most of the time they're moderating). Sadly there has been a noticeable increase in forum violations which take up our moderators time. We are actively adding new moderators however selecting new moderators who wish to actually help the community and don't just want to go on a power trip, isn't as easy as some people think.   The LoL tribunal system has been considered with regards to us having something similar, what works for one game however doesn't automatically work for others (otherwise everyone would be using similar LoL style tribunals).


Ectar
A Very Modest Unicum Amongst Us
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13.08.2015 12:40:20
 
Subject: A Very Modest Unicum Amongst Us
Link on message: #11230288

View PostLol_N00b, on 13 August 2015 - 08:00 AM, said: The fact that some are more vocal does not make them a majority, just more loud. 

Ectar:   Welcome to my world  ;)


Ectar
Cancer!
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13.08.2015 12:30:44
 
Subject: Cancer!
Link on message: #11230215

View PostMarlerudeKinstorm, on 12 August 2015 - 10:40 PM, said: I cant understand why WG is having such a hard time to create a proper insults & vulgarity filter into their chatsystem. 

Ectar:   You do realise we have one already right?  By default everyone has the chat filter active and they have to manually turn it off.  The forums also have a chat filter.    In the European region we have something like 30 different countries all with their own swear words.  Now when you block a word, the naughty people who want to use those terms quickly look for ways around the block.  The common method is to add characters from other languages. Shit becomes Shít by adding an i-acute that's used in Hungarian Icelandic, Czech and other languages.  It's not a word in those languages but the substitute letter get the meaning/word across in English.  - So if we ban the word "shit" then have to ban all spelling variants of the words in the swear filter... for all languages.   All of a sudden totally innocent words in other languages are blocked because of that. A perfect example being that the French word for grated (as in grated cheese) which is râpé, is banned because people of poor judgement who use the term "rape" in game look for ways to misspell it to get around the word filter. This is all also before we even get into regional insults within the countries....   We're always looking at how to remove chat toxicity from the game, however there is limit as to just how much chat can be censored.


Delhroh
Hasta siempre comunidad de WoT
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13.08.2015 12:27:04
 
Subject: Hasta siempre comunidad de WoT
Link on message: #11230189

View PostDuainHicks, on 13 August 2015 - 10:15 AM, said: Vaya, ¿quien nos queda por el foro Español?.   Me alegro por el, porque parece que lo ascendieron, pero no te olvides de los PCeros, por favor.   Suerte.

Delhroh:   ¡¡Hasta pronto J0HN_117!!        Fue un placer tenerte en nuestro equipo de Comunidad y te deseamos lo mejor en tu nueva aventura y posición.        Respondiendo a la pregunta cometaros que actualmente podéis contar con el siguiente Staff:   - Community Manager (responsable de Comunidad): DelhRoh - Community Coordinator (responsable de Comunidad): MrDonnie. - Community Coordinator (responsable de Comunidad): En septiembre os lo/a presentaremos :). - Moderador senior: Ender__Wiggins. - Moderador: Será anunciado un 2º moderador dentro de poco. - Moderador: Será anunciado un Tercer moderador dentro de poco.   Saludos.  


Ectar
BT-7A selling price 1000 credits
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13.08.2015 12:11:18
 
Subject: BT-7A selling price 1000 credits
Link on message: #11230083

View PostLM2017, on 12 August 2015 - 02:06 PM, said: next time don't even bother WG you need to sell your 3M credits and 12M credits packages, don't you? no way you can give us III tier tank worth at least 100k credits it would be not good for your business   not worth to play not worth to sell   WG is big shame   edit: ooh and one more thing I advise you to rename your 5 years anniversary birthday gift to 5 years of showing our true money hungry face

Ectar:   Or you know, you could just play free premium tank multiple times and generate as much boosted credits as you want.... We're somehow in the wrong for not giving you something no one said you'd get?  And something free that gives you increased returns is wrong? Unbelievable.


Ectar
je ne c pas ou je peut posée ma question
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13.08.2015 12:05:13
 
Subject: je ne c pas ou je peut posée ma question
Link on message: #11230035

Ectar: Nice guys, way to welcome someone new to the forums who posted in the wrong section....   /closed


Tanatoy
Images marquantes et pourtant oubliée
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13.08.2015 11:37:49
 
Subject: Images marquantes et pourtant oubliée
Link on message: #11229879

Tanatoy: Bonjour,   Bien que moi-même passionné d'histoire, et je sais pertinemment que les participants de ce sujet le sont aussi, on ne peut pas autoriser la publication de certaines des photos qu'il y a eu sur ce fil, car je rappelle, le forum peut accueillir des personnes à partir de 7 ans. (Oui, il y en a très peu, mais ce n'est pas la question). Merci d'avance donc d'éditer par vous même ces photos avant que la modération ne doivent le faire, et merci pour votre compréhension à ce sujet.     


J0HN_117
Hasta siempre comunidad de WoT
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13.08.2015 11:24:34
 
Subject: Hasta siempre comunidad de WoT
Link on message: #11229791

J0HN_117: Saludos comandantes,  Siento no haber comunicado ésto de forma oficial antes, supongo que habréis notado mi baja actividad las últimas semanas, ésto es debido a que he dejado de ser Community Coordinator para ser Community Product Specialist de Xbox, esto significa que ya no me veréis por aquí ya que estaré centrado en World of Tanks para Xbox. Quiero agradecer a todos y cada uno de vosotros el tiempo que he pasado en estos foros, espero haberos ayudado cuando lo necesitabais, y espero que lo hayáis pasado bien con mis concursos. Agradecer también a los Community Contributor por su estupendo trabajo, siempre dispuestos a ayudar a la comunidad y crear actividades para la misma. Como dicen, ésto no es un adiós si no un hasta pronto, seguro que nos vemos más de una vez en el campo de batalla :P Os dejo en buenas manos, disfrutad de World of Tanks. :honoring: J0HN_117.


Tanatoy
Sous-section "Mission diplomatique"
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13.08.2015 11:24:21
 
Subject: Sous-section "Mission diplomatique"
Link on message: #11229789

Tanatoy: Bonjour à tous,   Les permissions viennent d'être changées. 


ennoia
WOT Aile resmi
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13.08.2015 10:42:08
 
Subject: WOT Aile resmi
Link on message: #11229545

View Postrahmib, on 12 August 2015 - 07:01 PM, said:   Birde WOT TR den kimse varmı bu fotoğraflarda?

ennoia:   Hayır :)


Tanatoy
la reponse de WG HALUCINANT
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13.08.2015 09:57:32
 
Subject: la reponse de WG HALUCINANT
Link on message: #11229360

View Posttenia30, on 12 August 2015 - 07:21 PM, said: bonjour. ya rien d hallucinant , c juste staff soviet c tous.ta beau chialer, beau donner tes replay c ta faute lol.gj decadence.  

Tanatoy:   Viveman ke le staff bescherelle arrive, avec son pote le p'tit robert alors.    Merci pour la recette du fondant au chocolat, néanmoins, je conseille de ne pas oublier le glaçage au chocolat noir à plus de 65% de cacao.   Sujet fermé. 


eekeeboo
New garage
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12.08.2015 22:09:19
 
Subject: New garage
Link on message: #11227802

eekeeboo: yes, but why radioactive green?


Alpacalypse
Super 6 Season 13 - Questions & Answers
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12.08.2015 21:39:49
 
Subject: Super 6 Season 13 - Questions & Answers
Link on message: #11227654

View PostManslayer, on 12 August 2015 - 07:04 PM, said:   Yeah, the Q should be, why is winning team not going through with 1-0 (as already asked in Rules Enforcment) :deer:

Alpacalypse: Because our rules state that "Subsequent rounds will be “Best of 3”. Under this rule, a team which wins two games wins the match."


Alpacalypse
Super 6 Season 13 - Questions & Answers
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12.08.2015 21:00:39
 
Subject: Super 6 Season 13 - Questions & Answers
Link on message: #11227456

View PostZeTProF, on 12 August 2015 - 06:45 PM, said: why the team Steel Hunters From Hung dont go vs Give up! Walking a Pig ?????

Alpacalypse: Hello, Because this is how our tournament tree works - team that doesn't have an opponent gets a bye.


Alpacalypse
Super 6 Season 13 - Questions & Answers
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12.08.2015 20:39:30
 
Subject: Super 6 Season 13 - Questions & Answers
Link on message: #11227341

View PostxTheApocalypse, on 12 August 2015 - 05:43 PM, said: Hi can you add http://worldoftanks....10782-_Huzumi_/ to team http://worldoftanks....777-MURICA._EU/ pls  

Alpacalypse: Hello, I am sorry, but once the tournament tree has been created, no more changes can be made to the teams.


Rhaya
5 ans de world of tanks = type 62 et pas de type 59 ?
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12.08.2015 20:21:16
 
Subject: 5 ans de world of tanks = type 62 et pas de type 59 ?
Link on message: #11227253

Rhaya: Bonjour,   Il y a déjà un post ouvert à ce sujet et une réponse en date d'aujourd'hui : http://forum.worldof...0#entry11226630   Fermeture de ce topique, utilisez le sujet disponible !   Rhaya :honoring:


MrDonnie
¡World of Tanks en el corazón de vuestro PC!
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12.08.2015 19:12:15
 
Subject: ¡World of Tanks en el corazón de vuestro PC!
Link on message: #11226890

MrDonnie: ¿Qué os parece? 


eekeeboo
New garage
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12.08.2015 19:11:51
 
Subject: New garage
Link on message: #11226887

eekeeboo: I don't get the radioactive green tank :)    But don't get me wrong, I really do like this garage, for me one of the best they've done. 


MrDonnie
Vídeo de gamescom: ¿Qué nos depara el futuro?
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12.08.2015 19:06:00
 
Subject: Vídeo de gamescom: ¿Qué nos depara el futuro?
Link on message: #11226853

MrDonnie: Lo pongo en conocimiento del Equipo de Desarrollo. :honoring:


Wysch
Petice: Za zavedení československé větve(či větví)
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12.08.2015 18:35:54
 
Subject: Petice: Za zavedení československé větve(či větví)
Link on message: #11226659

View PostIdahou, on 12 August 2015 - 09:15 AM, said: Ale cpe... pokud se nepletu, tak T 40 nikdy nebyla postavena a vzhled věže je domyšlen na základě nákresů a toho "co se mohlo použít". I kdyby to měla být "E50" věž, tak by to zcela určitě šlo udělat vizuálně odlišně a ne to jen okopčit. Jde sice o prd, ale trochu mě to mrzí + se obávám, aby nebyli "poněmčeny" i další tanky

Wysch:   Nebudou. Jednička, dvojka, trojka, čtyřka... no náš klasický (před)válečný design. Pětka s šestkou jsou vskutku naše designy, věž T 40ky je, jak řekl Silent, "původní" návrh. Samozřejmě, štít děla vypadá, jak vypadá. Sedmička je pak prostě T-34ka se stovkou, no. Osmička, a hlavně devítka s desítkou jsou ale krásné československé návrhy a myslím, že se budou modely devítky a desítky opravdu líbit.  Minimálně mně se líbí a donutily mě se na československou linii fakticky těšit.    P.S.  Silente, nějaké info o průchodnosti terénem?


Rhaya
a quand une remise en boutique du type 59 ?
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12.08.2015 18:30:38
 
Subject: a quand une remise en boutique du type 59 ?
Link on message: #11226630

Rhaya: Bonjour,   Et non comme on vous l'a dit précédement le Type-59 ne sera pas vendu. Il y avait bien un Type de prévu cet été, mais il s'agit du Type-62, un char également rare. Boutique premium : la réserve des développeurs   Pour les Type-59 la seule chose qu'on peut vous conseiller c'est de surveiller les Concours Européens où ils sont à gagner de temps en temps. Certains ont également pu gagner le leur à la Gamescom cette semaine.   Rhaya :honoring:


Zamtrios
Konkurs kreatywny - Bohomazy Zamtriosa
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12.08.2015 18:23:44
 
Subject: Konkurs kreatywny - Bohomazy Zamtriosa
Link on message: #11226583

View PostArtur2601, on 12 August 2015 - 02:31 PM, said: Jako że konkurs związany jest z zeszytami - rysunek ma być na kartce z zeszytu, czy może być też np. na A4 ksero?

Zamtrios:   Papier dowolny! :)


Wysch
World of Tanks: Pět let vývoje
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12.08.2015 18:22:35
 
Subject: World of Tanks: Pět let vývoje
Link on message: #11226574

View PostDracek_CZ, on 12 August 2015 - 03:31 PM, said: OT: proč vůbec člověk musí bejt v paříži? Na podobnou záležitost by mělo stačit internetové připojení, mikrofon a webka. To prostě můžu dělat odkudkoli. Navíc požadavky bych čekal znalost ČJ, EN nebo RU. Tak proč se ještě trápit s fráninou abych si mohl koupit bagetu :D

Wysch:   Tož, většinu práce, kterou dělá komuniťák, hráč nevidí. My komuniťáky vidíme na fórech a sociálních sítích, ale to je odhadem 15%-20% času maximálně. Většinu práce, kterou jako komuniťák odvádíš, hráč nikdy neuvidí.  Souvisí to třeba i s tím, že jako komuniťák musíš být v kanclu, protože máš pravidelné (i nepravidelné;) meetingy o produktech WG, stejně tak je rozhodně lepší, že máš okamžitě po ruce člověka, který ti odpoví například na otázku ohledně nějakého speciálu; stejně tak je fajn, že máš po ruce někoho z podpory, contentu, nebo případně někoho z obchodního oddělení. Důvodů je fakticky hodně, a souvisí to s tím, že management komunity rozhodně není správcování fóra nebo sociálních sítí.    Pokud by se například dělala nějaká akce na československém území, zvedne se množství práce, které musíš udělat, zhruba pětinásobně, a k většině z toho potřebuješ někoho, kdo v té kanceláři sedí. 


Rhaya
World of Tanks : cinq années de développement
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12.08.2015 18:01:04
 
Subject: World of Tanks : cinq années de développement
Link on message: #11226471

Rhaya: Bonjour,   On vous avait bien dit que l'été vous réserverait des surprises !   Profitez-en bien car du 12 au 17 Août, il y un jour férié et des tonnes de choses en jeu : * Un char à gagner avec la mission "Un char pour tout le monde !", le BT-7A. Il faudra participer à une bataille et pas seulement se connecter en jeu pour l'avoir. [12-17 Août] * 1 place de garage, 5 Extincteurs Automatiques, 5 Grandes trousses et 5 Grands Kits de réparation avec la mission "Lot de survie". [12-17 Août] * Taux de conversation améliorée pour l'expérience libre : 1Or = 35 Exp libre [14-17 Août] * X2, expérience doublée avec la mission "Gâteau d'anniversaire" [14-17 Août] * 50% de réduction sur les consommables * 50% de réduction sur les équipements * 50% de réduction sur l'entraînement et le ré-entraînement de l'équipage * 50% de réduction sur la réinitialisation des compétences de l'équipage   Tout vient à point à qui sait attendre ! Rhaya :honoring:


Delhroh
Clan IMB (Infantería Mecanizada Brunete) recluta jugadores y jugadoras
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12.08.2015 17:51:35
 
Subject: Clan IMB (Infantería Mecanizada Brunete) recluta jugadores y jugadoras
Link on message: #11226420

Delhroh: El hilo queda permanentemente cerrado.


Alpacalypse
Super 6 Season 13 - Rules Enforcement
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12.08.2015 17:39:20
 
Subject: Super 6 Season 13 - Rules Enforcement
Link on message: #11226341

View PostSplinter_Cell92, on 10 August 2015 - 09:59 PM, said: Srpski korpus 1:1 noob campers!

Alpacalypse: Srpski korpus is advancing to next round.


Alpacalypse
Super 6 Season 13 - Rules Enforcement
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12.08.2015 17:34:57
 
Subject: Super 6 Season 13 - Rules Enforcement
Link on message: #11226304

View Postdreake, on 10 August 2015 - 07:46 PM, said: My team play a first battle and we win. We dont have any information about playoff  and our team dont have enought players for next game.  Dreake, Smolik i spółka :) 0: 2 Brygada KAP   Why we dont have any information about next competition ?

Alpacalypse: 0: 2 Brygada KAP   Why we dont have any information about next competition ? As we explained on forum, we were experiencing technical difficulties that prevented us from setting up the battles. Because of that, tournament was delayed.


eekeeboo
New garage
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12.08.2015 17:34:29
 
Subject: New garage
Link on message: #11226301

eekeeboo: Who else spotted Karl in the garage?    I especially like the rainbow from my e25 too :D    My Maus looks small :(   Forgot to add I really like this garage! 


Rhaya
Décrivez la gamescom 2015 en 4 mots
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12.08.2015 17:13:50
 
Subject: Décrivez la gamescom 2015 en 4 mots
Link on message: #11226147

Rhaya: J'en ai 4 pour vous : Incroyable, Inoubliable, Epuisant, Coloré !   Rhaya :honoring:


Zamtrios
Konkurs kreatywny - Bohomazy Zamtriosa
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12.08.2015 16:47:50
 
Subject: Konkurs kreatywny - Bohomazy Zamtriosa
Link on message: #11225984

View Postgepard8, on 12 August 2015 - 01:06 PM, said: gdzie mamy dawac te prace na wasz email czy tu 

Zamtrios:   Prosimy tutaj!


eekeeboo
Arty Hating at its Worst
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12.08.2015 16:32:13
 
Subject: Arty Hating at its Worst
Link on message: #11225878

View Postwynkin, on 12 August 2015 - 12:56 PM, said: I was having a good night last night my Commander had just got his 5th skill and started on 6th - until I met a player who thinks arty should not be allowed to play.   It would seem I am not allowed to name and shame even after having the misfortune to have an individual on my own team that thinks that arty should not play and that it is legitimate to bump and push me so I could not play until our side lost.   I reported this player but I doubt they will be brought to account for their actions.   I messaged this player and they thought it funny, I told them that I had reported them and they thought this amusing and said they had not yet been banned for this behaviour.   OK this player could have shot me, this would automatically show up - but by pushing, nudging and knocking me off my aim probably does not shown up. I hope this individual gets their comeuppance.   I have their name if support are interested.

eekeeboo:   unfortunately, your only hope would be for him to have gathered enough unsportsmanlike in that game and in the next few days for a ban, support may do something with a replay, but that would be the one time you find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and will merely tell you to use in-game reporting system.    The truly ironic thing about this, is that you are more likely to get banned for unsportsmanlike for playing arti, than he is for ruining teammates games. 


Ketankis
World of Tanks: Pět let vývoje
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12.08.2015 16:20:35
 
Subject: World of Tanks: Pět let vývoje
Link on message: #11225810

View Post_Imperium, on 12 August 2015 - 09:14 AM, said:  A co čeští komuniťáci? Co tam děláte? Není vám to blbý, kontroluje to někdo? Kurde, seberte se trochu. Co trochu aktivity? Já být personalistou, tak letíte na minutu.

Ketankis:   Asi ti chybí aktuální informace, ale zrovna jsem tady z tříčlenného týmu sama, takže pokud mě tu nevídáte tak často, jak byste si přáli, rozhodně to není tím, že bych se nudila, nebo svou práci dělala špatně. Jistě sám uznáš, že pokud je v komunitě jeden člověk a musí se starat o 6 fór, logicky se to na aktivitě projeví.


Delhroh
Clan IMB (Infantería Mecanizada Brunete) recluta jugadores y jugadoras
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12.08.2015 15:40:53
 
Subject: Clan IMB (Infantería Mecanizada Brunete) recluta jugadores y jugadoras
Link on message: #11225558

Delhroh: El hilo queda abierto después de las sanciones correspondientes.
Francamente me parece muy negativa y reprobable la actitud de muchos usuarios a los que he tenido que sancionar. No debéis responder a las provocaciones con más provocaciones e insultos, porque lo único que conseguís son sanciones, tal y como podéis ver. Es mucho más fácil contactar con el Staff para sancionar a los responsables, y con sanciones más duras que pueden llegar a acarrear  un ban permanente de los foros.    Os ruego que la próxima vez en lugar de responder directamente gastéis un minuto en hablar con el Staff por mensaje privado para que tomemos medidas.   Un saludo.


Alpacalypse
Super 6 Season 13 - Rules Enforcement
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12.08.2015 15:36:28
 
Subject: Super 6 Season 13 - Rules Enforcement
Link on message: #11225516

View PostAragorn2292, on 10 August 2015 - 06:19 PM, said: NANL vs FORTI: draw

Screenshots from the advantage:

http://s14.postimg.o...dt/shot_060.jpg
http://s15.postimg.o...t7/shot_061.jpg

Alpacalypse: If a match ends in a draw, both teams will be disqualified for passive play in a best of 1 game.


Alpacalypse
Super 6 Season 13 - Rules Enforcement
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12.08.2015 15:36:14
 
Subject: Super 6 Season 13 - Rules Enforcement
Link on message: #11225512

View PostInfektionskrankheit, on 10 August 2015 - 06:11 PM, said: Hello,   our Team played a draw. Here are the screenshots for show the 12 tier points rule.   Screenshots: http://www11.pic-upl...784qxskodmu.jpg http://www11.pic-upl...uuo1zonel1s.jpg

Alpacalypse: If a match ends in a draw, both teams will be disqualified for passive play in a best of 1 game.


Tanatoy
Coup de gueule
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12.08.2015 15:27:23
 
Subject: Coup de gueule
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Tanatoy: Topikatroll = Topikafermé. 


Tanatoy
la reponse de WG HALUCINANT
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12.08.2015 15:05:08
 
Subject: la reponse de WG HALUCINANT
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Tanatoy: Bonjour,   Si le débat part en hors-sujet, je vous conseille de le continuer dans la section appropriée à cet effet. :) 


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