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T110's Northern Migration

Дата: 05.10.2017 04:17:27
View PostKenshin2kx, on Oct 04 2017 - 22:37, said:   Hmmmm ... I think that is a good place to start ... question though, is this definition, in any way divergent , for say the military definition?  I think the goal here would be to establish a fairly concrete and universal (at least per culture) definition that can be used on a national level?  IMHO, getting the initial definition 'baseline' correct would be highly beneficial to creating a defensible foundation for the effective identification and assessment of key elements or concepts - this then allows for robust regulation that does not easily fall prey to 'loop holes' or creative circumvention of intent ... it also greatly eases the accurate communication by clearly defining sub set elements which are often then be used in the larger cultural paradigm.   Think Scientific Methodology - First order, standardize terms, concepts and mode of communication ... 

The_Chieftain:   Well, is it a good place to start because it sounds all scientificky, or because it actually makes sense?   Here are a couple of examples. Norinco 7.62x39 (Standard AK-47/SKS thing) uses a soft steel core because it's cheaper than lead. It will not penetrate Level IIIA body armor. It is banned. M855 Ball 5.56mm was nearly banned about two years ago (i.e. the common milspec ball ammo, I've lots of it myself as it's cheap) because it has a steel exterior and lead core, and someone in ATF figured out that AR pistols existed. This was fought out, ATF reversed themselves, so it is not AP ammo per ATF. It actually will penetrate level IIIA body armor. M855 will not penetrate steel plate that the old M193 will penetrate, but M193 is not composite to fall under the prohibitions. M193 will not penetrate level IIIA, as the compositions of the two rounds react differently to the different targets. Similarly, some 10mm handgun ammo will go through level IIIA, but since the copper type is not listed in the statute, it's not armor piercing. You start to get the idea.   If you want to define something as 'armor piercing', set a standard type of armor, reasonable for the calibre. Anything short of frangible ammunition will go through a kevlar 'bullet proof vest' if fired from a .30-06, for example.

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