T110's Long, Comfortable, Nights by the Fireside

The_Chieftain:   Meh.   The problem is that part of his argument is the past statistics.This has two flaws. 1) Although it is certainly true that 'good-guy-with-a-gun' rarely stops spree shootings, the times that 'good guy with a gun' happened to be present and engage, there has never, as far as I know, been a case where the police have shot the wrong guy. Even if the shooting is not stopped, incidents like the Chatanooga recruiting center or the Trolley Square Mall indicate that there is very definitely a useful result of having someone at least distract if not drive off the shooter and limit the casualty toll below that which it would otherwise have been had there been no armed presence at all, until local law enforcement show up. Actually, I can't think of any incidents where 'good guy with a gun' actually caused more trouble than otherwise already existed. 2) Frequently 'good-guy-with-a-gun' stops an incident (either by force or threat) before it gets to the level of spree shooting which resulted in being recorded in the Federal spree shooting database to begin with.   Another part of the argument is that if Mr Klepper had to be 'trained in the basics of using a gun', then he's hardly representative of a lot of the population who do carry firearms for purposes other than proving or disproving media experiments. Generally speaking, folks who carry are more likely to be the sort of person who go to the range for fun. Heck, I don't carry (Yay, California Bay Area) but I've attended courses in practical shooting put on by off-duty cops.