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T110's Third Summer of Love and Tolerance

Дата: 08.07.2016 17:10:33
View PostLordCommanderMilitant, on Jul 06 2016 - 22:07, said:     To be honest, what do you need 30 bullets for? You don't need that many bullets when hunting, you don't need that many for sport shooting, and in a self defense scenario, you're part of the problem if you need a ton of bullet to stop the attacker.

The_Chieftain:   Bear in mind that your typical defense shooting (eg Police) takes an average of five rounds to score a hit, and that one hit alone doesn't necessarily end the threat. Also, unlike police, mass shooters, etc., folks doing defense, especially at home, don't carry spare mags. My defense pistol by my bed, I have ten rounds, and that's it. After that, I've a club. People think folks only want standard-capacity mags to deal with platoon sized raids, when in reality, to deal with two or three folk, which is not unreasonable, more than ten rounds is highly adviseable.   It is also worth noting that various State Constitutions are very clear on their right to bear arms, far more so than the federal Constitution. To specifically include personal defense and hunting.   

View PostDaigensui, on Jul 07 2016 - 03:53, said:   Nope. I am saying that with the "ideal" citizen soldier, all citizens have an obligation to be part of the militia as much as they are able to be. There is no choice here.   This really goes back to that long discussion we had with Starship Troopers.

The_Chieftain:   Although they generally do, courtesy of being in the militia, and enforceable by the draft, in the US context, the citizen soldier has always been held to be the citizen who is willing to take up arms as necessary, and that is the basis upon which the US military currently works. I'm in a training unit right now, my unit patch is that used by all National Guard training units around the country: A minuteman. Even active duty is a different philosophy to most volunteer militaries. The military is far more commonly seen as something in which one does a stint before returning to civilian life. In Europe, it's more a vocation, folks soldiering for the sake of soldiering. From what I read of that Rand link, I doubt any of the authors are in touch with the military culture, if any served at all..   It is further to be observed, on a related tangent, that there is ample evidence that in time of need, soldiers are more effectively trained when they already have firearms familiarity. Check the amicus brief in Heller from retired army officers. (I'm on iPad, searching for links is annoying)  

View PostGoldMountain, on Jul 07 2016 - 15:17, said: Still waiting for the Royal Navy...

The_Chieftain:   I have a cunning plan for that one. Should be implemented in about two weeks.   Spent most of a week at 11,000 ft. Still not adjusted.    As as to the Hilary thing, what's annoying us in the military is that there is no doubt that such mishandling of information is a career-ended, there is plenty ample evidence of such. A recent case involved a USMC Major, Jason Brezler, who used a non secure email system to notify other Marinees of a corrupt Afghan police chief. Dept of Navy decided to fire him. Congressmen had to get involved to get the Sec Nav to delay the discharge pending further review. His career is still in the air.   Every year, we have to suffer through online OpSec training. It's god awful, but covers exactly what Hilary did. It jus irks the hell out of us.   Another link to look for, Google "duffleblog OpSec" (Duffleblog is a military satire site, and is usually very much on the pulse of the troops)

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