NATO Survey, 1943
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The_Chieftain:
In my most recent trip to the Archives, I ran across a
section of files of observations from the front. I'll be going over
a few of them, and I'm starting with a series of responses from
North Africa, compiled in June of 1943. Here's the overview.
Report on Antitank and Antiaircraft
Requirements in the North African Theater of
Operations. TO: The Commanding General, Army Ground
Forces, Washington, D.C. 1. The following report is
rendered in compliance with
verbal instructions received from the Commanding General,
Army Ground Forces. It is the concensus (sic) of higher unit
commanders interviewed in the North African Theater.
2. Antitank. a. Troops lost all confidence in the 37mm
antitank gun due to lack of high velocity
ammunition initially and to the ineffectiveness
of the weapon at ranges of 1000 yards and over.
b. Test firing conducted in that
theater using high velocity ammunition proved the weapon
effective against most tanks at 300 to 500 yards but
did not restore confidence of troops, this must
be reinstilled in new units in training in the United
States. c. Two types of weapons are desired by the
Infantry; one for battalion antitank units and one for the
regimental antitankcompany. Killing range,
weight, maneuverability and weight of ammunition
must be considered in assigning antitank
weapons to forward elements of the
Infantry. The
battalion weapons should be as light and
maneuverable as possible but capable of stopping tanks at
300 yards. The regimental weapon should be capable
of stopping tanks at 1000 yards and may be somewhat larger,
heavier and less maneuverable. d. The following
weapons are recommended: (1) Battalion
(a) Present 37mm antitank gun with
4000 f/s muzzle velocity and free traverse. (b) Present
57mm tube and cradle mounted on the 37mm
antitank gun carriage. This gun to be equipped with
a muzzle brake and tree traverse
if practicable and not to exceed 1500 pounds in weight.
(2) Regimental (a) Present 57mm antitank gun
(b) 3-inch or 76mm HV tube and
cradle mounted on the field howitzer carriage.
3. Anti-aircraft a. Proposed ratio of one .50 caliber machine
gun for each four vehicles appeared to
be adequate organic antiaircraft protection.
b. All vehicles should be drilled to permit easy
installation of a suitable .50 caliber machine gun mount.
c. An urgent requirement exists for a pedestal
type, combination vehicle - ground mount for this machine gun
d. Antiaircraft defense of combat units must be supplemented
by the attachment or one antiaircraft
automatic weapons battalion to each infantry
division where in combat. e. General Patton
recommended production of a 40mm cannon flanked by
two .50 caliber machine guns mounted on alight tank,
half track or armored car chassis for antiaircraft protection
of armored units. These weapons to be attached in
the ratio of one per tank company and one per
armored artillery battery. f. Control of
antiaircraft weapons should be vested in the division
artillery commander. 4. Tank Destroyers a. Opinions on this
subject vary widely, the majority favors towed guns for
this purpose which maybe due in
part to prejudice against present equipment (75
guns and howitzer on half-tracks and the 3-inch M10). b.
Properly employed, I believe self-propelled weapons, low
in silhouette, highly maneuverable and faster
than tanks should prove more effective than towed weapons. A weapon
of the T70 type appears satisfactory. All tank
and tank destroyer weapons of 75mm caliber and
larger should be equipped for indirect laying. c. Tank
destroyer battalions should be attached to supplement the organic
divisional antitank weapons. Control should be vested in the
division artillery commander. Bryan Evans Colonel, FA There
were then a number of annexes. I’ll go through two of the more
interesting ones here. These were survey questions that AGF thought
was of particular interest, which the field units were to respond
to. Usually surveys of this sort were distributed to the battalion
level, and both the battalion answers were provided, with a summary
document for the Divisional or higher levels. For TDs, two
questions were posed. Tank Destroyers. 1. There has been
both favorable and unfavorable comment upon the tank destroyer
weapon consisting of the 75mm gun on the half-track. What is the
thought of the using troops regarding this equipment? The gun
itself is satisfactory, but is extremely limited in traverse and
the vehicle must be turned around to fire in withdrawl. The vehicle
lacks mobility, is too distinctive in shape, the silhouette is too
high, is open and exposed to air attack and the maintenance
difficult due to failure of parts unsuspected of weakness for which
no replacements were available. The No.3 cannoneer has a choice of
two positions each equally unsatisfactory; either on the poop deck
exposed to hostile fire, or down in the well where he must dodge
the recoil. A mount with lower silhouette, more maneuverability,
more easily dug-in or concealed and of less distinctive appearance
is desired. The ideal weapon should consist of an engine, a pair of
tracks, a platform and a gun. 2. Has the 3inch
gun motor carriage, M10 (3 inch gun M4 medium tank chassis) been
used in combat? If so, what comment is there concerning its
efficiency? In general, those who have not fought this weapon want
it, those who have, don’t want it. It is believed that the weapon
was tactically, incorrectly employed. At El Guettar it was sent out
to “chase” tanks and 7 out of 18 were lost in five minutes time. It
is too large and high for easy concealment or digging in for
ambush, the sight provided is not commensurate with the
capabilities of the gun. Considerable trouble has been experienced
with broken traversing gear housing due to failure to lock the
traverse when in motion. At least one more traversing lock should
be provided and the traversing gear housing reinforced. A yoke
should be provided to rest the tube when in travelling. General
Patton recommended that we stop building these weapons, that those
now in existence be equipped with more front armor and a top for
the turret, issued as tanks, and gotten rid of.
3. Considerable difference of opinion exists regarding
the proper weapon for tank destroyer use. The majority of tank
destroyer officers who have been in combat consider the role of the
tank destroyer to be a defensive one. If this hypothesis is correct
a towed gun should be the primary weapon of tank destroyer units
augmented by self-propelled weapons or anti-tank tank units in
corps or army troops. On the other hand, anti-tank defense of the
infantry division, which now consists of towed guns, must be
reinforced by powerful, highly mobile weapons for flexibility. This
requirement indicates a self-propelled weapon. Recommend that tank
destroyer units be equipped with high velocity, self-propelled
3-inch or 76mm guns, of low silhouette to permit easy concealment
and digging in such as is described in paragraph 1, above.
And one annex for Armored Force. 1. Have any Krypton
Lights arrived in the theater 2 How are they
distributed to Armored Force, Infantry, Tank Destroyer, etc. and in
what numbers in each? No Krypton Lights had been seen by the
1st Armored Division. None were seen in the theater by this
observer 3. How are they used? None issued. 4.
What is the general opinion regarding their employment,
efficiency and value for air-ground recognition and signaling and
for ground to ground recognition and communication? None issued.
These lights are much desired by armored force units for purposes
described in the above question 5. Have the 14 Radio
Sets SCR-522 (Recently shipped to North Africa) been installed in
tanks and half-tracks? Has the installation proved satisfactory for
the transmission of rapid call for air support? Has a system been
worked out? Has it proved to be of value in battle? Some of these
sets are apparently in the theater (Hear say). One was located at
II Corps at Gafsa. No instructions regarding desired disposition of
the sets accompanied the shipment. None are issued to the
1st Armored Division. 6. Has any correction been made to
prevent sights on the 37mm gun in the light tank from getting out
of line? If so, what has been done? No, nothing. A new method of
mounting this sight which will permit proper boresighting is
required. More powerful direct laying sights with better reticles
are necessary. [Chieftain’s note: There is a hand-written
note, we have them. 3x under this line] 7.
Have any courier-liaison airplanes been used in battle?
If so, how did they perform? In what other ways have they been
used?
The planes were little used in the Gafsa area for
adjustment of fire. General Patton considered them of doubtful
value, stating that our own troops fired at them and that plenty of
good ground observation posts were available. Personnel of the
1stArmored Division considered the planes extremely valuable,
stating that they were used for reconnaissance, location of
targets, messenger service and staff transportation. 6.
What actual evidence is there to prove that Armored
Divisions require anti-aircraft protection in addition to the
organic means provided? What means are now provided? .50
Caliber vehicular weapons are now provided by diverting these guns
from other missions. .30 Caliber guns are worthless for fire
against aircraft. Trains, armored infantry and our artillery
requires anti-aircraft weapons to keep hostile planes away. The .50
caliber guns now provided are insufficient in numbers to accomplish
this purpose. These elements were attacked frequently prior to
Faid-Thala and El Guettar actions. During these two fights,
half-tracks mounting 37mm cannon flanked by twin .50 caliber
machine guns were attached to the 1st Armored Division. This
weapon was responsible for shooting down over 50% of the hostile
planes brought down by ground fire. Planes coming in to attack
swerved and dropped their bombs elsewhere when these weapons opened
up or were spotted by them. One battalion of these weapons per
armored division should be normal attachment to provide a ratio ofg
one per tank company and per field artillery battery.
The substitution of a 40mm cannon for the 37mm one, if
practicable, was recommended by General Patton. Pending results of
experimentation with this substitution, continued production of the
37mm model was recommended. 7. Are there any particular
weaknesses in arms and equipment of armored forces that have come
to your attention? If so, what are they? The following weaknesses
were reported by armored force unit commanders:
Our vehicles burn too easily. Additional protection for
ammunition and fuel is required.
Lack of a good armored car for
reconnaissance, observation and command purposes.
Lack of power in direct laying telescopic sights.
Insufficient range lines and the lack of a vertical reference line
on the reticles in the sights on the M4 tanks.
Lack of means for bore sighting the 37mm gun on the
light tank. Lack of cover on scout cars
for protection against air attack. Low
muzzle velocity of 75mm gun on M4 tank. Muzzle velocity should be
souped up. Insufficient range
now provided by the radio sets of the 500 series.
Poor electric switches in tanks
and tank destroyers. Lack of indirect
sighting equipment. This equipment should be provided for all tank
and tank destroyer units 75mm and larger. 8. Is
there any requirement for any additional weapons or items of
equipment? If so please list them and give reasons. The
following additional items of equipment were considered desirable
by armored force unit commanders
A more effective recovery
vehicle to retrieve our tanks before the Germans do.
Tank trailers like the British
ones to save engine hours and track mileage.
A good fast armored car for
reconnaissance, observation and command functions.
A vehicular mine detector and
destroyer to avoid striking land mines. This detector should be
able to detect mines far enough ahead of a vehicle moving at 15mph
to give time to stop the vehicle before it strikes the mine.
Smoke projector or mortar on
tank for signaling with coloured smokes and for self concealment
with screening smokes. A 155mm
self-propelled howitzer battalion in each armored division.
Two 57mm or 3-inch anti-tank
guns towed by tanks of each tank company. These are to be peeled
off and placed in position to cover tank attacks or withdrawls. I
think it is interesting to note the priorities here, both in the
questions from AGF, and the reponses from the field. I'm not too
sure about that last suggestion, mind. Anyway, let me be the last
to wish you all a happy and prosperous new year. Also, note I have
a Facebook
page and Youtube
channel.
In my most recent trip to the Archives, I ran across a
section of files of observations from the front. I'll be going over
a few of them, and I'm starting with a series of responses from
North Africa, compiled in June of 1943. Here's the overview.
Report on Antitank and Antiaircraft
Requirements in the North African Theater of
Operations. TO: The Commanding General, Army Ground
Forces, Washington, D.C. 1. The following report is
rendered in compliance with
verbal instructions received from the Commanding General,
Army Ground Forces. It is the concensus (sic) of higher unit
commanders interviewed in the North African Theater.
2. Antitank. a. Troops lost all confidence in the 37mm
antitank gun due to lack of high velocity
ammunition initially and to the ineffectiveness
of the weapon at ranges of 1000 yards and over.
b. Test firing conducted in that
theater using high velocity ammunition proved the weapon
effective against most tanks at 300 to 500 yards but
did not restore confidence of troops, this must
be reinstilled in new units in training in the United
States. c. Two types of weapons are desired by the
Infantry; one for battalion antitank units and one for the
regimental antitankcompany. Killing range,
weight, maneuverability and weight of ammunition
must be considered in assigning antitank
weapons to forward elements of the
Infantry. The
battalion weapons should be as light and
maneuverable as possible but capable of stopping tanks at
300 yards. The regimental weapon should be capable
of stopping tanks at 1000 yards and may be somewhat larger,
heavier and less maneuverable. d. The following
weapons are recommended: (1) Battalion
(a) Present 37mm antitank gun with
4000 f/s muzzle velocity and free traverse. (b) Present
57mm tube and cradle mounted on the 37mm
antitank gun carriage. This gun to be equipped with
a muzzle brake and tree traverse
if practicable and not to exceed 1500 pounds in weight.
(2) Regimental (a) Present 57mm antitank gun
(b) 3-inch or 76mm HV tube and
cradle mounted on the field howitzer carriage.
3. Anti-aircraft a. Proposed ratio of one .50 caliber machine
gun for each four vehicles appeared to
be adequate organic antiaircraft protection.
b. All vehicles should be drilled to permit easy
installation of a suitable .50 caliber machine gun mount.
c. An urgent requirement exists for a pedestal
type, combination vehicle - ground mount for this machine gun
d. Antiaircraft defense of combat units must be supplemented
by the attachment or one antiaircraft
automatic weapons battalion to each infantry
division where in combat. e. General Patton
recommended production of a 40mm cannon flanked by
two .50 caliber machine guns mounted on alight tank,
half track or armored car chassis for antiaircraft protection
of armored units. These weapons to be attached in
the ratio of one per tank company and one per
armored artillery battery. f. Control of
antiaircraft weapons should be vested in the division
artillery commander. 4. Tank Destroyers a. Opinions on this
subject vary widely, the majority favors towed guns for
this purpose which maybe due in
part to prejudice against present equipment (75
guns and howitzer on half-tracks and the 3-inch M10). b.
Properly employed, I believe self-propelled weapons, low
in silhouette, highly maneuverable and faster
than tanks should prove more effective than towed weapons. A weapon
of the T70 type appears satisfactory. All tank
and tank destroyer weapons of 75mm caliber and
larger should be equipped for indirect laying. c. Tank
destroyer battalions should be attached to supplement the organic
divisional antitank weapons. Control should be vested in the
division artillery commander. Bryan Evans Colonel, FA There
were then a number of annexes. I’ll go through two of the more
interesting ones here. These were survey questions that AGF thought
was of particular interest, which the field units were to respond
to. Usually surveys of this sort were distributed to the battalion
level, and both the battalion answers were provided, with a summary
document for the Divisional or higher levels. For TDs, two
questions were posed. Tank Destroyers. 1. There has been
both favorable and unfavorable comment upon the tank destroyer
weapon consisting of the 75mm gun on the half-track. What is the
thought of the using troops regarding this equipment? The gun
itself is satisfactory, but is extremely limited in traverse and
the vehicle must be turned around to fire in withdrawl. The vehicle
lacks mobility, is too distinctive in shape, the silhouette is too
high, is open and exposed to air attack and the maintenance
difficult due to failure of parts unsuspected of weakness for which
no replacements were available. The No.3 cannoneer has a choice of
two positions each equally unsatisfactory; either on the poop deck
exposed to hostile fire, or down in the well where he must dodge
the recoil. A mount with lower silhouette, more maneuverability,
more easily dug-in or concealed and of less distinctive appearance
is desired. The ideal weapon should consist of an engine, a pair of
tracks, a platform and a gun. 2. Has the 3inch
gun motor carriage, M10 (3 inch gun M4 medium tank chassis) been
used in combat? If so, what comment is there concerning its
efficiency? In general, those who have not fought this weapon want
it, those who have, don’t want it. It is believed that the weapon
was tactically, incorrectly employed. At El Guettar it was sent out
to “chase” tanks and 7 out of 18 were lost in five minutes time. It
is too large and high for easy concealment or digging in for
ambush, the sight provided is not commensurate with the
capabilities of the gun. Considerable trouble has been experienced
with broken traversing gear housing due to failure to lock the
traverse when in motion. At least one more traversing lock should
be provided and the traversing gear housing reinforced. A yoke
should be provided to rest the tube when in travelling. General
Patton recommended that we stop building these weapons, that those
now in existence be equipped with more front armor and a top for
the turret, issued as tanks, and gotten rid of.
3. Considerable difference of opinion exists regarding
the proper weapon for tank destroyer use. The majority of tank
destroyer officers who have been in combat consider the role of the
tank destroyer to be a defensive one. If this hypothesis is correct
a towed gun should be the primary weapon of tank destroyer units
augmented by self-propelled weapons or anti-tank tank units in
corps or army troops. On the other hand, anti-tank defense of the
infantry division, which now consists of towed guns, must be
reinforced by powerful, highly mobile weapons for flexibility. This
requirement indicates a self-propelled weapon. Recommend that tank
destroyer units be equipped with high velocity, self-propelled
3-inch or 76mm guns, of low silhouette to permit easy concealment
and digging in such as is described in paragraph 1, above.
And one annex for Armored Force. 1. Have any Krypton
Lights arrived in the theater 2 How are they
distributed to Armored Force, Infantry, Tank Destroyer, etc. and in
what numbers in each? No Krypton Lights had been seen by the
1st Armored Division. None were seen in the theater by this
observer 3. How are they used? None issued. 4.
What is the general opinion regarding their employment,
efficiency and value for air-ground recognition and signaling and
for ground to ground recognition and communication? None issued.
These lights are much desired by armored force units for purposes
described in the above question 5. Have the 14 Radio
Sets SCR-522 (Recently shipped to North Africa) been installed in
tanks and half-tracks? Has the installation proved satisfactory for
the transmission of rapid call for air support? Has a system been
worked out? Has it proved to be of value in battle? Some of these
sets are apparently in the theater (Hear say). One was located at
II Corps at Gafsa. No instructions regarding desired disposition of
the sets accompanied the shipment. None are issued to the
1st Armored Division. 6. Has any correction been made to
prevent sights on the 37mm gun in the light tank from getting out
of line? If so, what has been done? No, nothing. A new method of
mounting this sight which will permit proper boresighting is
required. More powerful direct laying sights with better reticles
are necessary. [Chieftain’s note: There is a hand-written
note, we have them. 3x under this line] 7.
Have any courier-liaison airplanes been used in battle?
If so, how did they perform? In what other ways have they been
used?
The planes were little used in the Gafsa area for
adjustment of fire. General Patton considered them of doubtful
value, stating that our own troops fired at them and that plenty of
good ground observation posts were available. Personnel of the
1stArmored Division considered the planes extremely valuable,
stating that they were used for reconnaissance, location of
targets, messenger service and staff transportation. 6.
What actual evidence is there to prove that Armored
Divisions require anti-aircraft protection in addition to the
organic means provided? What means are now provided? .50
Caliber vehicular weapons are now provided by diverting these guns
from other missions. .30 Caliber guns are worthless for fire
against aircraft. Trains, armored infantry and our artillery
requires anti-aircraft weapons to keep hostile planes away. The .50
caliber guns now provided are insufficient in numbers to accomplish
this purpose. These elements were attacked frequently prior to
Faid-Thala and El Guettar actions. During these two fights,
half-tracks mounting 37mm cannon flanked by twin .50 caliber
machine guns were attached to the 1st Armored Division. This
weapon was responsible for shooting down over 50% of the hostile
planes brought down by ground fire. Planes coming in to attack
swerved and dropped their bombs elsewhere when these weapons opened
up or were spotted by them. One battalion of these weapons per
armored division should be normal attachment to provide a ratio ofg
one per tank company and per field artillery battery.
The substitution of a 40mm cannon for the 37mm one, if
practicable, was recommended by General Patton. Pending results of
experimentation with this substitution, continued production of the
37mm model was recommended. 7. Are there any particular
weaknesses in arms and equipment of armored forces that have come
to your attention? If so, what are they? The following weaknesses
were reported by armored force unit commanders:
Our vehicles burn too easily. Additional protection for
ammunition and fuel is required.
Lack of a good armored car for
reconnaissance, observation and command purposes.
Lack of power in direct laying telescopic sights.
Insufficient range lines and the lack of a vertical reference line
on the reticles in the sights on the M4 tanks.
Lack of means for bore sighting the 37mm gun on the
light tank. Lack of cover on scout cars
for protection against air attack. Low
muzzle velocity of 75mm gun on M4 tank. Muzzle velocity should be
souped up. Insufficient range
now provided by the radio sets of the 500 series.
Poor electric switches in tanks
and tank destroyers. Lack of indirect
sighting equipment. This equipment should be provided for all tank
and tank destroyer units 75mm and larger. 8. Is
there any requirement for any additional weapons or items of
equipment? If so please list them and give reasons. The
following additional items of equipment were considered desirable
by armored force unit commanders
A more effective recovery
vehicle to retrieve our tanks before the Germans do.
Tank trailers like the British
ones to save engine hours and track mileage.
A good fast armored car for
reconnaissance, observation and command functions.
A vehicular mine detector and
destroyer to avoid striking land mines. This detector should be
able to detect mines far enough ahead of a vehicle moving at 15mph
to give time to stop the vehicle before it strikes the mine.
Smoke projector or mortar on
tank for signaling with coloured smokes and for self concealment
with screening smokes. A 155mm
self-propelled howitzer battalion in each armored division.
Two 57mm or 3-inch anti-tank
guns towed by tanks of each tank company. These are to be peeled
off and placed in position to cover tank attacks or withdrawls. I
think it is interesting to note the priorities here, both in the
questions from AGF, and the reponses from the field. I'm not too
sure about that last suggestion, mind. Anyway, let me be the last
to wish you all a happy and prosperous new year. Also, note I have
a Facebook
page and Youtube
channel.NATO Survey, 1943














