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Дата: 22.10.2014 18:36:25
Jwilson7020, on Oct 22 2014 - 14:03, said: You are asking the wrong question.... How many lives would
have been saved if we had a MIX of M4s and M26s. If the Tank
Battalions under the Infantry Division MTOEs (the tactical
formations tasked with punching holes for the Armor to exploit) had
M26s instead of M4s, would they not have been better equipped for
the job? "One can only speculate what might have
happened if Patton's forces had had a smaller number of superior
tanks. There would have been fewer engines to be supplied with fuel
and fewer guns to be provided with ammunition [and I add fewer
crewmen to feed] but there would have been greater fighting power
and he [Patton] might have kept going. Would the war in Europe have
ended in 1944 rather than in May 1945 and would the border between
East and West -- soon to become the Iron Curtain -- have been drawn
farther to the east, changing the course of postwar history?"
[Kelly, Orr, King of the Killing Zone, p. 85] Cooper
also speculated that if the M26 had gone into full production
in January of 1944, then at least enough of them may have been
available by Jun/Jul 1944 to have made enough of a difference
tactically to have seized the Ruhr River Valley and forestalled the
Ardennes Counteroffensive, thus ending the war in the ETO by about
six months. But GEN McNair was against putting the M26 in
production because of "rapid deploy-ability" (where have we heard
that before?) issues: we could put five Shermans in the
hold of a Liberty Ship versus one Pershing. They were ONLY looking
at it as a sheer numbers (based on faulty intelligence that pegged
German tank production at twice its actually number [Kelly, p. 84])The_Chieftain: Mr Orr is correct, one can only speculate. Given the range of
capable assets at an infantry division's command, and the relative
lack of heavily armoured opposition targets, it is quite possible
that the distinction between the two tanks was neglible in
practice. Plus, of course, you still have the matter of producing
and transporting enough M26s to make up battalions of them, which
seems unlikely by the timeline. Maybe they should have looked
at making E2s a little earlier, though their long-term viability
given the weight and mobility issues are something of an open
question to me. I believe some units actually turned them down as
they didn't want to be slowed up. I think the petrol issue
is overstated. Of all the vehicles in Pattons' Third Army, how many
of them were tanks? My guess is that the lion's share of the fuel
was being drunk by CCKWs, GPWs and WC51s. And tanks weren't the
only armoured vehicles either, you also have the SP artillery
battalions and tank destroyer battalions. And no matter how
much better an M26 is than an M4, fewer M26s can be only in fewer
places at once. Again, pure speculation as to the effect.
It wasn't just McNair. Armored Force's position was that
only the M4 could be made reliably in sufficient numbers to
conduct the war in 1944. A point I'm inclined to agree with given
how long it took Ordnance to work the bugs out of the T26. And
AGF/ASF's dithering only delayed production of the first few
hundred by about 10 weeks at most, by Ordnance's own records. I'd
need to see some pretty compelling evidence (Preferably primary
source) to change that timeline.
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