Ordnance vs AGF: Pershing Part 2

S842, on Jun 01 2014 - 23:08, said:
Really Kyphe, condescension is unnecessary.  It matters not how long I have been on this forum, just as your lack of playing the game is irrelevant, as well as one's nationally.  The statistics do not change.   However, you could do with better reading comprehension.  What I said in my post above was, "The 17 pounder was substantially better than the American 76 mm and about equal to the 90 mm in penetration", and you then refer me to accuracy tests - of which I have this to say.  The 17 pounder APDS (a tungsten cored penetrator round), was less accurate, but it could penetrate not just Tiger I and Panther, but also King Tiger.  The American 76mm could do none of these things at similar ranges.    Put yourself in an M4 facing the Germans.  You could fire your 76mm gun, make repeated frontal hits and not penetrate.  OK, your gun was accurate, but you are dead.  Now you are in a Firefly, maybe your APDS round is not as accurate, but a hit is a penetration and continued life.   It is important to realize that both the American tungsten cored penetrator (HVAP) and the British tungsten cored penetrator (APDS) were in very short supply or unavailable.  Shermans had a few rounds or none, British load out with APDS was 6%.  The vast majority of rounds fired were the normal armor piercing ammo, called APC (Armor Piercing Capped) by the Americans, and APCBC (Armour Piercing, Capped, Ballistic Capped) by the British.  However, in all cases the 17 pounder penetration was superior - APDS was vastly superior.  Here are the penetration numbers in millimeters at both 500 and 1000 meters (that you failed to research) against RHA (rolled homogeneous steel) sloped 30 degrees.                                                                                                 500m                      1000m 76mm APC  (Armor Piercing Capped)                                   109 mm                    92 mm 76mm HVAP                                                                           139                          127   17 pounder  APCBC                                                               130                          119 17 pounder  APDS                                                                  204                          185                                                                                 


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