v0632-update-preliminary-discussion

MasterWolf, on 16 January 2011 - 01:13 AM, said: The t54 need 100m Armour and NO adjustment - the 120mm armour variant was IRL a one off test vehicle that was rejected as too heavy for service


malacka, on 16 January 2011 - 01:15 AM, said: I don't understand why is IS-7: repair costs increased by 5% and the Т30: repair costs increased by 10%. ?
Can u clarify to us please ?
Thank you !


Diedel, on 16 January 2011 - 01:16 AM, said: Sadly this is only a stats patch, all the bugs aren't touched at all. It's nice that they tweak the stats, but a broken game is still broken if you don't fix it.


Dekurgan, on 16 January 2011 - 01:17 AM, said: My JagdPanther heartily approves


MasterWolf, on 16 January 2011 - 01:20 AM, said: Overlord has already said this is a transition patch - the major bugs are game engine related and require a rebuild, which he has also said is in the works
these are some "tweaks" most likely based on the hard stats from the servers and not forum complaints or suggestions
The Dev's have already posted that they use the overall battle stats and hard figures when evaluating the game before tweaks - we need to live with that or ask better questions of the data


HighFlyer15, on 16 January 2011 - 01:21 AM, said: I like the Battle Tier reduction on those tanks..
Can't wait for more patch notes


Overlord, on 16 January 2011 - 01:21 AM, said: For the sake of game economy, T-30 is most profitable of all tier 10 heavies. Or to be more precise the least unprofitable of them.


VonSchpam, on 16 January 2011 - 01:40 AM, said: Thanks for addressing Ammo Rack and Engine/Fire problems on the Panther II. Boy, are they annoying... but what about the chances for engine and ammo damage through the front of the tank?


6ep3a, on 16 January 2011 - 01:45 AM, said: A rifled barrel thats nearly 1.7 meters (5½~) foot cannot only have 5 more penetration value regardless of ammunition type(no special ammo accounted for). And less accuracy.
Thats just plain weird.
I get your point though.


Omegatronacles, on 16 January 2011 - 01:47 AM, said: Object 212: repair costs increased by 100%, decreased gun armoring.
Is this accurate, or is it a typo? 100% increase on repairs is quite a jump.


OJ191, on 16 January 2011 - 01:54 AM, said: Have fun then, too bad it seems the TD versions of the guns aren't included, only the KwK tank versions. My Jagdpanther is sad.


OJ191, on 16 January 2011 - 01:54 AM, said: Have fun then, too bad it seems the TD versions of the guns aren't included, only the KwK tank versions. My Jagdpanther is sad.


RAZORLIGHT, on 16 January 2011 - 01:56 AM, said: pls do something with arty
no direct hit but gun is down driver killed ...
arty needs bit more accuracy LESS damage more firerate and less module damage
best would be a total rework of the current arty system because it isnt fun to play with or against arty


baki502, on 16 January 2011 - 02:02 AM, said: overlord are u sure the pershing doesnt need any changes? I mean the armor is out of paper and the gun has a dispersion of 0.36 so u have to get close to hit the enemy despite ur paper armour. So pls tell me how this tanj can be the best of the t9 meds? I just cant imagine i always feel sry for this guys when i drive around in my t54 they always die so fast if dont hide in a corner of the map what i myself think explains the survivalrate of it.


Scynscapaene, on 16 January 2011 - 02:12 AM, said: really? I make way more credits in my IS-7 than I do in my T30


grdja, on 16 January 2011 - 02:21 AM, said: Yep those "few tiny insignificant changes" will actually impact T-54 quite hard. Have to wait and see, but not being overly optimistic, T-44 tracks are paper and so now T-54 will be as well. And woohoo higher repair costs than IS-4.


Popdart, on 16 January 2011 - 02:25 AM, said: I also found this to be rather surprising. Maybe it's supposed to be 10%.


6ep3a, on 16 January 2011 - 02:29 AM, said: Actually with the module damage in this version its near useless trying to outflank enemies with any tank, they just need to hit the suspension/roadwheels/sprockets/ or tracks and they are gone - happens with all kinds of tanks really.
Sometimes the best moments is when one shot takes out both your tracks when its AP.


Highway_Star, on 16 January 2011 - 02:30 AM, said: Thanks for showing the Panther 2 some love . Being able to fit the 88mm without adding the tracks first is a nice addition. Although I feel the rate of fire of the 10.5 could still be increased further... I'll wait and see.


azren, on 16 January 2011 - 02:47 AM, said: The only change to the overall durability of the tracks was the drop of 5mm worth of track armor. I hardly think that will make the tracks any more paper-like than they were before.


Deugs, on 16 January 2011 - 02:49 AM, said: reality I know very well because you see the account will be reset at the official release of the game, then I do not see how it bothers a soft wipe and 15 k gold, especially when you have to test the balance the games
now the player is limited because it can not be tested due to lack of gold is an MMORPG in beta if you block a single one of the top 150.
then my job as a beta tester I know, I beta test games, you play ball in your schoolyard.
on this .. good game


Agrestic, on 16 January 2011 - 03:02 AM, said: ur crazy man--realy..
t30 have omfg same armor as t29,maybe its profitable,so give him more armor omg, they are PAPER... dont be crazy,paper armor and repair cost same as overarmored maus or is7 ????????????
will you give t30 better armor??if not,is madness pay more repair cost at same armor as tier7 t29 ..
one question??you will ruin US heavy tanks??? t30 have only big gun but this tank will be killed by any tank tier 5 and more..they havent armor,and will increase repair cost.. ahhh MADNESS i thank you for wasting my time with us tanks,will start our favorite overboosted ussr tanks,..its true,ussr overboosted,russian game.. why not


Hazardz, on 16 January 2011 - 03:12 AM, said: I whole heartedly approve of the mainly small incremental changes that you make to tanks each time rather than wholesale alterations in the quest to balance vehicles. I have played far too many MMO's that vastly change a class or game mechanic that will all of a sudden make a certain class impossible powerful and they will then be FOTM.
Now at the moment the T54 is FOTM, I personally have no trouble with them in my IS7 and they rarely kill me in my S-51 but are a danger if they are able to spot me ofc. The small changes to the tank will hopefully bring it in line with the other T9 meds and make it a quick response/forward observer tank rather than the current Steel Wall candidate it actually is ( Have seen more T54 steel walls than IS4 in past few days ). The higher profile will hopefully make it easier to hit and less able to duck into cover, I am not sure what the turret is like on the other T9 meds but I know there is little point shooting the T54 turret so the low profile is a massive advantage.
Looking at how the small incremental changes have worked in the past I also approve. The reduction in arti accuracy has lessened its effectiveness while still giving it a vital and important place on the battlefield. I play an S51 and of course I would love the shell to always land in the circle but I also smile every time a shell misses my IS7. To me the small changes to arti have improved the class and almost perfectly balanced the sub class in the game. I would actually prefer an AOE style from arti but I can live with the current implementation.
All in all few good small improvements and I look forwards to the major changes to the spotting system in the future. Keep up the good work.


Hornet331, on 16 January 2011 - 03:19 AM, said: Lol didn't i say it... T54 only gets placebo nerfs... 10% repair time increase? pfff thats nothing, same for track armor... if you want to track a tank you can track anytank in game, doesn't matter what stats he has. The increased hight may leads to a few more lucky track shots when hes moving across a flat area showing its side... but a half decent T54 always tries to not shows it sides.
The only "nerf" is the repaircost, sure this will lead to fewer tanks in random battles, but it does not adress things like the ultra bouncy front, impenetrable by anthing other medium then T9 etc still remains.
In clanwars/company battles they still will behave the same way..


kikibgd, on 16 January 2011 - 03:20 AM, said: lol p2 will have 2050 hp hahah medium tank almost same HP as IS7


Highway_Star, on 16 January 2011 - 03:38 AM, said: I'm going to wait and see before reacting to this news. The Panther 1 made up for low armour with some HP. The Panther 2 is the same, only without the HP lol. This next patch might fix that.


BigCheese256, on 16 January 2011 - 03:44 AM, said: Economy is what I like most about the IS-7. The fact that getting credit profits even with a Premium account is very difficult, is what makes the IS-7 a tank you have to be skilled with. If you act like an idiot, such as rush out and sit in an open area for artillery shells, you will lose a large amount of credits. However, if you play good, deal a helluvalot of damage, and survive, the IS-7 can be very profitable. But please, don't push it beyond it's limit. The IS-4 is a well known credit farmer, and shouldn't have such a massive statistical bonus over the IS-7.


xecute, on 16 January 2011 - 03:57 AM, said: Is that a long winded way to say it's best to camp?
I am in agreement with these changes for the most part but I do think they encourage camping more. T-54 drivers are just gonna camp along with the IS-4 & IS-7 now to save money. So the camping issue just gets worse


kikibgd, on 16 January 2011 - 03:58 AM, said: T54 is kinda OP at the moment, maus that has 3k hp will shoot faster and mous dings alot witch is retarded because most of tanks edges are 90 degrees.
dont know but seems like they nerfed IS-7 dont ding so much even tiger 1 can penetrate me on most sloped places and take like 15% 20%...
all in all atm maus is king of T10 tanks.
ok also funny thing is i shoot IS-4 i get his 25% i shoot T54 i get 20%, mediums should be more fragile and less HP due their high speed and size
@ xecute
funny thing people camping lose more credits then rushing...
BTW just got obj212 guys that say accuracy is nerfed i killed is3 trough the window in himmelsdorf and same way KT


dreedzik, on 16 January 2011 - 04:23 AM, said: nice...
Maus now have great armor and ~13s reload, ammo cost 1070
IS7 have around 12s reload ammo cost 1118
and T30 --- glass cannon what need to camp and stay back to earn any credits have 16s reload and now will have around 27k for repair and ammo cost 1650 .. nice..
rly good economy balance.