About modern MBT design philosophy, angled armor and modern ammunition
Дата: 13.04.2015 14:48:42
Lert: Three of the best MBT's currently in service everyone here would
agree are the M1 Abrams, Challenger 2 and the Leopard 2. It's the
design choices on these tanks that this thread wants to address.
First the Abrams:
If you note the front armor, both
hull and turret, you'll see that they are flat slabs of armor under
a minimal angle. Now the Leopard 2:
This is the 2A5, but the 2A6 and 2A7+ have
the same armor layout. You will note that the both the front
hull and turret armor of this tank are sharply sloped. What do the
germans know that the americans don't? Or, vice versa, what do the
americans know that the germans don't? Then there is this,
the Challenger 2, considered by many to be the best protected, most
heavily armored of the three:
It has a flat,
relatively unangled hull front with a relatively highly angled
turret face. So, what gives? We have: - The american
design with flat, slab everything - The german design with sharp
angled everything - The british design with flat hull and angled
turret But wait, it gets even more interesting:
This
picture of an older generation Leopard 2, from the 2A4 block in
this case, shows a very flat, unangled, slab turret face. Yet the
2A5 and upwards have the sharp angles. What gives? Aren't those
shot traps? ... Well, not really. The sharp angled wedge
shape on the turret front of the Leopard 2A5 and upwards is
actually a wedge-shape add-on piece of spaced armor. This picture
of
a Leopard 2A5 turret under construction shows the near side of
the turret before the addition of the spaced add-on part, still
showing the flat turret face of the 2A4.
Here and
here are two pictures of those wedges of shaped armor. My
understanding is that they serve to deform penetrators before they
reach the actual turret armor, which is still flat and unangled,
like in Abrams. Wiki backs
me up in this: "The A5 introduced a wedge-shaped, spaced
add-on armour to the turret front and the frontal area of the
sides. These spaced armour modules defeat a hollow charge prior to
reaching the base armour, and causes kinetic-energy penetrators to
change direction, eroding them in the process; it does not form a
shot-trap since it doesn't deflect the penetrators
outwards to hit the hull or turret ring." The way this is
phrased and from viewing the pictures of the armor addons, this
leads me to believe that kinetic penetrators are meant to penetrate
the wedge armor, being deflected inwards because of normalization
and losing a lot of their penetrating potential before hitting the
actual turret face armor, as per my crappy MSPaint drawing:
However, this is just wild
guessing on my part; I claim no particular understanding or
knowledge. So, all this new information changes my earlier
list to: - The american design with flat, slab everything -
The german design with sharp angled hull and flat turret face - The
british design with flat hull and angled turret face So, my
questions are: - Why the radical difference in design?
What's the philosophy behind them? - The german designers chose to
add the wedge shaped spaced armor pieces to the Leopard 2 when the
flat design of earlier Leo's as well as Abrams was 15+ years
proven. So why the change in philosophy? - What does sloping do to
modern ammunition? - Why is Leopard 2 so sexy?
Mmmmmmmm .... Note: Modern ammunitions interact with
armor and slope differently from the ammunition of the time period
that WoT encompasses. Don't bring your WoT theorems into this
discussion, this is about modern composite armor, modern high
density and chemical ammunition and modern design philosophies.
As a thank you for reading, have a video which celebrates
two of these three amazing machines along with some classic rock:
If you note the front armor, both
hull and turret, you'll see that they are flat slabs of armor under
a minimal angle. Now the Leopard 2:
It has a flat,
relatively unangled hull front with a relatively highly angled
turret face. So, what gives? We have: - The american
design with flat, slab everything - The german design with sharp
angled everything - The british design with flat hull and angled
turret But wait, it gets even more interesting:
This
picture of an older generation Leopard 2, from the 2A4 block in
this case, shows a very flat, unangled, slab turret face. Yet the
2A5 and upwards have the sharp angles. What gives? Aren't those
shot traps? ... Well, not really. The sharp angled wedge
shape on the turret front of the Leopard 2A5 and upwards is
actually a wedge-shape add-on piece of spaced armor. This picture
of
a Leopard 2A5 turret under construction shows the near side of
the turret before the addition of the spaced add-on part, still
showing the flat turret face of the 2A4.
Here and
here are two pictures of those wedges of shaped armor. My
understanding is that they serve to deform penetrators before they
reach the actual turret armor, which is still flat and unangled,
like in Abrams. Wiki backs
me up in this: "The A5 introduced a wedge-shaped, spaced
add-on armour to the turret front and the frontal area of the
sides. These spaced armour modules defeat a hollow charge prior to
reaching the base armour, and causes kinetic-energy penetrators to
change direction, eroding them in the process; it does not form a
shot-trap since it doesn't deflect the penetrators
outwards to hit the hull or turret ring." The way this is
phrased and from viewing the pictures of the armor addons, this
leads me to believe that kinetic penetrators are meant to penetrate
the wedge armor, being deflected inwards because of normalization
and losing a lot of their penetrating potential before hitting the
actual turret face armor, as per my crappy MSPaint drawing:
However, this is just wild
guessing on my part; I claim no particular understanding or
knowledge. So, all this new information changes my earlier
list to: - The american design with flat, slab everything -
The german design with sharp angled hull and flat turret face - The
british design with flat hull and angled turret face So, my
questions are: - Why the radical difference in design?
What's the philosophy behind them? - The german designers chose to
add the wedge shaped spaced armor pieces to the Leopard 2 when the
flat design of earlier Leo's as well as Abrams was 15+ years
proven. So why the change in philosophy? - What does sloping do to
modern ammunition? - Why is Leopard 2 so sexy?
Mmmmmmmm .... Note: Modern ammunitions interact with
armor and slope differently from the ammunition of the time period
that WoT encompasses. Don't bring your WoT theorems into this
discussion, this is about modern composite armor, modern high
density and chemical ammunition and modern design philosophies.
As a thank you for reading, have a video which celebrates
two of these three amazing machines along with some classic rock:
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