Cliff.

Draschel: Hey all, happy sunday. Just looking for some opinions about Cliff, at a competitive level Tier 8 and 10 of course. This led to some inter-clan dispute the other day, about what exactly is to be done on Cliff. I was under the impression, that a light tank tries its best to secure hill itself, or doing its best to deny it from the enemies light tank. Whether EBR105 or T100LT, EBR75 or LT432. Then gun depression mediums, fast heavies do their best to get to base of lighthouse ridgeline, STB1 / Chieftain / Kran Etc  or Caernarvon/Renegade/progetto/LIS. E5-E6, F5-F6 respectively. With the initial fight for map control and view range, high ground, the goal would be to trap enemy tanks C5-D5 and G5-H5 in their climb to the middle, making them stop and incredibly vulnerable and bunched up.  THEN, and WHEN this is achieved, flanks, wingmen, fliers can be used for crossfire donut, F3/D3 or to spot arty, Etc. Like a progetto or bourrat, 907s/140s. Non gun depression core wolf-pack heavy tanks, like 277 and 260,  53TP bunch up at the base of ridge either end, to cause a dead zone crossing D4 and F4, preventing enemy reinforcing donut. Maybe, and a slim maybe, a Strv at perches, or uniquely J3 because north span doesn't have an elevated spot like that. Generally, narrow 2 line and 9 line, are of very limited focus and provide very little map control, vision.... leading to your team wasting its resources, time, spreading thin, or worse boxing itself up.  So the clan gets caught up in dispute, over the dumb 2 line. In my experience in advances, listening to people like ophacker, supernova, zero I have very few times, seen a dedicated effort to take donut by brute force, 1-2. Maybe in 8s, where a fast-boi is anticipated. Who does something like this, yet it "seemed" like the entire clan holds that as the big play. Wth?  I am pretty new here, 4months and wasn't around for the last campaign, but Jeez. I also took a look at FAME CLIFF strats, and other than exotic 1-2 pushes using 268 V 4, which I am sure they used because of some sort of prior intel gathering or wanting to try some s--- push, majority of the strat still seems focus on E5-E6 / F5-F6 play with gun dep tanks such as chieftain/STB1/Kran, holding up the enemy and trapping them in a s------- C5/G5, pincer heavy tanks like 260/277  E4 and THEN using donut for crossfire or spotting SPG. Light to secure or deny hill.  Wth 2 Line? Most I saw were 140s/907s using it as flex, after map control mid is established.  I took a quick look at WoT GURU too, and the "light" strat for most to see and follow, seem to densely focus on lighthouse too, rather than 1-2 + donut Educated, experienced thoughts? I mean its a top 40 clan. This is nonsense.