Balance..

Noo_Noo, on 08 January 2019 - 11:41 AM, said:   I selected the Defender is its  basically another OP premium that WG introduced at Tier 8 as one example of where balance is way off. The fact that it doesn't happen every game is almost irrelevant Its in the game and it was put there deliberately.

That E8 meets tier 8 tanks a lot thanks to the current MM and as we are trying to tell you the gap between tier 6 and 8 is becoming too wide, especially with the current trend of all tier 8 premium tanks being very strong, if not OP or even broken. You can repeat this message across the whole game with the current 2 tier spread in the MM. 

Please note that I am not against two tier MM but I would like my -2 tier tanks to be able to contribute. 

That aside I find this attitude that everything is absolutely fine with the game a bit of a concern. Just look at this forum!!!!


Gkirmathal, on 08 January 2019 - 12:55 PM, said:   Of course those gaps have become different and in some cases worse. Not between the some older content (tanks) that has never been readjusted/tweaked in the past few years. E8 being one of them, Type 58 as well to name but one extra.   But the influx of new premiums and adjustments to certain premiums/normal content has shifted the meta throughout the tiers. The addition of template MM, combined with the 9.19 priority changes to 3-5-7 template, has also changed the environment in which players play the game compared to before. The decision to start even out armour profiles (removal of weak spot as it is called by many folks here) when tanks were remade into HD also adds to the gap in cases. The decision to up (turret) armour profiles on higher tier and certain nation tank lines, also adds to it.   Inter tier balance should be in order, which in some circumstances it is not. The E8 was given as just one highlighted example.   Each gap on itself is not stellar, but they all add up. Some more than others. But to be fair, developers did address some power gaps in late 2016/early2017. To give an example or two, the German mediums were tweaked and given quality of life buffs. Like the Panther2 line and Indien Pz line. Or the Löwe, for example.     I hated the Cromwell as well to be honest! The tank did not fit my play style.   The 'simple change' and the skewing you talk about. Let me give a clearer example to refute what you said: premium T-34-85M. That tank was given a huge buff that seriously skewed inter-tier 6 balance.   Besides seriously upping it's armor profile, it's ammo got changed as well to the one used by the tech tree 34-85. Which meant an increase of alpha. This alpha increase was not offset versus it's old rate of fire, which was retained and was based on it's old 160 alpha rounds. The result was an over armored tier 6 medium, compared to it's regular counterpart, almost as agile and a much higher dpm than almost any other tier 6 with the same alpha levels. Comparison: https://tanks.gg/compare/t-34-85m?t=rudy%7Et-34-85%7Ep43-bis%7Eskoda-t-40%7Etype-58   So what is and would be more skewing at that tier? The E8 getting a slight buff, through changing it's ammo, slightly increasing pen? Or the changes that were given to the 85M, which is there to be sold and make money on?   Of course I expect you to take it up for your employer, no harm in that, I understand where it comes from (contracts yay). So I'm not asking you to refute what I just posted, but do take in mind where players come from. Some of us have more knowledge that intersect with corporate life than you think.


LordMuffin, on 08 January 2019 - 01:06 PM, said: If you want to win your games, you are forced to fight T8 tanks like the Defender in like 30-40% of the games you play. You can of course not try to win and only take engagements which have zero impact on outcome. Though some that play this game actually plays to win, which also means being forced into engagements with 2 tiered higher opponents more or less every game 2 tiered higher tanks are present.   So in my E8, or any other T6 tank, I am forced to fight T8 tanks if I want to maximize my chances of actually winning.   Balancing a game to boredome is a failure at balancing. Balance doesn't mean identical tanks nor symmetrical maps. You can achieve balance in asymmetrical maps and in non-identical tanks.   If you wanted WoT to be more about teamwork, you shouldn't ruin SH. Also, teamwork is mainly non-existent in WoT, partly due to non rating based Matchmaker.  The skillevel difference is so huge in battles that teamwork gets very difficult to have. I see the game way different from you. This means, I can't rely on you. Because if I make a certain move, which will work if you do a certain move. I won't do it, because I am fairly certain that you are not aware that the move I want you to do is possible. If you where a 60%+WR player, I would do it though, because at that point I can rely on you actually seeing what has to be done.   You can't say that "we must release very powerful T8 premium tanks due to the matchmaker". That argument is just so stupid, and the only thing that comes from such thinking is powercreep, OP tanks and an increase in power difference between tiers and within tiers.   There have always been a gap between 2 tiers, but the gap have INCREASED since 2017. Increased means that in 2016, a T6 tank had an EASIER time fighting a T8 tank compared to how a T6 tanks fare against T8 tanks today.   The challenge current WoT gives is not interesting for me. Since it is not mainly skillbased anymore. Earlier, I felt the challenge was mainly skillbased, and that if I improved, I could overcome the challenge. Nowdays, I do not get that from WoT.   Old maps favouring high camo snipers over everything else???? The only time when TDs was strong was before they got the camo after shot nerf. After that, the best tanks for winning games (on average) have ALWAYS heavy tanks, the difference now is that difference between heavy tanks and armoured assault TDs and the rest has vastly increased since 2017.


Gixxer66, on 08 January 2019 - 02:17 PM, said:   You asked where I got 75% bottom Tier numbers from - by recording where in the MM my tank appeared for a couple of sessions, ie my own data. I think you took my reply regarding Defender / IS3A a little too literally, the point being you are likely to face up with something you have to rely heavily on RNG and the lack of skill of the driver to beat, it doesn't matter if it's a Defender, IS3A, Vk10.0001 etc. . You can actively try and avoid any of the above, but at some point you will have face up to a +2 Tier tank to win a match. If you think that tanks like the Defender are balanced, then we have very very different ideas of balance.      


adameitas, on 08 January 2019 - 02:24 PM, said: personally i missed old days when tds fought vs mediums, mediums vs heavies and so on. Now we have same number of tank types per game and that is just boring. For me the key is randomless in randoms. The more you try to control it the worse result you get imo. Every game should be as unique as possible.