EU Questions & Answers

Terran_wrath, on 05 June 2012 - 12:38 PM, said: Dear Overlord,
The community has gathered some stuff about the E-series... read it please:
The E series was PLANNED to have the transmission at the back! And hence it should!

drehstab, on 02 June 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:
If we look at the transmission/engine unit Maybach and ZF designed for E-series and used for the AMX 50 series,
there is clear evidence for a rear transmission being possible:

Exactly this unit should have been used on the E-series. Source:
http://appsprod01.zf.com/Chronik/deu/1945/tn1945.htm (german),
http://appsprod01.zf.com/Chronik/eng/1945/tn1945.htm (english)
(ZF company chronicle)
There it says:
German:
I.e. the design of the transmissions for E-series and for AMX 50 is identical.
So - I think a reasonable deduction would be to leave the transmission in the rear.
Sources:
Historical declassified french blueprints (cross sections) of AMX 50 based tank destroyers which are showing Maybach HL295 with this ZF transmission:
http://i.imgur.com/jhuzI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JAyRZ.jpg
http://forum.worldof...o-canon-de-120/
I took great care when scaling the engine for the above image and took the length of the engine block itself as reference dimension:
Installation drawing of Maybach HL 295 (with dimensioning): http://www.smcars.ne...hl295-1945-.gif
Installation drawing of Maybach HL 230 (with dimensioning): http://www.panzerbas...es/hl230p30.jpg
additional drawings: http://www.panzerbas...ch-drawings.htm
rumcajsek, on 03 June 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:
Spread the word about this video:
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Cc08d25N4Mk
Even game models are not capable of front transmission!
CHECKMATE
Szalona, on 04 June 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:
http://forum.worldof...ver-statistics/
from all players without restriction
TANK PLAYERS NEW OWNERS BATTLES BpP WIN_RATIO CHANGE GLOBAL_WR STDDEV
ST-I 8 10 8 24 3 54.17% --- 49.74% 30.78%
AMX 50 120 4603 1405 7142 277158 60 49.89% 0.03% 53.26% 15.32%
M103 21100 2459 30464 1110483 53 49.22% -0.04% 52.16% 16.86%
IS-8 52522 18732 62937 3982293 76 48.44% -0.12% 51.61% 16.53%
E-75 30268 5767 46437 1794362 59 48.33% 0.04% 51.36% 15.89%
VK 4502 (P) Ausf. B 6886 1979 17938 398374 58 46.98% -0.21% 51.49% 16.12%
only from players with at least 150 battles in the tank
TANK PLAYERS NEW BATTLES BpP WIN_RATIO GLOBAL_WR STDDEV
AMX 50 120 1999 228 171499 86 50.49% 53.24% 14.69%
M103 12138 711 811013 67 49.65% 52.27% 16.64%
IS-8 32485 5419 3178382 98 49.24% 52.06% 15.04%
E-75 19418 1381 1370681 71 48.99% 51.52% 15.20%
VK 4502 (P) Ausf. B 3161 359 250454 79 47.19% 51.25% 15.73%
Seems E-75 is performing too good comparing to other tanks... oh wait... maybe it is not Russian-bias. It is just only German-anty-bias.
But it is not possible that E-75 was killing someones ancestors!
drehstab, on 04 June 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:
First:
Keep this thread objective and stop offending the devs or anybody else!
Russian players are discussing this topic like we are.
On topic:
As I had to notice in the last days its quite hard work to link the little pieces of information ncessary to get an overall image of historical development for a single issue. Especially when it comes down to judging undimensioned drawings. The dev team deserves much credit for developing such overall pleasing net of reasonable relationships between all the tanks. And I actually always defended this game as NOT being russian biased, but this discussion really makes me think there is something going wrong...
Tikhonovetskij posted and translated my last post to the russian forum. Thanks for that!
http://forum.worldof...7/page__st__500
Its nice to see so many russian players also rejecting this nerf.
Some posts got deleted there, but if I got it right Storm said the drawing was too small and imprecise. (My drawing was based on one of Storm in which he actually didnt highlight the whole engine...) Then he posted a drawing of AMX 50b (dimensions unreadable...) to proove the engine/gearbox I used was too small and then stated AMX 50b was about 1 meter longer then TigerII/E50/75, which is not the case ingame (and when comparing the drawings, to my impression the game is historically accurate with this). But especially the 50b with its extra low hull uses a special engine configuration, e.g. the air filters are not mounted on top of the engine and the transmission is longer than that of AMX M4/50 100.
So searched for further drawings to get more precise and found a big drawing of AMX M4 1948: http://www.heberger-...4552_AMX_M4.png . Interestingly this one seems to be from the same set of drawings like this installation drawing of Maybach HL 295 (http://www.smcars.ne...hl295-1945-.gif ), which I used to scale the engine/transmission unit from the AMX drawing correctly.
I merged all information I could find together in one autocad drawing:

(I still have the feeling the Tiger II is scaled too small, if anyone has a larger drawing with dimensions... I used this armor scheme http://www.fprado.co...heme_Tiger2.png)
Downloads: DXF/DWG, PDF (everything clearly readable there, including dimensionings)
First of all the turret on the M4 actually isnt mounted that much more forward than on Tiger II, the front hull just was shortened because the space there was mainly needed for a front transmission.
It comes out around 25cm are missing when you try to mount the engine/transmission unit in Tiger II. First, E-Series is by far not identical to Tiger II when we are talking about such minor dimensioning differences. Also, compensating those differences would have been an easy task, even for the dumbest engineer. Either the hull could just be extended by 20-30cm (hardly visible ingame) or you could do an extrusion of the rear bulkhead for the rearmost parts of the gearbox.
A rear transmision was a designated design requirement which had to be met!
Its same like saying ooops we designed a great tank with an ultra compact turret, but have no more space left to mount the required gun - lets just go into construction phase anyway instead of enlarging the turret... only to be flabbergasted when manufacturing the prototype.
So we have to state, there is no counterproof for a rear transmission.
But we still have strong evidence that the rear transmission we find on AMX M4/50 was designed for E-series.
Source:
http://appsprod01.zf.com/Chronik/deu/1945/tn1945.htm (german),
http://appsprod01.zf.com/Chronik/eng/1945/tn1945.htm (english)
(ZF company chronicle)
So there was a gearbox design done for those tanks, detailed contruction of the anyway newly shaped hull would have considered that.
To make this clear: I am not subject to any kind of exaggerated glorification of german tank engineering, those tanks have their well known weaknesses (on topic: and dont need extra ones...). There are many admirable soviet constructions and we all know Panther in some aspects was acutally inspired by T-34. But with E-series we can also see, german engineers were able to learn from mistakes of the past and this should be reflected by this game.
Thanks for reading.
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It's on this forum
http://forum.worldof...moved-to-front/
where we wated for u to respond.
No reactions yet. Neither frm u neither from other devs. Stop ignoring the community please and stop making wrong decisions without opening up reasonable explainations to the community.
Further check out this
http://forum.worldof...__fromsearch__1
petition where ur customers signed up because they fear u wil ruin the product by bringing up unexplained nerfs long after the release of it...
I think I speak in the name of all the signers and ppl who care about this game when I say we wait for ur respond and hope it will not be as incompetent as Serbs responses.
Edit: spoiler removed for u, Overlord, read it!
Cheers!