Sandbox 2021: Try Out Crew 2.0!

StahanoW, on 26 February 2021 - 10:17 AM, said:
Erm, I think some other major issues were addressed by the community, not just these two, like:
- 7.5 skills are just not enough, 10 what would be the sweetspot. I don't mind if the 75 level cap would increase to 100.
- Half of the skills are very situational and you can only use them in very cheesy situations
- The amount of XP loss when you try to train your commander to a different tank is insane when you are paying credits for it. The price is also a joke, because the same crew moving to a Tier I to a Tier II tanks is 500.000 credits, while the Tier II tank average price is around 3.500 credits, this has to be adjusted / level at least.
- The Vehicle Handling % loss (which is connected the extra 10% VH provided by the commander itself in Crew 1.0) bug still sitting in the system (while sandbox received some small updates)
- Talents are so situational, most of them are just deadweight

I already wrote down the goods sides, so I don't want to repeat myself (just because I don't want to annoy you). The count of major problems are 7, not just two. If these things could change in a better way... well I can live with Crew 2.0 . But not like this. I think the others are on the same opinion too (based on what I read mainly on EU and RU forums).

2 things came up my mind lately:
- What if crews could have tanktype based skills instead of situational skills?
- What if the 5 main category would be the same like Eqipment 2.0s categories?


SwiftScope, on 26 February 2021 - 10:20 AM, said:     Here we go, WG staff trying to polish the new crew system as good.   and btw the cake example is nice but irrelevant. you already baked the cake, we tasted it and it smell and taste like poop. crew 2.0 is already on sandbox and we are testing it. simply we don't like it. it is a big money grab and it make some already broken tanks even more OP. in the current crew system 4 skill crew is epic, more than enough to be competitive. in crew 2.0 we need big pockets to be competitive.   anyway i have premium tanks with special crew and i payed for both of them and invested a lot of them to make them decent crew. now you will take them against my will and transform them to special instructors that are nothing but a pile of RNG garbage and you will leave my premium tanks without any crew. when this crew 2.0 thing goes live be ready to refund me all the money i paid for premium tanks with special crew. This is the rule, if you touch premium tanks or any paid items players will be entitled to refund.   Be ready to lawyer up WG because soon the player base will demand a refund because you messed up with items we paid for.    


RedJester, on 26 February 2021 - 10:21 AM, said: I have not answered the poll because there wasn't an option for my opinion. 
I think the option: I like crew 2.0 but with some MAJOR changes should have been the 5th option. 
  1) Retraining crews to new tank should be left as is in current system firstly, not the new EXTORTIONATE system in terms of XP and credits - it is absurdly expensive. (500k credits and 660.700k xp SERIOUSLY... or nearly 2 million crew xp for so-called free?).    2) We should at least get xp for zero skill BIA crews when converted to instructors since we're all losing that perk from those crew we either paid or played to earn that we currently enjoy. 
3) There should be none of this RNG nonsense on perks for Instructors, allow us to select the perks and change if we desire at the very least if you're gonna take away our precious zero commanders. 
4) In reality someone with a 4 skill crew right now is going to be worse off after conversion in terms of skills, address this fact so we're not losing out in terms of skills after conversion. 
5) Perhaps consider that 75 skills is not enough and restrictive, forcing us to lose out in real terms compared to what we can have now. 
6) Perhaps talents should not be locked to one tree forcing 30 points into that one tree, and also should be resettable. 7) I am sure there are a few things I missed but others will have pointed them out.  8) Crew 2.0 imo could be great, but not as it is.   


Smoki_Bandit, on 26 February 2021 - 10:57 AM, said: Dear WG I have one observation relating to BIA vs Coherence Why did the successor to the BIA get a negative consequence in the sense that when the crew is injured or stunned it loses its value !? For example: take two identical scout tanks on Prokhorovka.Both have learned identical skills, including Coherence/Bia(in old system) to maximize spotting skill.   Both stand in a line of bushes and spot for their team, xyz meters away from each other (as far as it is just enough to stumble unhindered and so that they can shoot unspotted from the other scout)   Scenario 1: one scout blindfire and hits another, neither spot is spotted because there are double bushes between them.The affected scout withdraws from the position and incites spotting from another location where he is not so endangered as to survive and make spotting for his team.BIA non stop active and spotting range and hiding at the same level, neither is spot.   Scenario 2: same target same distance, same blindfire from first one (HE grenade). Another spotter has injured / stun crew members / set on fire.Coherence in the second scout ceases to be valid and performance, including concealment falls by some percentage, while in the second tank that made the hit those values remain. The first tank spot of the second tank, this one of course when spotted tries to withdraw and is exposed to fire of all enemy tanks in the rank + due to the hit this one fired been activcated the skill "Target Tracing" which makes it marked for an additional two seconds which further complicates the life of the spotted tank. In that scenario he will most likely be killed and thus the other team will get a huge advantage which often leads to victory.  


Hepo, on 26 February 2021 - 11:12 AM, said: Long time since I have posted anything. But going through all the info about crew 2.0, I wanted to give my suggestion how to handle the 0-skills/instructors. Maybe this has been suggested before, but I couldn't find.

For example I have a crew with Santa as a commander: When converting, calculate the experience of the whole crew and divide it by number of crew members (like this is currently implemented). But instead of converting Santa to instructor with random skill boosts, just give player opportunity to select two fully maxed skills for Santa (because in Crew 1.0 he had two free skills anyway). And remove other boosts instructor has, to prevent creating too OP combinations (like over 100% camo boost).
In my opinion, this would be the simplest system for players to understand and also work nearly identically for special crew members as it did before. This crew would have 2 zero skills as it did before and all the other skills are unlocked like with any other crew.


FrostBiil, on 26 February 2021 - 11:14 AM, said: Hi Wargaming   I have tested the crew 2.0 for a few hours now. It's a really good change, it helps new players a friend of mine like it he's having trouble understanding what to put on your crew. But it feels too random with the Instucter skills (i know it's not completely random), i feel you should allow people to choose the skills for themselves, fx. if i want to set up a passive tank and i want the "eyes open" for that tank you might not get it all of the times and then you have wasted that instructor. So please consider making that change with allowing people to decide for themselves and no semirandom perks.    - FrostBiil


HMS_Birmingham, on 26 February 2021 - 11:20 AM, said: Is there not a pinned post where WG can update us on changes to the SB crew 2.0?   I keep seeing sandbox updates but no news for their reasons? Is it to fix bugs or are WG trying to resolve players concerns by improving 2.0 ???    


Rakii, on 26 February 2021 - 12:09 PM, said: I have main problem with compensations / transfers / economy   1) 0-perk(s) should be compensated (or any skill including six sense) 2) We should be able to convert any crew to XP books 3) Bunks - many players paid real money or gold to get them so good amount of gold should be compensated. We didn´t pay for any Order 4) Directives - it´s a nerf - the best solution would be credit conversion (20k : 1) 5) Personal Training Manual -- it´s the most rare manual (not available for credit) It should be kept as legacy item for one time use on crew. 6) retraining / skill reset should be much cheaper and without loosing XP


Feoffle_der_Fachidiot, on 26 February 2021 - 12:15 PM, said: I am worried that we demand compensation for the zero skill perk, but WG don't give us the compensation it deserves.   The more skills you have on a "zero skill perk" crew, the greater the loss you suffer with this current conversion rate. The XP compensated should be equivalent to the next highest band of XP required to complete that perk, but I bet we get offered something equivalent to the first skill's XP requirement, which equates to a fraction of whatever the next skill would be in reality when you're at 4-5 skills.


Arty_Lerry, on 26 February 2021 - 12:36 PM, said: 2 days after the crew 2.0 release on sandbox.  Wargaming is shamelessly already posting and advertising for us - players, to buy Sabaton crew Primo Victoria tank, so that we can get 4 extra Class II instructors in the future. Very sneaky wargaming - actually not, rather rude and obvious way to show us that you are all about ''pay to win baby". I expect soon enough T1LPC Offspring, The Boys and whatever else to be in store before the update. Haha   Only 33 euro for useless tank but 4 class II instructors. 


FleiszG, on 26 February 2021 - 12:49 PM, said: Hi! Can someone tell me: Are Twitch commander CLASS 3 OR CLASS 2. Thx


MrLovelyHat, on 26 February 2021 - 01:06 PM, said: Someone else posted this video, but here's the part which shows you can get +15% EXTRA crew skill after level 75: https://youtu.be/qS6sNTZnh9g?t=771   1. It will cost about $300. Per crew. Or literally 100s of hours per crew. Why should it ever be this hard or expensive to have a fully competitive crew? 2. This potential disparity between players is terrible for balance. It goes even deeper into the questionable "advantages for paying" philosophy. If paying gives advantages, those advantages should be capped for the good of gameplay. A full expertise +15%, premium tank with bond equipment, firing all gold...yuck? Someone in a T95/FV4201 with this crew against a newly arrived T10 player? I am a premium account player with some of those advantages, but I'm still often in the dust compared to a veteran with a great crew (and lots of playing experience - which IMHO should be the only advantage). 3. You can use this crew against new players in whatever tier you want. A Hetzer, LEFH or E25 with this crew? A KV-2 with insta swap shells with this crew...? Wrecking ammo racks and fuel tanks on noobs' tanks with vulnerability expert (because they don't have any skill points in "Safety Measures" yet...)   WG, do you want the game to be appealing to new players? Low tiers already have a lot of problems and this change seems to add to those problems. Crew 2.0 could be a great leveller - make it easy to re-spec, make progressing your crew exciting and fast - so they feel competitive. Don't make it so that veterans and people with a huge wallet get an advantage. It's possible to monetize this without it causing imbalance. There are enough excellent suggestions in this forum that Crew 2.0 could be great, simple and to the advantage of ALL players. I hope you have the will to do it WG...