Improved Visibility Mechanics
Дата: 06.10.2016 17:18:44
TheGamingLion, on 05 October 2016 - 06:04 PM, said: I suspected a bug with bushes and their camo values lowering
drastically upon moving the tank in or behind them, went to test
it. Whole thing: Tank 1: Ru 251, 473m viewrange, 31.1% camo
(BiA, 3 crew members on 100% camo skill, 1 member on ~70%, does not
have camo paintjob). Tank 2: WZ-132, 465m viewrange, 33.9% camo
(BiA, 100% camo skill on all 4 crew members, has camo paintjob).
Note that a light tank has the same camo value when moving
and being stationary. So it should not matter if the tank moves
when concealed. Tank 1 spots Tank 2 on 328m if no bushes are
in play. Tank 2 spots Tank 1 on 334m if no bushes are in play.
Tank 2 spots Tank 1 on 127m if Tank 2 moves towards a
stationary Tank 1 concealed by a bush that is transparent to Tank
1. Tank 2 spots Tank 1 on 321m if Tank 1 is concealed by a bush
that is transparent to Tank 1, with Tank 1 moving barely at all
(literally pressing W/A/S/D for 0.1s). Tank 2 does not spot Tank 1
on 321m (or way less, didn't write down numbers) if Tank 1 is
concealed by a bush that is not transparent to Tank 1, and moves a
little. This was tested on different maps with different
bushes. The described bug also seemed to apply to medium tanks, so
it is not a LT-only thing. Different light tanks were also used, so
it is not limited to specific tanks either. It seems like since
9.16, bushes only give a tiny bit of the camo they used to give to
a moving tank behind/in it, if the bush is "transparent" to the
tank. Both replays: http://wotreplays.eu/site/3003904#steppes-slartibartfart-sp_hpanzer_ru_251
http://wotreplays.com/site/3003890#steppes-thegaminglion-wz-132
Here something similar in video form: https://youtu.be/znmLfYKpKt0?t=3m30s This is from a
different testing game than described above though, but still
displays the issue well. The Ru 251 is stationary and unspotted,
with a wide enough layer of bush in front of it to prevent any
spotting other than through the bush itself. As the tank moves even
just a tiny bit, it gets spotted immediately although the camo
value the bush gives the tank should not change. If you skip to
4:10, you can see that it requires the spotting WZ-132 to move 170m
(from 300m to 130m) closer in order for the stationary Ru 251 to be
spotted. Also tried to recreate the situation on http://www.wotinfo.net/de/camo-calculator with this
result: http://i.imgur.com/KbZ9Nhx.png - the resulting
numbers differ slightly from what I perceived, but are almost
identical. Though, once one adds the bush density, it doesn't parse
anymore. In general it would also make sense to decrease the
Sixth Sense delay by a second, since on average it probably takes
about 1s less to get spotted, considering all distances.
Anyway, I hope what I tried to describe is clear enough and gets
fixed/clarified soon.Gepard_PH: What you describe is not intended. Bushes should provide
camo bonus for vehicles on the move as well. It has been reported
already and developers are investigating the issue.
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