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Subject: Fragen? Die Community antwortet!
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daEmOnInMir, on 23 February 2019 - 01:57 PM, said: Mahlzeit zusammen,   kann es sein, dass das EP-Fieber verbugt ist? Hab heute mehrere Runden auf dem T-43 (VII) gespielt und auch einige Siege mit der Bedingung unter den Top Ten zu sein erreicht. Diese werden allerdings nicht im Auftrag aktualisiert.   Hat noch jemand das Problem?

Subject: Soldiers of Fortune Finals - Questions & Answers
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Lowered, on 21 February 2019 - 12:15 PM, said: Hi.   Today was the day for the auction, yet, the global map's "personal_shop" is not available, as it only shows a rotating gear, and nothing else... How to know if the tank is available on auction?

Subject: Dernières news du développement de WOT
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Subject: 121, STB-1, AMX 30B on en parle ?
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Subject: Rhm. Trashwagen.
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Igor_BL, on 22 February 2019 - 01:56 PM, said:   You are insulting us, by claiming RHM is fine as it is. And it is the same type of "high ceiling" tank, like the batcat.
So, please, stop insulting your players, by writing nonsenses like that. Thank-you!

P.S. you requested it... Do you see the difference? Any? I might be civ. eng. and a mathematician, numbers are my thing, but I dont think those two graphs are hard to differ. 14:02 Added after 5 minutes also, what is this?!!?

"I advise you to avoid any Scientific field with your ability to draw conclusions from statements. Please take the time to read again what's been said, then try again. "

You talk to forumite and player like that? as forum CC/moderator or whatever?


gpalsson, on 22 February 2019 - 01:07 PM, said: No, that's not how it is. You can't compare the them because good players can make BC25t work. Yes, they can in fact surpass performance in other tanks that may be easier to drive but have lower potential, because they can use the strengths of the tank to overcome the bad ones. But that is because eg. BC25T actually HAS some strong points that are worth exploiting.   My entire point is that it is not possible to surpass the performance of other tanks in this particular tank because all other LTs are just flat out better. The Rhm is the worst. It doesn't matter how good you are, you won't have better performance in it compared to other TX LTs than you do in the others all other things like crew being equal. So you may find one or two players who does for some odd reason have better performance in them than other TX LT's, but I can assure you it doesn't have to do with skill floor.


peregrine, on 22 February 2019 - 02:07 PM, said:     Please enlighten us where exactly the rhm does what is expected to do? There is not a single data point where the winrate is within 4% of the expected values. Again, someone playing the rhm wins 4% less battles than in the "average" tank. No one can make the tank work. That is the definition of a underpowered tank.   Since you brought up the bc25t, recent results show that the tank is not as good as it used to be. So meta changes would require to buff the tank.     I am not sure you should be making such statements given your conclusions from reading a simple diagram.


geoff99, on 22 February 2019 - 02:24 PM, said: Has someone hacked Eek's account?   Normally he's friendly, responsive, constructive and open about WG's strengths and failings. Great attributes for a forum mod.   Defending the Rhm Pzw is madness though. Clearly its complete cack. Saying that its not just annoys people and loses trust.


Solstad1069, on 22 February 2019 - 03:14 PM, said: I hear you eekeeboo, but why does any tank get buffed when you can just call them high skill tank.


Sfinski, on 22 February 2019 - 03:36 PM, said:   So you admit it's not balanced. Good, so what is all this shiet of you repeating over and over again it's fine? If it's not balanced, it is not fine. No matter how specialized it is.    


tajj7, on 22 February 2019 - 03:41 PM, said:   I'm not hearing him, I really don't get what he is trying to say here.   The tank is a high skill floor tank, we all get that, any paper tank that relies more on mobility, camo, vision, DPM than alpha, hp and armour is going to be harder to play and harder to do well in.   But this is a high skill floor tank with no high potential, people who are top 0.1% of players, probably top 0.01% cannot get this tank to perform at the same levels as even their other tier 10 lights (let alone other more competitive tier 10s) which to me very clearly says underpowered tank.   Even if you play this to perfection, to the highest level of play possible, you are still going to be better of in other tanks.    Also if you just leave aside the statistics that clearly show it to be very poor, just doing a logical assessment of its attributes in comparison to other tanks on tier 10 shows it to not be very good. It is a large, very paper tank with poor penetration, poor alpha, poor DPM, and so so gun handling.  That is not a good combination for a successful tank in the current meta. 


fwhaatpiraat, on 22 February 2019 - 04:44 PM, said:   Sorry, but you are wrong on so many aspects. You start with a good point, ofcourse it would be dull if many tanks had the exact same parameters. The 'jack of all trades, master of none' vs 'one-trick-ponies' does make sense in theory, but not if it gets implemented as 'master of all trades, jack of none'. The RHM PZW has no relevant strengths. It's spotting capabilities are mediocre because of its size and sluggish mobility (turning speed). That means it is really easy to counter, either by just shooting the rhm pzw when it is making a spotting run (it is higher than an Obj277, boxy and has no armor, you do the math), or by blind firing at positions like on Malinovka, Redshire or Prokhorovka. The tank is not stealthy to get and when driving around it basically says: "shoot here for easy damage". It's combat parameters are even worse, far worse actually. With a reload of 7.5s (with BiA, gun rammer and vents) it has a worse reload than all NATO meds (and ofcourse all 320 alpha RU meds). That is not a good starting point already, add worse penetration, far worse penetration drop off (194mm penetration on 500meters, 60 meters less than the mentioned meds), 0.35 base accuracy with so so bloom statistics, 20% worse shell velocity (with standard round, with HEAT or HE it is even worse), no clip (which many fast tanks have) and a 280mm heat round, and you should have an idea how the 320 alpha gun performs. If you think that is not a problem since you 'should not snipe the fronts of heavy tanks', it is. Since 1) you will face a lot of heavily armored vehicles frontally. Doing nothing means you're useless, which makes it more likely to lose. 2) You cannot flank them at the start of the game, the fastest way to get rekt is to flank them at the early stages of the game. 3) Even during flanking, the parameters of gun handling, penetration values and dpm are really important, if you have to snap shot the side of an IS-7, Type 5, WZ-5a, etc, you are quite likely to 'ding'. Also the traverse speed (worse than a 907 or Leopard, but better than a Batchat or Centurion) will make you suffer if you quickly want to retreat or try to get some nice shooting angles.   This has nothing to do with a jack of all trades. This is just a tank with really mediocre statistics on basically every aspect, while there are tanks around that score much higher on basically all aspects. For instance the 907 or 260. Good luck fighting such 'master of all'  tanks.


Igor_BL, on 22 February 2019 - 06:15 PM, said: I just cant believe what am I reading. That is it.
This time I am finished with the forum. There is no point. If guys like eekeeboo are in charge for something, telling us "RHM is good as it is now" and similar nonsenses, there is no feedback that can change it. And with Gepard's recent recognition that they dont value our feedback, they have their "way".
I will let them to live in their world, where it is ok to implement 268v4, where you need 2-3 years to buff 260, to nerf e5, where is4, leo1 and similar tanks are still on the list, becase "data is being collected"...

I would love this game to have a long "life", but i doubt it. See ya guys on battlefield.
Cheers.

Subject: Nos plus grosses boulettes sur ce jeu:
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Subject: Marathon is a good stimulus to grind my T44
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Ceeb, on 22 February 2019 - 01:05 PM, said:   I noticed you didnt answer the second part of Eric post

Subject: Is World of Tanks Pay 2 Win ?
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Blubba, on 22 February 2019 - 05:09 PM, said:   Ok, I'll bite. What is the definition of pay2win? What the hell is pay2progress? If I kill more/do more damage/stay hidden spotting for longer, don't I win more? I know I'll progress more but isn't that the same thing? I win more XP/credits surely or is that just a fallacy? Am I not rewarded more for spotting lots, surviving more, bouncing more, doing more damage (which normally means penetrations) and ergo, killing more? My definition is if I can get any of the above through a payment mechanic, it's pay2win but I look forward to reading your definitive definition. Furthermore, why do people insist in linking players to P2W? The player has nothing to do with it.
   

Subject: Retours Soldats de fortunes
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Subject: WoT Suggestions Thread
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rejkov, on 22 February 2019 - 02:40 PM, said: Dear wg staff!   this sentence was at the end of my chatban mail: "We are sorry that we had to take such action, but please note that our aim is to guarantee fun, fair play and strategic satisfaction to all our players. "   THEN LET'S DO AND GUARANTEE FAIR PLAY!   The gameplay constantly against +2 is fakkin annoying.

Subject: Update 1.4 General feedback
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Subject: Blue Teamkillers
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Lowered, on 22 February 2019 - 04:47 PM, said: I am not sure if you are trolling me, or just not bothering to read the posts.. I already told you that it was NOT about you, and i even quoted the post in question, that lead to all of this.   Really...? Do you want a direct link to the post you just replied to? Please do read the posts before replying to them.

Subject: Kalelerde Değişiklikler
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TheLast_KebapBender, on 22 February 2019 - 12:43 PM, said: Vuque de Copy Paste kurbanı... WG kendine benzetmiş..  Bunların arasından hangileri eklenecek hangileri kaldırılacak nerden bilicez ??  Hani altı çizili olanlar eklenecek de kalın italik olanlar kaldırılacak de ne bilim müneccim in uzuvlarıyla muhattap etme bizi 

Subject: Australian Centurion: the Mk. 5/1 RAAC
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antwerp_fighter, on 22 February 2019 - 03:27 PM, said: Something wrong with my browser? why the picture upside down. 

Subject: Cure Your XP Fever
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Cobra6, on 22 February 2019 - 03:24 PM, said:   If you'd truly catered to those players you'd not lock the XP to premium tanks. Thing is, if you know the 3rd/6th etc. battle the extra XP is handed out you just make sure you play the right vehicle in that battle. And let's not forget they can convert XP fine from regular vehicles as well, it doesn't cost more or less then from a premium tank.   The *ONLY* reason to lock the XP to a premium tank is because you want gold used (money) to convert it, it has very little benefit to the players.   Cobra 6

Subject: Türkçe forumu neden Yunan tanrıları yönetiyor ?
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SupremeMaster, on 22 February 2019 - 12:26 PM, said:   Gönülden istiyorsan olurum. Ama onun dışında gökküşağı renkli toplardan nefret ederim


TheLast_KebapBender, on 22 February 2019 - 12:30 PM, said: Yok o motor olacakmış..  Görüyorum ve arttırıyorum !       

Subject: DP Ateşine İlaç
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jackal1406, on 22 February 2019 - 01:37 PM, said: Ben yanlış okumadım heralde, neden sadece premium araçlarda yapılıyor???

Subject: Avustralyalı Centurion Mk. 5/1 RAAC
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_Kiziroglu_, on 22 February 2019 - 08:52 AM, said: Tank iyi güzelde, resimde ters çevrilmiş. Bilerekmi yaptınız acaba?   https://worldoftanks.eu/tr/news/special-offers/centurion-raac-february/

Subject: Remove SPG from the Game!
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Subject: Wins/Battles: 10 (34) (29.4%)
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Subject: Stammtisch #9
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Madtanker_1BHS, on 22 February 2019 - 03:03 PM, said:   Ab 1.4. im Shop. Zusammen mit der neuen, stark verbesserten Version von Wargaming Cheat Modpack. Dieses wird aber nur nach Freischaltung durch den Support dann im Shop erhältlich sein. Im Modpack enthalten ist auch das neue, extern an den PC anzuschließende RNG Modul.

Subject: Frontline Fehler und Probleme
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cooper60, on 21 February 2019 - 12:37 AM, said:   Hey Zäpfchen, hier ist das deutsche Forum! Reported!!!   Kannst du was zu dem Bug mit dem springnden Zielkreis sagen? Sind die Entwickler dran, oder müssen wir diese Saison damit leben?   Es nervt schon gewaltig, etwas Feedback wäre schon super.

Subject: Australian Centurion: the Mk. 5/1 RAAC
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Gardar7, on 22 February 2019 - 12:14 PM, said:   I'm not saying that it is a bad tank, but why would anybody choose it over the Cent? It is clearly powercreeped in the same role. It is like 121 vs. Obj.430U just with premiums and real money. 

Subject: The Challenge on Wheels Rolls Out
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adameitas, on 22 February 2019 - 12:41 PM, said:   well it seems that what is value for players and what you think is value for players are different things. Very well. I just hope you wont miss that many players are not happy about the way you run this marathon.

Subject: Blue Teamkillers
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Lowered, on 22 February 2019 - 01:11 PM, said:  

Subject: wheeled tanks, let me bring back some old stuff.
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WoT_RU_Doing, on 22 February 2019 - 01:24 PM, said:   Actually, it's fairly obvious....the M8 uses the same 37mm gun as found on the M3/M5 Stuart and M3 Lee. From this we can deduce that the Greyhound is a tier IV, so the only Tigers it can have killed are the tier VI premiums   Seriously though...full credit to the crew - I can only imagine the panic as they raced to put 3 rounds in before the turret rotated.

Subject: Supertest - M10 RFBM
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Subject: Výzva na kolech vyjíždí
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unhappy360, on 22 February 2019 - 02:49 PM, said: Ceníme si, že si sa podelil, ale skús tu spätnú väzbu trocha prepracovať, tak aby to aj tvoji nadriadený mali jasnejšie, ak tam dáš, málo času, príliš ťažké, tak to nekorešpodnuje s tým o čom sa tu bavíme. A vyzneje to, spätná väzba ako vždy, veď o tom vieme. V zásade by sa podmienka výhry dala akceptovať, ak by bola skill misia napr. nastrieľaj XY tisíc DMG.

Subject: Výzva na kolech vyjíždí
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Subject: Supertest: French Reinforcements Have Arrived!
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Subject: Il Centurion australiano: l'Mk. 5/1 RAAC
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Etjew, on 22 February 2019 - 12:52 PM, said:   ...è un riferimento implicito? 


kampf63, on 22 February 2019 - 10:56 AM, said: Meanwhile? ne ricevo almeno uno al giorno da mio figlio, capirai... 

Subject: Update 1.4 Wheeled Vehicles
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tajj7, on 22 February 2019 - 12:11 PM, said:   Making comparisons on cherry picked stats paints a false picture, you basically lied to try to convey your incorrect point.   The Obj. 140 is a far more versatile vehicle, that is far more forgiving to play and is useful in far more situations and roles. It is basically a much better vehicle than the EBR 105.   Since when is spotting at 300m bad? You know that several lights can get to around 40% or more camo on the move and those vehicles have more view range. I can get my T92 light to basically 40% on the move camo and near 500m on the move view range, and that is a tier 8 light tank, so not only am I very tough to spot at longer ranges, I can also spot stuff back, which the wheeled vehicles are much worse for.   Hence why I said most meds and lights will outspot them, play more carefully, don't rush to zones and use bushes slightly further back to keep them lit and they will never out spot you.   These vehicles are not at all hard to kill IMO, I have no issues hitting them, unless its at long ranges where they are largely harmless.   Also all vehicles can hit on the move even at long ranges, its RNG, these tanks might hit slightly more, but no more than some of the best gun handling lights like the T92 light, T100 lt etc. and none of them do it reliably. You would know this if you played them.   As for the rest I know my rights, you don't understand that this is a private forum owned by WG, if they want to delete every post you make, they can and there is nothing you can do about it. You also signed up to the EULA in game and if you read it, it says WG can't change the game as they see fit.      You do not need luck to hit them, you just need aim, I have little issues hitting them, I find the ELC Even 90 harder to hit.    By your logic TDs are OP because of their alpha and pen, heavies are OP because of their armour, I mean its unfair right that in a medium heavies can pretty much auto-aim and pen me, but I have to aim carefully to pen them and they do more damage per shot than me and have more HP than me.   Oh wait no, that is how the game works.   A turretless TD that lets a fast, agile light vehicle isolate them at close quarters SHOULD DIE, that is how the game is SUPPOSED TO WORK.   That is your weaknesses being exploited by another player using his tanks strengths, that is an example of good play.  Use your tank's strengths, your camo, your large gun, better pen etc. to position yourself better where you can shoot them unspotted or have team mates around to support you.   Your example is just bad play, if you let a light do that to you, you would die as well, so there is no difference there.      Too much firepower? None of them have above 2k DPM, they all have average to bad pen, and average to bad alpha for their tiers   The tier 10 has 190 pen FFS, and you claim they have too much firepower.   This comment highlights the problem with the feedback about these wheeled vehicles, far too much of it is coming from a position of complete ignorance to the facts and reality.     I've played the tier 8 quite a lot now and played the tier 9 and 10 on test, they are IMO not good vehicles, they are too focused on mobility and don't have enough else to back them up, yoloing around just doesn't work, going 80kp like the tier 8 does is not fast enough, people hit you easily from what I have found, so you are left playing as this semi-blind light tank who is best off playing as a sniper flanker.   I've seen the tier 10 have some use, but the tier 10 can get semi-acceptable view range if you fully pimp it out, like most who currently have it will (but then most average players when they get the tier 10 will be using standard equipment, lesser crews, no food etc. so will barely have much more than 410m view range on tier 10)   I fully expect that long term once the masses get hold of them and the good players realise they are weak and situational they will be the worst performers on the server.     Then its an unfair advantage heavies have armour that bounces shots and TDs have alpha that does massive damage.    You have a KV-2 that is able to one shot most tanks in its tier, that is far more broken and unbalanced than these wheeled vehicles.   ---------------------------------------------------------   Been playing the tier 8 and I have to say its poor, it is not fast enough like the tier 10 to avoid fire, you barely avoid anymore shots than a light can, you are completely blind and even a couple of shots usually means you are down to a one shot.   Had similar experience with the tier 8 premium as well, though that at least had the auto-loader to effectively do a bit more damage.    You need to decide what these tanks are, if you want them to spot more, they need more view range and bit more survivability, I suggest at least a 20-30m view range buff to all of them and HP at least on par with the same tier lights. (i'd say that maybe the tier 10 doesn't need but the tier 9 down do)   If you want them to be aggressive snipers, flankers, then they need more firepower.   I also think that the tier 9 to the tier 8 is the most pathetic upgrade going up a tier I have ever seen, you barely get anything from going a whole tier up, alpha is the same, DPM is almost the same, mobility is only a tiny percentage better, gun handling is no better, pen is a tiny bit better, and you even get worst gun depression.   The tier 9 needs a lot more.   

Subject: Prosím někoho z WG o vyjádření
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SWAT0013, on 21 February 2019 - 06:39 PM, said:   Tak když mě tam cituješ s celým příspěvkem. Já vím, co to ukazuje... Ale už se tedy nějak ztrácím v tom, co je tedy správně, abych řekl pravdu...   Takže prosím jasně - jak to tedy má být?   Má mít pomalovaná verze a nepomalovaná s maskováním různé hodnoty maskování jako to ukazovalo dříve (čísla jen pro upřesnění, nepamatuji si přesná - tzn. že třeba M41 90 GF měl třeba 16,84% a M41 90 s kamufláží měl 17,19%, ale když jsi tam dal posádku, vybavení, žrádlo apod., tak se to obrátilo v M41 90 GF 30,43% a M41 90 30,10%).   Nebo má být maskování stejné (tzn. M41 90 GF i M41 90 s maskováním mají oba 17,19%, s vybavením, posádkou a žrádlem 30,43%)?   Ono tam těch UI chyb bylo kapánek více (a sem tam se tehdy objevily v různých podobách zas a znova) - takže si bohužel nepamatuji, co přesně kdy bylo chybou...   Ono právě i když jsem to teď naposledy řešil v ENG vlákně o Skorpionovi, tak jeden člověk tam dával screen, kdy měly maskování stejné (a tak jsem to viděl i já...), další ale tvrdil, že u něj to ukazuje jiné jako vždy (a nepřímo tvrdil, že je bez módů, zatímco mně to ukazovalo v bezpečném režimu...) - právě proto bych chtěl mít jasno v tom, jak to vlastně tedy je...

Subject: Is World of Tanks Pay 2 Win ?
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johncl, on 22 February 2019 - 12:53 PM, said: You play a stock tiger 2 without gold ammo and consumables with a 75% crew ...I play my defender full god ammo premium consumables and 6 skilled crew ,    I will play while eating my dinner and scratching my nutz ...Lets see who win out of 10 games , By the end of this seasson i will have blisters on my B@!!s....and 10 win's   This game is 100% pay to be competitive thus increase  your chance of winning  or P2W

Subject: Aukce tanků ?
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dreig, on 22 February 2019 - 01:58 PM, said: Zdárec lidi , kdo zkoušel aukci  tank za bony . Zájíma mě jakou jste dali nabídku já dal na 907 - 17 000 bonů a nic tak by mě zajímalo za kolik byla. Díka za info

Subject: Marathon is a good stimulus to grind my T44
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__Eric__, on 22 February 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:   You need credits?   Don't you get Fort Knox package every week from WG

Subject: wheeled tanks, let me bring back some old stuff.
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Fizzymagic, on 22 February 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:   Is there any more info on this vehicle killing the tiger? 

Subject: Rhm. Trashwagen.
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Sfinski, on 20 February 2019 - 06:37 PM, said:   And this will never be answered. WG is blind for facts.


HaZardeur, on 20 February 2019 - 06:39 PM, said:   You pulled a SerB here eekeeboo... sadly I might add.


gpalsson, on 20 February 2019 - 06:49 PM, said:   No it simply isn't a good vehicle. It doesn't have to do with skill. Yes, good players can do well enough in it. But they still do worse in it than if they were in almost any other vehicle. You see the problem isn't that it's hard to play. Many tanks are like that. The problem is that no matter how good you are it is just not a good tank compared to what else is available.


Sfinski, on 20 February 2019 - 06:54 PM, said:   Only serb can play it to its full potential and maybe eekeeboo too.   // Naw, scratch that. Eekeeboo plays it like rest of us, dealing 2,2k damage with t10 tank. Something that plenty t8s does. And yet, its still balanced.


Beltalowda, on 20 February 2019 - 07:06 PM, said:   Typical WG answer to anything that is not a Russian tank, if it would be in your favorite Soviet tech tree it would already receive several buffs.   The last time WG buffed a Non-Russian tech tree tank was 2 Years ago (23/02/2017).    Updates 9.18 and forward was all and only about overbuffing Russian tanks. So go to hell with your high skill ceiling answers, you know what you are doing and you are doing it on purpose. You're pathetic !   .


Cobra6, on 21 February 2019 - 07:33 AM, said:   Come on man, we've all seen the win rate curves of this abomination and it's below the average across the board. Even unicums perform worse in it then pretty much any other light tank (and let's not forget T10 light tanks are winning less matches across the board as well compared to their peer-classes).   Cobra 6


Dr_Oolen, on 21 February 2019 - 07:54 AM, said:  


tajj7, on 21 February 2019 - 10:01 AM, said:   It's still not even that good either. I mean take a 140 (which is not even meta) and you can do about 90% of what the T-100 is able to do, whilst being vastly better at other roles.    T-100 lt is the best of a bad bunch, all the tier 10 lights are not very good.      Come on eekeeboo, you can't honestly believe that, pretty much every super unicum streamer ever has said that the tank is terrible.    Skill4ltu has 3 marked all of the tier 10 lights, and played nearly 200 battles or more in each of them, the Rhm. has his lowest win rate and average XP, it's over 2% lower in win rate than his next lowest (The Sheridan) and almost 4% lower than his overall win rate.    So even a guy with the most 3 marks out of any player in the game can not get it to work at the same level as other tanks.   


The_Georgian_One, on 21 February 2019 - 10:11 AM, said:   I guess being good at what it does for this vehicle means: - dragging everybody's overall win rate down - flipping - missing targets on the move?   Also, if this indeed is high skill floor tank, like batchat, I guess they are equally frequently used in clanwars? Can someone playing this mode confirm please?   Pardon my sarcasm, eekeeboo, it's just my sense of humor, no harm intended.

Subject: Nouveau chasseur de char français de rang V : M10 RFBM
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Subject: Australijski Centurion: Mk. 5/1 RAAC
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xpowolnyx, on 22 February 2019 - 08:00 AM, said: Fotka pojazdu obrócona do góry nogami na głównej stronie....coż….WG ….to stan umysłu....