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Should I grab the Kunze or the K91 + 777?

Дата: 18.10.2021 19:15:37
View PostDraschel, on Oct 18 2021 - 01:56, said:   objec  777 is extremely under rated and does not deserve all the  'Meh'  it gets. It offers mobility like 257, T10, WZ111 at substantially better protection. And while the DPM is low, and the gun handling is subpar - it does feature 340 HEAT unlike kamp pz, kunze, and concept which will allow it to threaten just about every tank it meets most of the time, including 279E and badgers. Its an excellent breakthrough tank, that can arrive at position to side scrape quickly, side scrape there, and then advance while not having the drawbacks of rear mount heavy tanks. Unlike side scrape tanks that have bustle or shoulder weaknesses that flatten out while side scraping, like IS6 or AMXM49 or Type 4 or 215B,  777 shoulders are hard to spot, hard to hit, and stay pretty much a whopping 260mm+ effective.  The tank is really powerful in its element, combining both defensive posturing in side scrape, or also being able to break out easily   K91 is pretty good. It doesn't sport the hull armor like 263 and 268 V 4, but it is fast like them. While it loses the hull armor, it has considerably better gun handling and DPM.  And with the high base TD  spot range, with optics it can assist the team greatly, whereas  263 and 268 struggle in that department. Though very strange the gun is 390 and not 440 alpha.    Kunze is bad. Let me re-iterate, it is bad both in normal drive mode, where it is a bad Type 61 / AMX30 Proto  (tanks not that good to begin with)  or it is bad in sniper mode  being a handicapped leopard PTA. Do yourself a favor and choose one of the others

churchill50:  I'd like to give my two cents in contrast to your post: The Obj 777 II's mobility is noticeably worse than the T-10/WZ-111 1-4. It's still decently mobile, but not on their level.The gun is noticeably worse, as you noted. But it's manageable. It just doesn't do damage quickly, which can hurt you sometimes.The armor is... interesting. If you're sidescraping you're showing multiple weakspots. Depending on your angle the sides of the driver's port and turret ring bulges are weak. The turret face is only ~250-260 effective, so easily pennable by gold. Turret roof is overmatchable by HEAT, and the cupolas are easy shots. There's really not a good way to hide all of those weakspots. You'll always be showing at least some of them. The saving grace here is how rare the Obj 777 II is in battles, so most pubbies have no clue how to pen them. Sort of an IS-4 situation. So the armor can work because of that.Overall, I've had decent success with the Obj 777 II, and I also think it's under-rated. But it does have issues, which I wanted to highlight. The K-91 PT also has issues. In my opinion, it tries to be too many things, and ends up being crap at all of them.The lack of hull armor means it can't play anywhere near as aggressively as the Obj 263 and Obj 268v4. You can go hulldown, but that can be difficult due to the low gun depression and how low the gun is mounted. It's hard to find a rubble pile that will both cover your hull, and be low enough to allow you to shoot over it. Add to that the very limited gun traverse angles, and it can be really awkward. There's also the issue that a majority of tier 9's will be able to pen your superstructure with gold really easily. It also doesn't have the alpha to trade, which can be limiting in brawling situations. So overall it's not a great brawler.But it's also not a great sniper. It does have great DPM. But the limited gun traverse, poor accuracy, and poor shell velocity (unless you're spamming APCR) will hold it back. It also can't afford to spam shots (which would work due to the DPM) since it only carries 30 shells.It can try to run with medium tanks, but with no turret, limited gun traverse, no gun depression, low health, and no hull armor that's not the best proposition.It can definitely work, but it's so situational I have a hard time suggesting it to anyone. For the Kunze... it's definitely the weirdest of them all. But it is quite effective in my experience.Sidenote: I don't understand why you think the AMX 30 is bad? It's a great tank. Mobility, gun depression, pen, DPM, gun handling, the turret gets troll bounces. It has pretty much everything you need. It's not the best tier 9 med, but it's in the upper third I would say.Personally, I suggest running Bounty Improved Aiming Unit, V-Stab, Rammer on the Kunze Panzer. This eliminates the main issue of the tank outside of siege mode (poor accuracy), allowing you to play as a less accurate but higher DPM Leopard PTA. You can then use the siege mode if you need gun depression, or will be shooting at longer ranges.It's not an easy tank to play, but can be quite an enjoyable experience and quite effective if played correctly. My suggestions would be either the Obj 777 II or Kunze Panzer (ignoring the K-91 PT, and just picking it up if you choose the Obj 777 II. I think the K-91 PT should be a non-entity in your choice). Final choice is down to your playstyle and which one you think looks more interesting.

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