Should I grab the Kunze or the K91 + 777?
Дата: 18.10.2021 19:15:37
Draschel, on Oct 18 2021 - 01:56, said: objec 777 is extremely under rated and does not
deserve all the 'Meh' it gets. It offers mobility like
257, T10, WZ111 at substantially better protection. And while the
DPM is low, and the gun handling is subpar - it does feature 340
HEAT unlike kamp pz, kunze, and concept which will allow it to
threaten just about every tank it meets most of the time, including
279E and badgers. Its an excellent breakthrough tank, that can
arrive at position to side scrape quickly, side scrape there, and
then advance while not having the drawbacks of rear mount heavy
tanks. Unlike side scrape tanks that have bustle or shoulder
weaknesses that flatten out while side scraping, like IS6 or AMXM49
or Type 4 or 215B, 777 shoulders are hard to spot, hard to
hit, and stay pretty much a whopping 260mm+ effective. The
tank is really powerful in its element, combining both defensive
posturing in side scrape, or also being able to break out
easily K91 is pretty good. It doesn't sport the hull armor
like 263 and 268 V 4, but it is fast like them. While it loses the
hull armor, it has considerably better gun handling and DPM.
And with the high base TD spot range, with optics it can
assist the team greatly, whereas 263 and 268 struggle in that
department. Though very strange the gun is 390 and not 440
alpha. Kunze is bad. Let me re-iterate, it is bad both
in normal drive mode, where it is a bad Type 61 / AMX30 Proto
(tanks not that good to begin with) or it is bad in sniper
mode being a handicapped leopard PTA. Do yourself a favor and
choose one of the otherschurchill50: I'd like to give my two cents in contrast to your
post: The Obj 777 II's mobility is noticeably worse than the
T-10/WZ-111 1-4. It's still decently mobile, but not on their
level.The gun is noticeably worse, as you noted. But it's
manageable. It just doesn't do damage quickly, which can hurt you
sometimes.The armor is... interesting. If you're sidescraping
you're showing multiple weakspots. Depending on your angle the
sides of the driver's port and turret ring bulges are weak. The
turret face is only ~250-260 effective, so easily pennable by gold.
Turret roof is overmatchable by HEAT, and the cupolas are easy
shots. There's really not a good way to hide all of those
weakspots. You'll always be showing at least some of them. The
saving grace here is how rare the Obj 777 II is in battles, so most
pubbies have no clue how to pen them. Sort of an IS-4 situation. So
the armor can work because of that.Overall, I've had decent success
with the Obj 777 II, and I also think it's under-rated. But it does
have issues, which I wanted to highlight. The K-91 PT also has
issues. In my opinion, it tries to be too many things, and ends up
being crap at all of them.The lack of hull armor means it can't
play anywhere near as aggressively as the Obj 263 and Obj 268v4.
You can go hulldown, but that can be difficult due to the low gun
depression and how low the gun is mounted. It's hard to find a
rubble pile that will both cover your hull, and be low enough to
allow you to shoot over it. Add to that the very limited gun
traverse angles, and it can be really awkward. There's also the
issue that a majority of tier 9's will be able to pen your
superstructure with gold really easily. It also doesn't have the
alpha to trade, which can be limiting in brawling situations. So
overall it's not a great brawler.But it's also not a great sniper.
It does have great DPM. But the limited gun traverse, poor
accuracy, and poor shell velocity (unless you're spamming APCR)
will hold it back. It also can't afford to spam shots (which would
work due to the DPM) since it only carries 30 shells.It can try to
run with medium tanks, but with no turret, limited gun traverse, no
gun depression, low health, and no hull armor that's not the best
proposition.It can definitely work, but it's so situational I have
a hard time suggesting it to anyone. For the Kunze... it's
definitely the weirdest of them all. But it is quite effective in
my experience.Sidenote: I don't understand why you think the AMX 30
is bad? It's a great tank. Mobility, gun depression, pen, DPM, gun
handling, the turret gets troll bounces. It has pretty much
everything you need. It's not the best tier 9 med, but it's in the
upper third I would say.Personally, I suggest running Bounty
Improved Aiming Unit, V-Stab, Rammer on the Kunze Panzer. This
eliminates the main issue of the tank outside of siege mode (poor
accuracy), allowing you to play as a less accurate but higher DPM
Leopard PTA. You can then use the siege mode if you need gun
depression, or will be shooting at longer ranges.It's not an easy
tank to play, but can be quite an enjoyable experience and quite
effective if played correctly. My suggestions would be either
the Obj 777 II or Kunze Panzer (ignoring the K-91 PT, and just
picking it up if you choose the Obj 777 II. I think the K-91 PT
should be a non-entity in your choice). Final choice is down to
your playstyle and which one you think looks more interesting.
Should I grab the Kunze or the K91 + 777?














