Ronsons
Дата: 15.05.2015 02:15:36
The_Warhawk: Hooookay, I'll step in now. Chepicoro, the argument isn't
that Ronson made lighters for the US Army. They quite obviously
did, and no one is arguing that. The argument is that the
slogan "Lights up First time every time" never existed, and based
on everyone's research here, no one has found that slogan being
used ever. The closest approximation was from fifteen years before
the M4 was a thing that even existed. For your average US Army
soldier in 1941 (aged say 18-20) they would have been very young
and for soldiers that enlisted/were drafted later in the war, they
could very well have been even younger. While it's certainly
possible that they could have remembered it, it's also not very
likely. Does this mean that no soldier or tanker ever called
their tank a 'Ronson'? No, but the lack of period sources, and the
actual lack of the slogan attributed to the nickname casts the
'fact' that Sherman tanks were called Ronsons during WW2 into
doubt. There certainly were soldiers who called them Ronson's
post-war, again, no one is arguing that. The question is was it a
nickname during the war. So far, no one has found record of
that being a nickname applied by soldier to the Medium Tank M4
during World War II. Heck, I've personally poured over thousands of
pages of US Army documents specifically relating armor. While I've
found reports complaining that the tank caught fire when it, not
one says anything about "The problem is to the point where my crews
have started calling them 'Ronsons'." Now were fires in
Shermans an issue? Yes, early on they were, Feel free to read
about it here, as our tame Tank Historian (and my boss) weighed in
on the
matter: http://worldoftanks.com/en/news/21/The_Cheiftains_Hatch_Ronsons/
The subsequent forum conversation (which is accessible
through Bob on that article) extensively delves into trying to find
evidence of the 'Ronson' nickname among US Army Tankers. The
verdict is that if it was a nickname, it certainly wasn't common.
(Again we can't really prove that no soldier ever called a Sherman
a Ronson, but that's really beside the point). And that
really, is that.
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