A question for mods and devs.
Дата: 05.02.2011 07:38:47
jnzl02, on 04 February 2011 - 05:42 PM, said: Gameplay Discussion5,473 Topics
Understandably the busiest section of the forum for obvious reasons, but, whats next on the list?
Junkyard
5,093 Topics
Seriously?, i can understand there was some mistakes with the forum split, but 5000 odd topics, really? no other section even comes close.
Im not having a go, but my question is after scanning through this section, 8/10 topics could have just been moved to the correct area, instead of getting outright canned, how is this helping a budding community? most peoples topics are new/first posters, wheres the slack?
What i see, is im playing a beta multiplayer game, that means to me, im not only testing the game, but im also testing how the community may pan out...and also, how the community leaders, devs & moderators treat the average consumer, yes consumer, since ultimately this game is made to turn a profit, the thing that worries me is, i am a veteran of pirates of the burning sea, which started out ALOT like wot, albeit its ships in the carribean, but essentially it was the same, small dev studio, game with endless potential, alot of interest etc, but where the game went wrong, was not the game itself, it was the moderation/administration....it got to the point of being straight out slugging matches between devs and game heavyweights, and i recall very well when a certain aspect of the game was 'fixed' to spite a certain group of players that had legitmate concerns but the dev team were stonewalling beyond belief.
Now with that said, i am not stating that this game is reflective of that in any way, at this stage, what does concern me is the way the forums come across at the moment is if you say something that may have been said else where, or talk about a hot topic (you know the ones) regardless if its your first time ever being on the forums or not, your hit with a lock, robotic response, and or depending on how your csr is feeling, ro or not, i dont get the feeling of players talking with devs at all, now, this may be influenced alot by years of eve online, but for a game in testing, relatively small and just now really starting to be noticed, things are turning whitewash and corporate well before they should, sure theres posts from devs stating known issues and alot of basic information, but theres no real dev to player discussion occuring, anywhere, maybe on the russian forums maybe, but theres none here.
So tell me, what exacltly are YOU, the moderators, the devs, wargaming in general, wanting from your community? is this a beta? i see alot of closed topics refer to 'just voicing opinion'.....isnt that afterall, what we are here to do? 'undesirable' opions are still a view from a playing potential customer on the other end of your game, everyone here signed up for this, we werent shoved a copy and a gun placed against our head, people chose to try your game, and tell you how they feel about it, why is this sighted as a bad thing more and more often?
Remember, the best communities, are the where the player feels interactive and valued
Tanitha: With it being beta, the game constantly changes, and topics become
redundant quickly. A recent example is the server split, which left
a lot of euro topics that needed removing.
I moved 430 Euro or inactive clan recruit threads to the junkyard yesterday, That's accounts for 8.5% of Junkyard just in one transaction.
I moved 1000 Euro or inactive "players looking for a clan" threads last week, That accounts for another 20% of the junkyard.
When major changes are made to the game with patches. All the old topics that become irrelevant now IE discussing previous problems, are removed, and clean threads put up in their place.
The junkyard goes back to February (12 months). But has been heavily used since June/July. This even goes back to a time when there was only a russian beta, before russian release, before the euro beta, then before the USA beta, then before the international beta, then before the server split, etc..
Most of the junkyard section could be deleted. But what would be the advantage in that? Do the old vets that have been here for 12 months, really want 1/2 their posts deleted, just because they are old?
You say 8/10 in junkyard you scanned through. (IE probably page 1)(Ie recent ones from yesterday) Could have been moved to the right section.
Most of the off-topic incorrectly posted threads are moved. Obviously the ones that are moved to the right section, you wont see in junkyard, because they aren't there. Threads that are on repeat topics, in the wrong section, and one liners that no time was taken on the post, and that don't add anything to the community, then yeah they are dumped, and the poster usually PMed what the problem was, so they can learn and not continue with the mistakes.
With your next point, WOT isn't a small dev company on their first game. They have already produced and released games, and last I heard they were running a 150 person dev team. But open beta has seen a large increase in those numbers, im not sure how many they are running with now.
Discussion with devs? There is a dev section in the forums where players can post their impressions, suggestions, and questions. The main thread being here.
http://forum.worldof..._60#entry395241
The main dev liaison to the English is overlord. As you can see the top forum posters based on activity
http://forum.worldof...desc&filter=ALL
Is overlord with 3600+ posts, 3600+ rep.. etc.. So its a bit hard to say dev's aren't communicating with you.
With the top 4, the other three being mods, with another 7500 posts.
What do the moderators want YOU to do? Nothing unusual. The rules are here.
EULA http://forum.worldof...ense-agreement/
TOS http://forum.worldof...rms-of-service/
Forum Rules http://forum.worldof...and-guidelines/
Game Rules http://forum.worldof...nks-game-rules/
Just read the rules, and follow them, and have fun. If not.. Moderators are hired to regulate, enforce and uphold those rules and standards.
If you truly had a concern regarding the junkyard section, or moderators, then you would have, as per the rules, contacted support.
I moved 430 Euro or inactive clan recruit threads to the junkyard yesterday, That's accounts for 8.5% of Junkyard just in one transaction.
I moved 1000 Euro or inactive "players looking for a clan" threads last week, That accounts for another 20% of the junkyard.
When major changes are made to the game with patches. All the old topics that become irrelevant now IE discussing previous problems, are removed, and clean threads put up in their place.
The junkyard goes back to February (12 months). But has been heavily used since June/July. This even goes back to a time when there was only a russian beta, before russian release, before the euro beta, then before the USA beta, then before the international beta, then before the server split, etc..
Most of the junkyard section could be deleted. But what would be the advantage in that? Do the old vets that have been here for 12 months, really want 1/2 their posts deleted, just because they are old?
You say 8/10 in junkyard you scanned through. (IE probably page 1)(Ie recent ones from yesterday) Could have been moved to the right section.
Most of the off-topic incorrectly posted threads are moved. Obviously the ones that are moved to the right section, you wont see in junkyard, because they aren't there. Threads that are on repeat topics, in the wrong section, and one liners that no time was taken on the post, and that don't add anything to the community, then yeah they are dumped, and the poster usually PMed what the problem was, so they can learn and not continue with the mistakes.
With your next point, WOT isn't a small dev company on their first game. They have already produced and released games, and last I heard they were running a 150 person dev team. But open beta has seen a large increase in those numbers, im not sure how many they are running with now.
Discussion with devs? There is a dev section in the forums where players can post their impressions, suggestions, and questions. The main thread being here.
http://forum.worldof..._60#entry395241
The main dev liaison to the English is overlord. As you can see the top forum posters based on activity
http://forum.worldof...desc&filter=ALL
Is overlord with 3600+ posts, 3600+ rep.. etc.. So its a bit hard to say dev's aren't communicating with you.
With the top 4, the other three being mods, with another 7500 posts.
What do the moderators want YOU to do? Nothing unusual. The rules are here.
EULA http://forum.worldof...ense-agreement/
TOS http://forum.worldof...rms-of-service/
Forum Rules http://forum.worldof...and-guidelines/
Game Rules http://forum.worldof...nks-game-rules/
Just read the rules, and follow them, and have fun. If not.. Moderators are hired to regulate, enforce and uphold those rules and standards.
If you truly had a concern regarding the junkyard section, or moderators, then you would have, as per the rules, contacted support.
Quote Any measures taken by moderators can be appealed to support via the website (http://support.worldoftanks.com) or by sending an email to support@worldoftanks.com, in accordance with the established procedure.
Tanitha: The reason you probably instead decided to post publicly, with a
lot of added flare and drama. Was to create unrest within the
forums, which is against the forum rules.
Quote 2.7 Discussing disciplinary actions
This category includes:
1. Creating posts or threads to discuss disciplinary actions taken against a player in game or on the forums
2. Creating posts or threads to discuss moderators or moderator decisions and actions
If a member is found to have participated in such actions, he/she will:
• Be given a temporary ban from the World of Tanks forums, depending upon severity
Tanitha: For which case, 7 days RO is appropriate and has been issued.
Thread closed.
Thread closed.
Quote 2.4 Off Topic, spamming and trolling
This category includes:
• Creating threads for the sole purpose of causing unrest on the forums
Tanitha:
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