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Why do Some Argue Against Skill Based MM?

Дата: 30.05.2021 18:57:51
View PostDeath_on_2_Treads, on May 30 2021 - 13:46, said: Except this isn't in individual game. Its a team game, and your example doesn't address the teams. Your example shows an OUTCOME. No one wants and outcome, they want a fair start. They all want the same 100M race.  We are all playing the same matched tanks, or the same matched tiers, on the same map. The distance isn't any different.    So lets take your running analogy, the distance isn't the factor, the skill is the factor.    If you have to relay teams of people, and in Example 1 and you put: Team #1 - Carl Lewis, Usain Bolt, Jesse Owens, and Michael Johnson on one team, Team #2 - four high school runners (these 4 runners are equal to each other, but not of the same caliber as group 1)    Then welcome to random, because this match can and does happen. Sure, it is extreme example and yes, every once in a while Carl Lewis falls down rounding a turn and the high school teams wins, but, that is rare.   In Example 2, SBMM, you would have: #1 - Carl Lewis ,  Usain Bolt,   and two high school runners  #2 - Jesse Owens, Michael Johnson and two high school runners    Now the race is fairly equal at the start, not perfect, but  closer to being decided by who runs best that day, not by lopsided skill distribution.   Example 1 is the match that should be eliminated from ever occurring.    

DeviouslyCursed:   First off, I guess you've never been to a track meet where TEAMS compete against each other for points based on placing 1st, 2nd, 3rd. But ignoring that, your example doesn't work either. The high school runners are like tier 5's, the Olympic Champions are tier 10's. Your example is like all tier 5's facing all tier 10's. Which does NOT happen in Random MM. In fact, your solution is to have two tier 5's and two tier 10's per team, which is just as stupid and current Random MM won't allow that. So your example doesn't even happen in Random MM. SBMM is everyone getting to the Olympics, and then dividing the teams up based on run times regardless of which country they are from, so that all teams have the same chance of winning.    

View PostSiege_Engine, on May 30 2021 - 14:03, said:     ^^^ This.  How can this point possibly be made any simpler?  It's simple common sense.    The only two arguments I've heard against this, that make any sense, is that i) the blow out races are more interesting and ii) better players benefit more from blow out races.  I don't agree with that being a good thing, even a little bit.  But they're the only two counter-arguments that have made any sense.    It gets down to this:  Do you want to start with a fair race, or don't you?  

DeviouslyCursed:  How can this point possibly be made any simpler?  It's simple common sense.  Do you want to start with a fair race where abilities matter, or don't you?  

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