Sandbox 2021: Try Out the Reworked HE Shells!

DeLawrence, on 08 February 2021 - 03:37 PM, said: [removed]   BACK ON TOPIC: WG, how could you let slip one of your greatest oversights in recent history?!  This is a sandbox server iteration meant to test HE, right? Then why, for heaven's sake haven't you limited all the loadouts to HE only? I have literally been hit by HE 5 times in  5 games...people are so stupid(I'm sorry to call them that, but that's the reality), they're spamming HEATs and APCRs on a server meant to TEST HE. Jesus Christ!   Having played 1 FV 4005 game, 2 Type 5 heavy games(14cm) and 2 STRV 103B games, all full HE ofc and half HESH, half HE for the FV, I can say that I initially find the changes pretty good. The HE damage is consistent. The super heavies have definitely been buffed, armor in general has been buffed against HE. The amounts of damage are quite low, as expected though for non penetrating shots. That in itself isn't an issue, but I'm sorry to say it's going to quickly become one in the context of the state of special ammo and corridor maps.  The mechanics make sense, but that's about it, I can't say for sure if they're healthy or not for the game That's my first impression, I'll play more and form a more informed opinion.


GeneralMarvin, on 09 February 2021 - 11:59 AM, said: Played four games and going to skip this test. Sandbox HE test a waste of every ones time as people are only firing gold premium.


oglop, on 08 February 2021 - 05:19 PM, said: WG want's us to TEST and disables the training room how do you actually want to test anything?   Besides that I like the HE change However I'm unable to provide more feedback without training room.


daveirich, on 08 February 2021 - 04:11 PM, said: First time downloading the sandbox server as a relatively new player looking to give some feedback along trying a few new tanks I don't have. Met with turbo battles with 3 arties and full gold spammers, with 5 or 6 FVs per battle. Can't really offer any reliable feedback with these conditions or how WG can learn anything either. Will try lower tiers yet but can imagine it's KV2s and M44s doing the same.    As others have suggested, training rooms with controlled use of HE in different scenarios would be more useful.     Not enough incentive to stick around, uninstalled. 


Ragnaguard, on 08 February 2021 - 04:25 PM, said: just seen the stream ..... eek avoids to answer any answer questions or gold shells  quiestions (indicated that IF gold needs rework they will do it futher down the line)....   XD this is the problem... they do not recognise the problem.... they have 0 awareness on what annoys playerbase


Misago, on 08 February 2021 - 04:59 PM, said: So what will this do with the EBRs fighting other light tanks? They already did tons of damage by running around spamming HE, so with the ability of HE to go through tracks and skirts, that's gonna become much worse, no?


Trios92, on 08 February 2021 - 05:34 PM, said: I didn't installed the test server yet , but from the video , in short words YOU WILL MAKE TANKS WITH UNPENETRABLE TURRETS OVERPOWERD


egy__, on 08 February 2021 - 05:45 PM, said: Guys please answer me How many credit boosters can we get by the end of the sandbox ? They say we can only collect 90 tokens max? How many credit boosters we can exchange with them ?


FT03, on 08 February 2021 - 06:37 PM, said: What is the difference between sandbox test and common test? 


3MAJ86, on 08 February 2021 - 07:02 PM, said:     Starcraft 2 is balanced around pro players. It is probably the most balanced game there is, and that is why it is so successful for 10+ years! And it is so good, exactly because it is balanced around the top players, not around the bottom ones.    HE rework is long overdue, and this is going in good direction. Players will actually need to aim their shells, not only to do right click - left click combo for guaranteed 400-500 dmg from their favorite 150+mm gun in tier 10.    If I find superior position with my tank, it means that i am playing better than the opponent, and why should I be punished for that? When you meet a hull-down tank in perfect position, find another way to engage him, don't cry for your lack of skills. The another layer of the problem is that, there are some maps with superior hull-down positions that can't be flanked. But this is the issue of map design, not the issue of HE shells. They should go away anyway! HE shells are ok to damage tracks, and external modules, and to one-shot clickers or so. Not to punish players that know to play the game effectively.   I didn't try the sandbox server, but I've read extensively about the change, and I really like it! This is definitely the step in the right direction.   


Sturmi_0545, on 08 February 2021 - 07:12 PM, said: I wish for a sandbox test where they test the following setup:   - same tier MM only, - no gold ammo, - max. 2 arties per side (but mostly 0-1), - completely new nations with full tech trees.  


Luonteri, on 09 February 2021 - 02:37 AM, said:   This current HE problem is not limited to Chieftains. It applies to all kinds of heavy tanks that should be able to use their armour and outplay their opponents with precise shots and good maneuver. A good example would be the obj. 277 - it gets absolutely destroyed by lets say a T110E3 that shoots HE only to the side of the 277 that tries to make himself a hard target but simply can't. The TD can easily deal 400-500 guaranteed damage with each shot. Most of the times both guys have team mates around them so everyone is stuck in a face to face fight behind some corner or other cover. And what do you do then? You start side scraping. Now tell me that spamming HE to the sides and tracks of heavy tanks is not the most stupid and brainless mechanic that requires zero knowledge or skill. And yet it is very rewarding with the current system.