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Jaguarz
I want the Centurion AX. But I shouldn't.
07.02.2022 18:33:06
Subject: I want the Centurion AX. But I shouldn't.
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Jaguarz: I miss the old T10 FV4202 
Draschel
So the AP AMX 30...
07.02.2022 09:32:35
Subject: So the AP AMX 30...
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Draschel: Again, DPM isn't too necessary a trait. But when tanks do not have
focused DPM, like an autoloader, you NEED DPM if that is the
caseFor instance, T77 and Skoda 27 and Lorraine, do not have DPM.
Yet in an instant they can salvo you with autoloader focus fire,
giving them placebo DPM. Tanks like Somua and Progetto
and Skoda 50 on the otherhand, have both autoloader ability AND
sensible DPM too. Is Panther 88 or Caernarvon A X king,
because they have a tonne of DPM? No. But with single
shot tanks, there needs to be plenty of additional perks to keep
them competitive, against autoloader tanks which more and more are
getting higher than usual DPM values. 274A? LIS? Lansen? These
tanks hit not only for 320, but also have good DPM. AP AMX needs a
gun handling fix.
Draschel
So the AP AMX 30...
07.02.2022 06:36:33
Subject: So the AP AMX 30...
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Draschel: But it isn't just DPM. The gun handling sucks. The view range
mediocre. Armor mediocre. is it bad category? No, it is not.
We have tanks like VTU there, or AMXCDC. But AP AMX30 isn't a top
med in the tier. No where near.
Jaguarz
This WZ-114 really make me sick
07.02.2022 04:24:53
Subject: This WZ-114 really make me sick
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Draschel, on Feb 07 2022 - 01:49, said: From what I understand, T55A sits at 4,050 combined for 3
mark req? Char futur is 3,650? Skoda 50 is 3,500, and Kamp pz sits
at a ridiculous 4,550.
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Draschel, on Feb 07 2022 - 01:49, said: From what I understand, T55A sits at 4,050 combined for 3
mark req? Char futur is 3,650? Skoda 50 is 3,500, and Kamp pz sits
at a ridiculous 4,550. Jaguarz: Yeah those are around the figures I had, to be honest the
Chars requirements were higher than I expected as thought those who
just got a free tank from battlepass would have tanked it down
though Im not complaining. I was surprised the T-55a was
significantly higher at 4k, maybe Im the problem and it just doesnt
fit me anymore and yeah, the Kpz requirements are nuts, I can
understand it though, useable turret, decent viewrange, decentish
armour, great depression, super fast high pen apcr base and a good
HEAT round, its literally a tier 10 medium which sees t7s though I
dont actually enjoy playing mine much.
Draschel
This WZ-114 really make me sick
07.02.2022 02:49:29
Subject: This WZ-114 really make me sick
Link on message: #12995565
Jaguarz, on Feb 06 2022 - 23:53, said: Lets see, now of course this is all just in my opinion, like
anything someone else posted is theirs. I recently started
marking some of my tanks, for no real reason other than to give
myself something to do and I have a bunch of t9 rewards so started
there. I love the Char, its a highly capable vulture tank with a
low ammo count being its only drawback (for me), I got an 8 perk
crew in it and the view range to 520 in vision spec, pretty easy 3
mark though it looks like its about the 3rd hardest (t9 med) on NA.
Kunze has been more of a mixed bag with higher peaks and
lower troughs as likely lacks capacity to do a clip dump to
maintain mark when things go sideways. I have a view spec of 510+
and cvs in view spec, capable of taking light position, TD position
and medium position, highly versatile tank. The 55a.... I
thought I would enjoy jumping back into this a lot more than I
have, perhaps from rose tinted glasses syndrome and remembering it
better where it used to be top of the heap and now it isnt, or
maybe I just evolved past whats basically a "standard" medium
design into the more niche models as a point of preference. I found
its 50kph top speed limiting but yes, most importantly the glacial
(for the other med tanks I play they are 3/4ers of the speed)
rounds frustrated me highly, I dont like to gold spam in any tank
and 221 pen is t8 territory so it "feels" low on ammo (I think 42
or 43 rounds) especially when playing mid to long range as cant
thread the needle effectively due to the time the shells arrive.
Its HEAT round is superb and t10 class and its mark requirements
are second only to the Kpz meaning some people are kicking booty in
this thing though Im pretty sure with a solid gold round load out.
I dont find 55a players a threat by and large while Kunze
and Chars have more, how shall we say, annoying options open to
them and depending on map and player can be really annoying to play
against though for the most part they are less effective than 55a
players. I dunno man, maybe Im just jaded on it, I
personally class it as balanced, I think the char, kunze, Kpz, T50,
PTA and standard B have the potential to be more effective than it,
at least in the random pub matches that I play.
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Jaguarz, on Feb 06 2022 - 23:53, said: Lets see, now of course this is all just in my opinion, like
anything someone else posted is theirs. I recently started
marking some of my tanks, for no real reason other than to give
myself something to do and I have a bunch of t9 rewards so started
there. I love the Char, its a highly capable vulture tank with a
low ammo count being its only drawback (for me), I got an 8 perk
crew in it and the view range to 520 in vision spec, pretty easy 3
mark though it looks like its about the 3rd hardest (t9 med) on NA.
Kunze has been more of a mixed bag with higher peaks and
lower troughs as likely lacks capacity to do a clip dump to
maintain mark when things go sideways. I have a view spec of 510+
and cvs in view spec, capable of taking light position, TD position
and medium position, highly versatile tank. The 55a.... I
thought I would enjoy jumping back into this a lot more than I
have, perhaps from rose tinted glasses syndrome and remembering it
better where it used to be top of the heap and now it isnt, or
maybe I just evolved past whats basically a "standard" medium
design into the more niche models as a point of preference. I found
its 50kph top speed limiting but yes, most importantly the glacial
(for the other med tanks I play they are 3/4ers of the speed)
rounds frustrated me highly, I dont like to gold spam in any tank
and 221 pen is t8 territory so it "feels" low on ammo (I think 42
or 43 rounds) especially when playing mid to long range as cant
thread the needle effectively due to the time the shells arrive.
Its HEAT round is superb and t10 class and its mark requirements
are second only to the Kpz meaning some people are kicking booty in
this thing though Im pretty sure with a solid gold round load out.
I dont find 55a players a threat by and large while Kunze
and Chars have more, how shall we say, annoying options open to
them and depending on map and player can be really annoying to play
against though for the most part they are less effective than 55a
players. I dunno man, maybe Im just jaded on it, I
personally class it as balanced, I think the char, kunze, Kpz, T50,
PTA and standard B have the potential to be more effective than it,
at least in the random pub matches that I play. Draschel: Yeah, I play alot of 121. It was my first T X 3 mark.
So T55A velocity, or something like WZ120FG velocity sits really
fine with me.Considering how powerful they've made T3485M, and
140/907 - really surprised they've not given everything to T44100
and T55A, but they certainly have given lots.
If they included
T54 120mm UFP, T54s -6 gun depression, T54s base DPM, maybe
just a tad more AP pen like 274A 227.....theres no telling
just how powerful T55A would be. Because it principally shoots
HEAT, it therefore needs to split ammo into AP/HEAT mixes
because it needs to be able to shoot through fences, or tracks/side
skirts - it can't just spam prem like super conquer or Fochs B. A
little more AP pen would be nice From what I understand,
T55A sits at 4,050 combined for 3 mark req? Char futur is 3,650?
Skoda 50 is 3,500, and Kamp pz sits at a ridiculous 4,550.
Jaguarz
Cannot use gas on my AMX 50 120?
07.02.2022 00:58:34
Subject: Cannot use gas on my AMX 50 120?
Link on message: #12995513
TankFullOfBourbon, on Feb 06 2022 - 22:41, said: OP, as far as I have been able to tell from the Internet is that
Saurer engine is a diesel engine (IRL), so if WG modelled it
similarly that would explain why gas is unavailable.
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TankFullOfBourbon, on Feb 06 2022 - 22:41, said: OP, as far as I have been able to tell from the Internet is that
Saurer engine is a diesel engine (IRL), so if WG modelled it
similarly that would explain why gas is unavailable.Jaguarz: Interesting, I would suggest this is an artifact from when
the historically correct loons ran the joint
Jaguarz
This WZ-114 really make me sick
07.02.2022 00:53:25
Subject: This WZ-114 really make me sick
Link on message: #12995508
Draschel, on Feb 06 2022 - 21:39, said: When T55A was buffed, it was not just 20 pen on the AP. In
fact the AP itself was also boosted 175m/s The tank received 50 HP,
0.1 aim time, incredibly 170 horsepower, incredibly 40/20 turret
armor. This is substantial single iteration buffing. This makes it
better than T54. While T54 has 110 more DPM with 201 pen gun,
the gun was turned into a derp with the aim-time and accuracy to
balance the DPM. Using the 219 pen gun and you remove 350 DPM and
gun depression. May I ask, what is wrong with 1,070m/s
shell velocity? What is so glacial about it? And if HEAT spamming,
you know 895m/s isn't too slow either, considering its the same
basically as 907 and 140? Kran drops to 840. You make it sound like
it is Sheridan or something, with the derp. I am just surprised in
the mega buff, it didn't receive -7 gun dep like 140 and 120 armor
like T54, or it'd be even stronger. It is not better than Kamp pz,
sure. But certainly more of a tank than Kunze and Char futur.
Considering PTA gun handling reductions, the tank is either 2 or
3rd best tier 9 med, depending on how powerful you think Skoda 50
is.
Link on message: #12995508
Draschel, on Feb 06 2022 - 21:39, said: When T55A was buffed, it was not just 20 pen on the AP. In
fact the AP itself was also boosted 175m/s The tank received 50 HP,
0.1 aim time, incredibly 170 horsepower, incredibly 40/20 turret
armor. This is substantial single iteration buffing. This makes it
better than T54. While T54 has 110 more DPM with 201 pen gun,
the gun was turned into a derp with the aim-time and accuracy to
balance the DPM. Using the 219 pen gun and you remove 350 DPM and
gun depression. May I ask, what is wrong with 1,070m/s
shell velocity? What is so glacial about it? And if HEAT spamming,
you know 895m/s isn't too slow either, considering its the same
basically as 907 and 140? Kran drops to 840. You make it sound like
it is Sheridan or something, with the derp. I am just surprised in
the mega buff, it didn't receive -7 gun dep like 140 and 120 armor
like T54, or it'd be even stronger. It is not better than Kamp pz,
sure. But certainly more of a tank than Kunze and Char futur.
Considering PTA gun handling reductions, the tank is either 2 or
3rd best tier 9 med, depending on how powerful you think Skoda 50
is. Jaguarz: Lets see, now of course this is all just in my opinion,
like anything someone else posted is theirs. I recently
started marking some of my tanks, for no real reason other than to
give myself something to do and I have a bunch of t9 rewards so
started there. I love the Char, its a highly capable vulture tank
with a low ammo count being its only drawback (for me), I got an 8
perk crew in it and the view range to 520 in vision spec, pretty
easy 3 mark though it looks like its about the 3rd hardest (t9 med)
on NA. Kunze has been more of a mixed bag with higher peaks
and lower troughs as likely lacks capacity to do a clip dump to
maintain mark when things go sideways. I have a view spec of 510+
and cvs in view spec, capable of taking light position, TD position
and medium position, highly versatile tank. The 55a.... I
thought I would enjoy jumping back into this a lot more than I
have, perhaps from rose tinted glasses syndrome and remembering it
better where it used to be top of the heap and now it isnt, or
maybe I just evolved past whats basically a "standard" medium
design into the more niche models as a point of preference. I found
its 50kph top speed limiting but yes, most importantly the glacial
(for the other med tanks I play they are 3/4ers of the speed)
rounds frustrated me highly, I dont like to gold spam in any tank
and 221 pen is t8 territory so it "feels" low on ammo (I think 42
or 43 rounds) especially when playing mid to long range as cant
thread the needle effectively due to the time the shells arrive.
Its HEAT round is superb and t10 class and its mark requirements
are second only to the Kpz meaning some people are kicking booty in
this thing though Im pretty sure with a solid gold round load
out. I dont find 55a players a threat by and large while Kunze
and Chars have more, how shall we say, annoying options open to
them and depending on map and player can be really annoying to play
against though for the most part they are less effective than 55a
players. I dunno man, maybe Im just jaded on it, I personally
class it as balanced, I think the char, kunze, Kpz, T50, PTA and
standard B have the potential to be more effective than it, at
least in the random pub matches that I play.
Jaguarz
The words of a 44% Player who positioned his teams sole light on the redline...
06.02.2022 23:36:48
Subject: The words of a 44% Player who positioned his teams sole light on the redline...
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TheRealSerapth, on Feb 06 2022 - 19:00, said: The number one recommendation I can give to anyone here...
If you win more than you lose, aka 50%+, and someone wants to tell
you how to play your tank, tell them to shove that advice up their
glory hole.
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TheRealSerapth, on Feb 06 2022 - 19:00, said: The number one recommendation I can give to anyone here...
If you win more than you lose, aka 50%+, and someone wants to tell
you how to play your tank, tell them to shove that advice up their
glory hole. Jaguarz: I would suggest this is wrong, sub 60% win rates are the ones
learning and progressing and are the ones who will benefit most
from actual advice (aka not the rantings of a 45%er), I would
suggest I am better than most players but I have plenty to learn be
it an approach, a location or strategy. If actual advice which
means something is forthcoming and I havent considered it myself
during deconstruction then I will happily listen.
Draschel
Cannot use gas on my AMX 50 120?
06.02.2022 23:30:25
Subject: Cannot use gas on my AMX 50 120?
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Molethan, on Feb 06 2022 - 22:17, said: Not really relevant tbh, I've been playing the game for a decade
now and I want to use gas. The 50 120 is extremely off meta right
now so I dont really care about min maxing my setup.
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Molethan, on Feb 06 2022 - 22:17, said: Not really relevant tbh, I've been playing the game for a decade
now and I want to use gas. The 50 120 is extremely off meta right
now so I dont really care about min maxing my setup.Draschel: No problem. Send in a support ticket as a query?But if you
are searching a 3-mark, performance is relevant? Rations boosts
mobility too, certainly not to level of octane gas, but what it
does for gun handling, DPM, VR helps. Since you do care of
mobility, the turbo in mobility unlocked slot will help a great
deal more than just octane gas being used.
Draschel
So the AP AMX 30...
06.02.2022 23:20:58
Subject: So the AP AMX 30...
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Avalon304, on Feb 06 2022 - 12:03, said: I think Taugrim went to New World for a bit... (which may
not have been the best of calls...) and last I saw he was looking
for a good PVP focused MMO, but I dont know if he ever found
it. Played with him a bunch in WoT though, super chill guy. Seen
him online a couple times recently, dunno if that means anything or
not.
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Avalon304, on Feb 06 2022 - 12:03, said: I think Taugrim went to New World for a bit... (which may
not have been the best of calls...) and last I saw he was looking
for a good PVP focused MMO, but I dont know if he ever found
it. Played with him a bunch in WoT though, super chill guy. Seen
him online a couple times recently, dunno if that means anything or
not.Draschel: i wonder why he doesn't release anymore thai kickboxing spar
videos. I watch those too. Go in for some Tanks content, watch some
Muay Thai!
Draschel
Cannot use gas on my AMX 50 120?
06.02.2022 23:05:17
Subject: Cannot use gas on my AMX 50 120?
Link on message: #12995448
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Draschel: Pardon me, but small question, why octane gas? Use rationsYour
speed should be coming from turbocharger in mobility slot.
Draschel
This WZ-114 really make me sick
06.02.2022 22:43:06
Subject: This WZ-114 really make me sick
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2Fantastic, on Feb 06 2022 - 11:37, said: Emil 1951 is a balanced version of a kran at tier 8. To
bounce shots you have to at least angle armor. Tanks that allow you
to shut off your brain and peak jagtigers with no regard are
not rewarding for anyone. draschel you keep on thinking fun
= being op. It doesn’t, most people want a tank that challenges
them. Wg can produce as much op or up garbage as they want. It
doesn’t make it novel or even interesting. What is interesting is
balance.
Kefic, on Feb 06 2022 - 06:44, said: Have you played it, or is this going to be another "on tanks.gg, it looks bad" discussion?
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2Fantastic, on Feb 06 2022 - 11:37, said: Emil 1951 is a balanced version of a kran at tier 8. To
bounce shots you have to at least angle armor. Tanks that allow you
to shut off your brain and peak jagtigers with no regard are
not rewarding for anyone. draschel you keep on thinking fun
= being op. It doesn’t, most people want a tank that challenges
them. Wg can produce as much op or up garbage as they want. It
doesn’t make it novel or even interesting. What is interesting is
balance.Draschel: Emil 1951 is not a Kran in tier 8. It can try to be, but it
will fail at it. There are a couple important changes.
Kefic, on Feb 06 2022 - 06:44, said: Have you played it, or is this going to be another "on tanks.gg, it looks bad" discussion?
Draschel: I earned my through the first FL years ago, lol. For
free. I don't play tanks with self propelled gun dispersion
stats and aim-time. You sound like Warp103,
lol Emil sucks. Have you ever been in a stronghold or FL? You
never see these things. Its not a Kran.
Draschel
This WZ-114 really make me sick
06.02.2022 22:39:53
Subject: This WZ-114 really make me sick
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Jaguarz, on Feb 06 2022 - 18:29, said: Lets see, Phase and Concept are very strong but the 55a? I
used to love that tank, as in back when it was a slight variation
on the strongest t9 medium, now though its playable but its been
hard put in check by time. its accuracy counts for less than you
imagine because she shell velocity for all rounds is completely
glacial so unless a target is staying dead still you dont get its
benefit in mid to long range combat and its not strong enough to
brawl. If anything you should have used the 55a as a balance point
against things like Kpz, Kunze and Char, all with super fast
rounds, very strong and dont require any real effort to obtain.
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Jaguarz, on Feb 06 2022 - 18:29, said: Lets see, Phase and Concept are very strong but the 55a? I
used to love that tank, as in back when it was a slight variation
on the strongest t9 medium, now though its playable but its been
hard put in check by time. its accuracy counts for less than you
imagine because she shell velocity for all rounds is completely
glacial so unless a target is staying dead still you dont get its
benefit in mid to long range combat and its not strong enough to
brawl. If anything you should have used the 55a as a balance point
against things like Kpz, Kunze and Char, all with super fast
rounds, very strong and dont require any real effort to obtain.Draschel: When T55A was buffed, it was not just 20 pen on the AP. In
fact the AP itself was also boosted 175m/sThe tank received 50 HP,
0.1 aim time, incredibly 170 horsepower, incredibly 40/20 turret
armor. This is substantial single iteration buffing. This makes it
better than T54. While T54 has 110 more DPM with 201 pen gun,
the gun was turned into a derp with the aim-time and accuracy to
balance the DPM. Using the 219 pen gun and you remove 350 DPM and
gun depression. May I ask, what is wrong with 1,070m/s
shell velocity? What is so glacial about it? And if HEAT spamming,
you know 895m/s isn't too slow either, considering its the same
basically as 907 and 140? Kran drops to 840. You make it sound like
it is Sheridan or something, with the derp. I am just surprised in
the mega buff, it didn't receive -7 gun dep like 140 and 120 armor
like T54, or it'd be even stronger. It is not better than Kamp pz,
sure. But certainly more of a tank than Kunze and Char futur.
Considering PTA gun handling reductions, the tank is either 2 or
3rd best tier 9 med, depending on how powerful you think Skoda 50
is.
Jaguarz
This WZ-114 really make me sick
06.02.2022 19:29:23
Subject: This WZ-114 really make me sick
Link on message: #12995276
Draschel, on Feb 06 2022 - 01:53, said: I agree, the gun handling despite fully aimed accuracy, is
bad. But we need serious hard balancing on tier 9 premiums to keep
them in check. When T9 premiums become things like Phase, Concept,
Kamp pz, T55A - we are in for some serious problems.
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Draschel, on Feb 06 2022 - 01:53, said: I agree, the gun handling despite fully aimed accuracy, is
bad. But we need serious hard balancing on tier 9 premiums to keep
them in check. When T9 premiums become things like Phase, Concept,
Kamp pz, T55A - we are in for some serious problems. Jaguarz: Lets see, Phase and Concept are very strong but the 55a? I
used to love that tank, as in back when it was a slight variation
on the strongest t9 medium, now though its playable but its been
hard put in check by time. its accuracy counts for less than you
imagine because she shell velocity for all rounds is completely
glacial so unless a target is staying dead still you dont get its
benefit in mid to long range combat and its not strong enough to
brawl. If anything you should have used the 55a as a balance point
against things like Kpz, Kunze and Char, all with super fast
rounds, very strong and dont require any real effort to obtain.
Jaguarz
The words of a 44% Player who positioned his teams sole light on the redline...
06.02.2022 19:21:53
Subject: The words of a 44% Player who positioned his teams sole light on the redline...
Link on message: #12995272
spud_tuber, on Feb 06 2022 - 17:50, said: Steppes isn't exactly a scouting map. Sure, a scout can sometimes
work the middle early, especially from south, or if fast enough(aka
wheelie fast) maybe make a run on one of the flanks before falling
back. Most of the early fighting involves mid to face brawl range
fighting on the edges, however.
Now, depending how things go, sometimes eyes to help dig out campers after a flank is won can be useful, especially from the north, but generally speaking a high VR med can do the job just as well as an LT, because there is limited ways to approach using concealment rather than cover, anyway.
Link on message: #12995272
spud_tuber, on Feb 06 2022 - 17:50, said: Steppes isn't exactly a scouting map. Sure, a scout can sometimes
work the middle early, especially from south, or if fast enough(aka
wheelie fast) maybe make a run on one of the flanks before falling
back. Most of the early fighting involves mid to face brawl range
fighting on the edges, however.Now, depending how things go, sometimes eyes to help dig out campers after a flank is won can be useful, especially from the north, but generally speaking a high VR med can do the job just as well as an LT, because there is limited ways to approach using concealment rather than cover, anyway.
Jaguarz: Say what? A light tank controls almost the entity of the map,
you know, that big part called the center and is also a game
changer late on.
1LT_Dwayne
so mm is fine - yea right
06.02.2022 15:47:04
Subject: so mm is fine - yea right
Link on message: #12995167
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1LT_Dwayne: Whatever they did with their mm their is too much variation when in
battle. If you take all the factors that can make someone win vs
make them lose, the different is huge. I would keep the +-25% for
damage but lower the pen rng to +-10%. I'll would also reduce the
dispersion value of every tank so they have all better accuracy and
also reduce aiming time. wthis aiming time anyway? Now this would
probably lower credit expense so you increase ammo cost.
Draschel
So the AP AMX 30...
06.02.2022 11:27:20
Subject: So the AP AMX 30...
Link on message: #12995135
Wings_That_Work, on Feb 06 2022 - 07:55, said: You really need to watch that video. I know I was hull down
in the extreme, and didn't give a rats behind to anyone or anything
that was shooting at me.
Link on message: #12995135
Wings_That_Work, on Feb 06 2022 - 07:55, said: You really need to watch that video. I know I was hull down
in the extreme, and didn't give a rats behind to anyone or anything
that was shooting at me. Draschel: lets analyze this.First of all, this is a tier 8 game. Thats
pretty average a game for a gun depression map. You need to score
your pts when you get these opportunities. Look at that
loathsome gun handling. Like compare this thing to T1LPC,
RAAC, progetto. It just shoots all over the place, and the bloom.
YikesIf that ISU was untouched by your allies, you would have sat
there all game trying to shoot him. Confronting the Guard, Rofl.
This thing. This tank seriously reminds me of a Mutz, a
2021 mutz. That trades gun handling, VR, DPM, camo for ->
alpha and better armor. Your blocked damage, impressive.
But whats more impressive, in the big fight J2 you were shot at 7
times. 4 misses into the dirt, 3 blocked. The position was your
friend here, not just armor. You were simply hard to even hit. Like
a Type 64 just exposing the top to fire. Another big issue is, this
is a corridor ridge fight. Not all ridge fights can have your foes
directly in 45 degree span of you, facing forward. Maps like cliff,
redshire, westfield. The armor can't just be in one place, your
gun. Thats a major reason of Chieftains popularity over Kran, the
turret doesn't turn to cheese as soon as angle of 30
happens. When you confronted the TD, .....DPM shows its
ugly face. 2012 DPM. Yeah....for an non autoloader tank, that
doesn't cut it. Not unless you hit like Chimera T-34-3
Revalorise.
Draschel
This WZ-114 really make me sick
06.02.2022 11:04:52
Subject: This WZ-114 really make me sick
Link on message: #12995134
Kefic, on Feb 06 2022 - 08:02, said: The Emil 1951 is an excellent tank.
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Kefic, on Feb 06 2022 - 08:02, said: The Emil 1951 is an excellent tank.Draschel: can you explain as to why?all it has is speed like T77, and
12 gun depression bad DPM, bad gun handling, bad pen, bad VR,
bad rotation, bad HP, mediocre armor. what does it do exactly.
Emil 1 and 1951, aren't Kran and Emil II. They are significantly
lesser
Draschel
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06.02.2022 09:21:48
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TheRealSerapth, on Feb 06 2022 - 06:28, said: Who are you talking to? If you're talking to me, all I'm
saying is 2k damage at tier 8 is nowhere close to an average or
benchmark, it's a damned good performances by a damned good
player... a target many miss including several purples,
nothing more. I totally think hitting 2k dpg is a heck
of a goal, in fact recently I've mostly done exactly that... But
it's not a reasonable benchmark. A 2k dpg match i(average
over time, not one off) n a tier 8 medium is beyond the
capabilities of 95% of the user base. Now if we're talking
about 2k damage in a match being a reasonable target... Sure.
But having a game at 2k+ is trivial compared to averaging 2k.
It's like how acing a tank is trivial compared to 3 marking a tank,
especially in modern WoT where 15 to 0 stomps are so common.
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TheRealSerapth, on Feb 06 2022 - 06:28, said: Who are you talking to? If you're talking to me, all I'm
saying is 2k damage at tier 8 is nowhere close to an average or
benchmark, it's a damned good performances by a damned good
player... a target many miss including several purples,
nothing more. I totally think hitting 2k dpg is a heck
of a goal, in fact recently I've mostly done exactly that... But
it's not a reasonable benchmark. A 2k dpg match i(average
over time, not one off) n a tier 8 medium is beyond the
capabilities of 95% of the user base. Now if we're talking
about 2k damage in a match being a reasonable target... Sure.
But having a game at 2k+ is trivial compared to averaging 2k.
It's like how acing a tank is trivial compared to 3 marking a tank,
especially in modern WoT where 15 to 0 stomps are so common.Draschel: Thats 2,500 and 800 assisted. Enough for 3 marks on most
except maybe not the insano chimera or charlie But........i
am not a damn good player. I want to purchase AMX30B, so
I may start M4 Revalori. But it will cost me 24 million pretty
much. Hopefully frontlines comes sooner and lasts longer, rather
than later and shorter.I'd expect ~2,200. ~700 spotting.
turbo,optics,rammer scout slot for field maps. Rotation
mech,vents,rammer in city maps. Revalorise has certainly become
very long in the tooth now, but remains my favorite T8 premium
medium. While I don't have AMBT to change my mind, I think 122TM is
real Meh and I'd never try to 3-mark that thing. I learned how
to play high tiers in vehicles such as IS5, IS6, 112, WZ111. Close
ranges, trades and/or peeks for 390 is my way, then gtfo for 10sec.
Everyone learns their own way.
Draschel
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06.02.2022 08:04:36
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carbonsu, on Feb 06 2022 - 06:51, said: I don't understand why there always has someone say something like
this. What you guys mean is the companies have the right to make
trash products and no one can complain about this?
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carbonsu, on Feb 06 2022 - 06:51, said: I don't understand why there always has someone say something like
this. What you guys mean is the companies have the right to make
trash products and no one can complain about this?Draschel: What did you think of Strv K?What are T95E2, 59 Patton, AMX CDC,
T92 Lt, FV4202, T25 pilot, M48A Rhpz, Mutz, old kreslavsky,
Brecher, Emil 1951, Jagdtiger 88, Kanonen, Turtle, T103.....if not
trash products.I am confused, do you feel and are you seriously
wronged here, but only just feel it now?
Bewildering. People have been complaining about AMXCDC
for how many years? and their solution was minor aim-time and
dispersion, instead of a complete overhaul like Kreslavsky. did
that make you laugh?
Draschel
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06.02.2022 07:48:33
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Draschel: I think they will buff it in 8 months. Same goes for Strv K. We
just need to wait. Sort of like how they have been buffing T34
heavy over 8 years? Remember that POS T34 heavy? Do you
believe that piece of scrap junk used to have 0.32/0.32 movement
and traverse dispersion? 3.5 aim-time? 12HP/T? 360 VR and 18 turret
traverse? It was a horrific tank destroyer, with SPG stats, on a
heavy body without hull armor.Well guess what its now 0.25/0.25 and
3.2. Its since got 380 VR and 14 HP/T, and 24 turret rotation. And
yes, while still bad for heavy tanks compared to Skoda 56 or
Renegade or 53TP, we can both clearly agree that T34 heavy has come
a long long long way in improving. Same with the Lowe
tank. I suspect the first order would be improving its
HP/T and top speed, and dispersion stats. I'd see a buff like 900
horsepower, 40 speed like 110, 0.25/0.25/0.25 dispersions
being a good start.
Draschel
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06.02.2022 07:38:01
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Avalon304, on Feb 06 2022 - 02:26, said: Its really sad that players cant accept actually balanced
tanks anymore... its like everyone has forgotten that this is what
balanced tanks actually looked like.
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Avalon304, on Feb 06 2022 - 02:26, said: Its really sad that players cant accept actually balanced
tanks anymore... its like everyone has forgotten that this is what
balanced tanks actually looked like.Draschel: I have to agree with this. Tanks shouldn't be great or
trash. There needs to be a middle ground. People really need
to wisen up to this. It isn't sustainable. Tier 6 shouldn't be
Type 64, Cromwell/(B) T3485M or APCR spam A43......or trashTier 8
shouldn't be LT432, EBR75, renegade, Skoda 56, progetto, bouratt,
LIS, skorp G, SI130PM, TS5......or trash. Tier 9 shouldn't be
Concept 1, Phase 1, E75, T55A, Kamp pz, PTA, Skoda 50, 704.... or
trash. Actually ALL tiers shouldn't be like it. Its a
terrible model. Strv K and 114 are balanced tanks.
Draschel
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06.02.2022 07:31:31
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carbonsu, on Feb 06 2022 - 02:18, said: The reason is the WZ-114 is slow, tanks like 113 and 125b can keep
turning their hull right and left to let the enemies hard to aim,
but WZ-114 can't do this. Also, 113 and 125b have quite decent DPM
and gun handing in tier 10 heavies, WZ-114 also don't have this.
For the crew, I have already trained them to 3.5 skills. And
I'm using 3 Bounty equipment + Directives + Food on this tank. But
I still feel it's terrible.
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carbonsu, on Feb 06 2022 - 02:18, said: The reason is the WZ-114 is slow, tanks like 113 and 125b can keep
turning their hull right and left to let the enemies hard to aim,
but WZ-114 can't do this. Also, 113 and 125b have quite decent DPM
and gun handing in tier 10 heavies, WZ-114 also don't have this.
For the crew, I have already trained them to 3.5 skills. And
I'm using 3 Bounty equipment + Directives + Food on this tank. But
I still feel it's terrible. Draschel: 114 is faster though, than E75, STI, VK4502(P)BAnd those
tanks are faster, than Mauschen and Type 4. So you see, its a
gimmick placement. Sort of a fast superheavy, like a
wannabe AMX51 without DPM but more pen. Put it like this,
WZ113FG is an armored TD. Is it like 110E3? Certainly
not, but has more than 268. Thats its slide-in gimmickWhat they did
was make 114 a type of intermediate tank like this, where it isn't
superheavy say like E75, but has more mobility than it. And more
armor than something like M103 or conquer, but in turn
slower The firepower is the most puzzling part. 0.33/0.33/0.33
and the aim-time, very unusual, very hard to explain. I think they
just took a mix of T34 heavy, 122TM, put on a chassis like ST-I,
and removed side armor, and released it. I think its a Meh
tank. Not much different than Strv K. Meh
Draschel
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06.02.2022 07:16:08
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Draschel: Board games. People play monopoly to spend quality family
time?People play monopoly because the board game owner has
sentiments for it? Is a collector?People play monopoly as per
parents request, in a way to avoid electronics hogging youth's
entertainment?People play monopoly because they go to McDonalds and
collect monopoly stickers? Win Free stuff that way?People play
monopoly, because there isn't anything better to do when
electricity is blacked out?People play monopoly to win and show
their dominance? Again, a tonne of
reasons. You have some real weird, messed up view of
reality. This isn't the Stanley Cup, where there is only 1
goal.
Draschel
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06.02.2022 07:10:55
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Wings_That_Work, on Feb 06 2022 - 05:58, said: The default point of each match is to win.
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Wings_That_Work, on Feb 06 2022 - 05:58, said: The default point of each match is to win.Draschel: No it isn't.The default purpose of a game is held subjective
to the user, deploying. There is no deviation. Deviation, is
when a person deviates from their onset purpose. And inherit
purpose, as to why someone does whatever, is because they want
to? Homeslice, this isn't the stanley cup. This is world of
tanks. And yes, there are some who think they are in the race for
the cup, in the way they play. and that is fine, but not all are
held accountable to be just like that. But EVERYONE in the stanley
cup race, wants to drink from the cup. You see the
difference?
Draschel
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06.02.2022 06:55:03
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Zombie_Snuggles, on Feb 06 2022 - 05:30, said: and I used to watch Taugrim.
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Zombie_Snuggles, on Feb 06 2022 - 05:30, said: and I used to watch Taugrim.Draschel: I can raise a shot-glass and drink to that.For his return. He
I guess has better things to do nowadays. But I do have
to say, last weekend ran into Lemmingrush. Up to his usual antics,
didn't seem to lose a single step. Sneaky as F. Hope he is here
again to stay.
Draschel
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06.02.2022 06:51:51
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Draschel: Again, I'm not trolling a single person here. Its a
debate. You obviously aren't bad, and I've never said anyone
here is. No illusion to it. But seems a pretty simple averaging
out. Think of the many greens, that will likely scrounge 1500? And
great guys, 2500. Average is what? What I am saying though, is
drop the toxic attitude of damage farmer = contemptuous sneer. And
I am not talking about a T67 on SA, shooting bots. I am talking
about the stereotype of damage farm, a Strv, E25 or charioteer,
Leopard 1 or object 416 sitting in the back 500m away, farming
damage and then their team loses - and people EXPLODE that the loss
was his/her fault. Most of the time, certainly the loss was NOT his
fault, and if they do so consistently their win rate will mimic
their damage. If damage farm was easy, everyone would do it. Does
everyone do it? And again, if we are going to
contemplate on what a more or less capable tanker will do in a
MODERN SETUP tier 8 med, not from freaking 2012, but now. Look at
Daki, iyouxin, orzanel, or Skill4ltu will do now, or justhacks / OP
Hacker if you are into NA, what they'll put together in MODERNIZED
tanks released not 1 billion years ago like suka pershing, Panther
II, T44, Pershing. But the new, like Udes, CS53, Progetto
CS55. Lets make a deal, the next tier 8 tech tree med thats
released, I bet you most capable streamers do
2k+. Sitting on a base and capping IS EASY THOUGH.
EVERYONE CAN DO IT. You need only 1 tutorial there, then you
remember it forever.
Draschel
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06.02.2022 06:24:38
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TheRealSerapth, on Feb 06 2022 - 05:05, said: Oh sure asperations are lovely and all. But in reality
the Vast majority of players, including you, cannot average 2k dpg
in mediums. So as a benchmark, it's idiotic.
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TheRealSerapth, on Feb 06 2022 - 05:05, said: Oh sure asperations are lovely and all. But in reality
the Vast majority of players, including you, cannot average 2k dpg
in mediums. So as a benchmark, it's idiotic. Draschel: Again, I am per se no T8 med specialist. But I do have 2
under my belt, and they are considerably bad meds. And obtaining
2,100 wasn't too difficult. The 3 marks were under 200 battles, and
700 + 650 were the respective assistance. The crews weren't
anything special, working on the 3rd skill. Used old obsolete
pre-2.0 ventilation/rammer/optics setups. If I started playing
my tier 8 premium mediums outside of strongholds or FL for stats,
they'd be with new post 2.0 equipment sets and not until field mod
are done. They'd have minimum 4 complete skills, or wouldn't bother
till I pay for the crew books for them. BIA, core skills,
firefighting, camo, and working on repair the 5th, to which 60% the
5th skill only costs 4million when you are done the 4th, simple.
Rations mandatory, to which before and in FL/SH I just use auto
ext. Keep in mind APCR standard ammo. AP only used if HEAT is
secondary, to which you need important overmatches or bypass side
screens. AP on tanks like Lansen or RAAC, only for firing into the
air at the beginning of the game when other players raise their
gun. I'd be TRULY ashamed of myself, if I couldn't manage 2k
+500 spot, in things like prog36, RAAC, T54 Mod, Lansen, T1LPC, or
playing FCM50 as a med. I think the big trouble ones would be
FV4202 and AMXCDC. Those would be hard sauce to get 2k damage, and
I'd really have to put my mind to it.
Draschel
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06.02.2022 06:09:52
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Wings_That_Work, on Feb 06 2022 - 04:50, said: I did not say damage does not = good, I said it wasn't the
ultimate thing to look at. You then prove me right by saying
if damage is contributing to a win, you will win more. Which is my
point. To win. Which therefore makes Win Rate the more important
stat, and the one that takes all things into consideration.
Some people have problems with this, because it only comes out over
a large number of battles. It is extremely difficult, if not
impossible, to quantify contributions that don't relate to a
specific statistic. So instead, some people focus on something that
is more direct. Like damage. But that is, and always will be, only
part of the picture. There is only one statistic that takes
all things you do that contribute to a win, and that is Win Rate.
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Wings_That_Work, on Feb 06 2022 - 04:50, said: I did not say damage does not = good, I said it wasn't the
ultimate thing to look at. You then prove me right by saying
if damage is contributing to a win, you will win more. Which is my
point. To win. Which therefore makes Win Rate the more important
stat, and the one that takes all things into consideration.
Some people have problems with this, because it only comes out over
a large number of battles. It is extremely difficult, if not
impossible, to quantify contributions that don't relate to a
specific statistic. So instead, some people focus on something that
is more direct. Like damage. But that is, and always will be, only
part of the picture. There is only one statistic that takes
all things you do that contribute to a win, and that is Win Rate.
Draschel: When you say the point is to win, who are you speaking of?
You? Me? Him? Her?And when you say damage does not mean everything,
and meme ''no damage = get gud'' when did I say its damage dealing
that only matters? Some people play, because its their
checkers? EntertainmentSome people are historians, and like WOT
portrayal of tanks?Some people play to obtain garage ace badgesSome
people play to 3 mark vehicles.Some people play to acquire 10 crew
skills?Some people play to win gold in tournamentsSome people play
for clan wars rewards Some people play for botting their
battlesSome people play to win their battles.Some people play for
money, being paid to play. Man oh man, there are COUNTLESS
reasons to play this game. Why are you focused on one?Why are
you presumptuous to decide, which someone does on his own accord
should be what you play for, by default?While I may be
pretentious, to suggest do this here and do that there, understand
''playing to win'' is not the only reason to play this game. A
bench mark I suggest, is a benchmark? No one has to follow it. I
just think the person that puts his mind to do it, can more or less
obtain it. Why should someone have to answer to your, ''winning is
all that matters'' plea? And as far as record keeping goes, a win
is a single record no different than others out there also tallied,
such as DPG, KPG, assisted, blocked, survived, travelled, enemies
spotted
Draschel
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06.02.2022 05:47:42
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Kefic, on Feb 06 2022 - 04:35, said: skill is a super unicum.
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Kefic, on Feb 06 2022 - 04:35, said: skill is a super unicum.Draschel: and? I never said he wasn't? Nor does it matter? Your
point? T44 average damage, 1.5k. Lets go with this. Were you
around 2012? Do you know what WN6 and efficiency, of T44 was 2012?
I am willing to be 1500 was at least dark blue.I see a few scores
really hurting. His T44, Panther II, Pershing, T-34-2, Centurion.
These could have been done AGES ago. That the game has shifted
tectonically since. Did you even read? Like, I am
not here to troll you. These are true facts, that have happened,
that change the game we play. Things change.Look at newer tier 8
tech tree med releases. CS63, UDES, Progetto CS55 -> all of
which 2k+
Draschel
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06.02.2022 05:41:28
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Wings_That_Work, on Feb 06 2022 - 03:42, said: Sure, and loses can be had with a great contribution. But in
the end, over time, if all this "work" you are doing is valuable to
a win, you will win more because of it. If someone with a lower DPM
is winning the same amount of time that you are in a tank, they are
doing something that you are not. And that thing is just as
valuable to the win as your extra damage. And yep, that therefore
makes them just as good a player. Yes, I know it is more
difficult to think about all the varying things that can happen in
a match that matter to a win, versus a simplistic "dmg = gud" and
many of those things can't be rated, there is no statistic for
them, and their is no reflection in your stats signaling your
contribution.
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Wings_That_Work, on Feb 06 2022 - 03:42, said: Sure, and loses can be had with a great contribution. But in
the end, over time, if all this "work" you are doing is valuable to
a win, you will win more because of it. If someone with a lower DPM
is winning the same amount of time that you are in a tank, they are
doing something that you are not. And that thing is just as
valuable to the win as your extra damage. And yep, that therefore
makes them just as good a player. Yes, I know it is more
difficult to think about all the varying things that can happen in
a match that matter to a win, versus a simplistic "dmg = gud" and
many of those things can't be rated, there is no statistic for
them, and their is no reflection in your stats signaling your
contribution.Draschel: Again, you seem to be stuck in 2nd gear here. Damage
=/= good. I do not know where you are getting this formula. You are
missing alot of coefficients. Damage, assistance, blocked, travel,
survival, wins. All of these are but pieces yet you singularly
seclude 1 as the enemy. It isn't so. You are confusing and
incorrectly melding; [(losing and losses because of
an ace trying to get more per battle)] VS the
win and victory that could have been without incident
secured by capping, This happens EXTREMELY RARELY. For every time
it happens, this exact ace that, lets use this current example of
someone consistently dealing 2000+500 in tier 8
med, will win far more than he loses. And far more will
it be, his team is WINNING because of his contributions, than his
team ends up losing, because of his search for glory. You
really need to straighten this out, you are incredibly
incorrect. A bot can sit in cap and collect points.
Anyone can get the win this way. But if you DEPEND on this strategy
for winning, you'll be 47-52% and have 1,000WN8, and never 3 mark
anything, except maybe on SA server in a tier 5, or something
ridiculously bad. But contributions, such as blocked,
travelled, assistance, damage - these are different. You need to do
them, by doing? And to avoid getting killed when doing them. And
this is where the true heroes are.
Draschel
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06.02.2022 05:29:59
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TheRealSerapth, on Feb 06 2022 - 02:38, said: Thing is, we have a benchmark for every single tank in the game,
this is entirely the point of WN8 and sites like Tomato.gg and
WotLabs. We literally know what the average DPG in mediums
tanks is and even in the top performing tanks there isn't one above
2k, not even close. Heck even Skill4ltu averages under 2k in
several tier 8 mediums even though he's one of the best medium
drivers in the game. Your benchmark is heavily skewed
TheRealSerapth, on Feb 06 2022 - 03:23, said: He's talking just DPG, not combined here.
Draschel, on Feb 05 2022 - 22:46, said: 2,000 damage and 60% W/R are the benchmark. 500 assistance.
Shoot for those, that is what I do in T8s, heavies and meds.
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TheRealSerapth, on Feb 06 2022 - 02:38, said: Thing is, we have a benchmark for every single tank in the game,
this is entirely the point of WN8 and sites like Tomato.gg and
WotLabs. We literally know what the average DPG in mediums
tanks is and even in the top performing tanks there isn't one above
2k, not even close. Heck even Skill4ltu averages under 2k in
several tier 8 mediums even though he's one of the best medium
drivers in the game. Your benchmark is heavily skewedDraschel:
TheRealSerapth, on Feb 06 2022 - 03:23, said: He's talking just DPG, not combined here. Draschel: Please remember to include everything I mentioned. Damage
isn't everything. As far as I see what was said:Infact, not only
just combined, I have mentioned survival and blocked
too.
Draschel, on Feb 05 2022 - 22:46, said: 2,000 damage and 60% W/R are the benchmark. 500 assistance.
Shoot for those, that is what I do in T8s, heavies and meds. Draschel: I guess 60% is too high, you got me. 55 seems far more
reasonable. But I am pretty firm on 2000+500 assist. I think
you are getting caught up on a few things. First of all, tech tree
tier 8 mediums largely suck. We can really ONLY use premiums. Sure,
pantera T44 UDES are quite good. In pure sniper schnitzel roles
STA1 and 416 are awesome. Decent tanks more or less indien
panzer? CS53, Cent1. Apart highly specialized 416 and STA1
being Leopards for their tier, the rest pale in comparison to
premium tier 8 meds, so they should not be used. And again, if you
mention Skill4ltu, please consider the two following1) Skill4ltu
replaces alot of damage for assisted. so while he may not be
picking up 2,000 on alot, instead of 500 he is probably getting
much more assisted. Like 800?2) Obsolete grinding, obsolescence
clouding modernization. --What I mean by
this, are old fart scores that are hard to repair, but nevertheless
remain. If panther II or centurion 1 or T44 was something he did
eons ago back in 2012.....Yes it speaks for itself. No premium ammo
in bulk? While he learned the game? No equipment 2.0. No multi use
consumables. No crew books. No hourly boosters. No christmas
ops. Crew skills only including repair/camo/firefighting.
Grinding from stock VS not so. No tier 6 HP boost to acquire more
combined....... As you can see, MANY MANY things conspire to keep
these old, useless scores quite low. But if you were to look at his
more modernized RU account, I am sure the combined results are far
different. To place perspective into this: look at his CS53,
UDES, pantera. Progetto CS55 (basically a med) all these are
the 'newly' released meds, that typically won't be effected by the
laments described above. And they are all massively over 2k. Even
CS53, a tank he despises and what he thinks is awful, he has done
most certainly well in. If skill4ltu, given todays conditions, were
to step into a tier 8 med, expect 2k+ 99% guarantee. Even if
its a s---rock like VTU.
Draschel
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carbonsu, on Feb 06 2022 - 00:28, said: I think it's the worst tank I ever played. This thing has literally
nothing. 1. The biggest problem is the firepower. It has very good
accuracy? Sorry, when the RNG says no, you can hit nothing. So for
50% of the time of your game in WZ-114, you will just spend 16s to
reload, 3s+ to fully aim, and then either the enemy is already
killed by your team, your shot is bounced or it's a critical hit.
So the so-called big alpha is useless, and actually, it's not
that big at all, since E-75 and 50TP have the same or better alpha
and also better of everything else(armor and gun handling). 2. This
tank actually has no armor at all. The hull armor is just paper.
The turret armor is also very bad, in close-range, everyone can
easily hit and pen your huge cupola and fall back while you are
still aiming. In long-range, your armor can bounce some of the
shot, but your team will lose a heavy in the front line and
everyone will call you a "useless camper" and you can't even
support your team efficiently since your DPM is so low.
When the enemy presses the "2" key, then even your turret
will become paper. And about the huge amount of HP?
Sorry, it's just a large pack of damage for the red team. I
don't know how WG test this tank, I think they just grab a tier 8
heavy and buff some HP and mark it a tier 9. I think WG really
should think more before they put some new tanks on sale, I don't
want OP tanks, I only want some balanced tanks, but this WZ-114 is
not even balanced, it's unplayable. I played nearly 100 games with
this, I got 2042 avg damage and 314 avg assist, it's the same
performance as my 122tm and WZ-114 is a tier 9. The armor-used
efficiency is 0.43, which is even worse than my 122tm(0.5), and the
WZ-114 is a super-heavy tank. To balance this tank, I think WG just
needs to buff some aim time and reload time, that's all.
Everyone who gets this tank is WG's loyal player, no matter
they spend hours and hours to get this for free or just buy it. If
WG keeps selling garbage to their loyal customers, then finally no
one will spend a cent or one second on this game anymore.
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carbonsu, on Feb 06 2022 - 00:28, said: I think it's the worst tank I ever played. This thing has literally
nothing. 1. The biggest problem is the firepower. It has very good
accuracy? Sorry, when the RNG says no, you can hit nothing. So for
50% of the time of your game in WZ-114, you will just spend 16s to
reload, 3s+ to fully aim, and then either the enemy is already
killed by your team, your shot is bounced or it's a critical hit.
So the so-called big alpha is useless, and actually, it's not
that big at all, since E-75 and 50TP have the same or better alpha
and also better of everything else(armor and gun handling). 2. This
tank actually has no armor at all. The hull armor is just paper.
The turret armor is also very bad, in close-range, everyone can
easily hit and pen your huge cupola and fall back while you are
still aiming. In long-range, your armor can bounce some of the
shot, but your team will lose a heavy in the front line and
everyone will call you a "useless camper" and you can't even
support your team efficiently since your DPM is so low.
When the enemy presses the "2" key, then even your turret
will become paper. And about the huge amount of HP?
Sorry, it's just a large pack of damage for the red team. I
don't know how WG test this tank, I think they just grab a tier 8
heavy and buff some HP and mark it a tier 9. I think WG really
should think more before they put some new tanks on sale, I don't
want OP tanks, I only want some balanced tanks, but this WZ-114 is
not even balanced, it's unplayable. I played nearly 100 games with
this, I got 2042 avg damage and 314 avg assist, it's the same
performance as my 122tm and WZ-114 is a tier 9. The armor-used
efficiency is 0.43, which is even worse than my 122tm(0.5), and the
WZ-114 is a super-heavy tank. To balance this tank, I think WG just
needs to buff some aim time and reload time, that's all.
Everyone who gets this tank is WG's loyal player, no matter
they spend hours and hours to get this for free or just buy it. If
WG keeps selling garbage to their loyal customers, then finally no
one will spend a cent or one second on this game anymore.Draschel: I agree, the gun handling despite fully aimed accuracy, is
bad. But we need serious hard balancing on tier 9 premiums to keep
them in check. When T9 premiums become things like Phase, Concept,
Kamp pz, T55A - we are in for some serious
problems. when you say ''paper hull'' do you mean
the side armor? The LFP? The UFP? Or the entire body? Yes, I can
agree the tank side armor is uncharacteristically weak, and limits
its side scraping. But no, sorry. The LFP is about as effective as
Chieftain, around 200. While not ideal, like Badger or 705A, Maus -
it certainly isn't terrible like 215B, 113, Super conquer, Kran.
Its stronger than 60TP too. And the UFP is over 270 vs AP. Thats
better than 113, for a tier 9. I don't think thats paper. The
turret is typically 320mm effective vs HEAT. Stuff like TVP, UDES,
Kran are going to have a tougher time penetrating you unless
cupola. What is the problem here. You are doing better
in it than E75, pretty much similar to your Emil II. The tank isn't
the power level of Phase 1 and 777 v II, is that what you expected?
play more battles in it, you will increase it. Btw, did
you just crew book it? I see you haven't played Chinese
heavies.
Draschel
So the AP AMX 30...
06.02.2022 02:26:28
Subject: So the AP AMX 30...
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TheRealSerapth, on Feb 06 2022 - 00:12, said: LOL, what? 2k benchmark for average damage in tier 8
mediums? 2k damage would be a 3mark performance in the
majority of tier 8 mediums. A panther 2 for example required
2191 damage combined to 3mark. The Pantera is 2300
combined. When you look at uber unicum tanks like the
Progetto and Borat then you see values more like 3k, but again
thats COMBINED.
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TheRealSerapth, on Feb 06 2022 - 00:12, said: LOL, what? 2k benchmark for average damage in tier 8
mediums? 2k damage would be a 3mark performance in the
majority of tier 8 mediums. A panther 2 for example required
2191 damage combined to 3mark. The Pantera is 2300
combined. When you look at uber unicum tanks like the
Progetto and Borat then you see values more like 3k, but again
thats COMBINED.Draschel: 3,000 combined is needed for 3marks like Lorraine, Type 59,
122TM, T-34-3, Lansen, RH07. These aren't even top bracket try hard
8s like progetto, LIS, bourratt, Chimera. Benchmark doesn't
usually get you 3mark, unless its something like VTU? lol? or
59 Patton, M48ARhpz. You need more than that. 2k isn't that
much considering what sensible people are doing in tanks like
274A, RH07, Lansen, progetto, LIS these days. And it isn't uncommon
to see people playing very high DPM STA1 and 416 like TD, netting
ridiculous DPG I am not a medium player myself, per se. I only
have 2 T8 meds 3 marked, and that was before equipment 2.0 and not
even strut your stuff crew skills, or rations. And I was averaging
2,100 on pretty bad tumor cupola meds. Imagine what sensible people
do now, in far better, more versatile machines like 274A and
LIS. Be careful with the word benchmark, this implies
neither good nor bad. Its just what I believe people are capable in
nominally obtaining. A control. If you are lemmingrush or iyouxin?
Sure get your sprees and sessions of 2,500. If you are a
run-of-the-mill green, 1,500. Where does that leave the average
between the two? You guessed it, benchmark. Also, be careful in
using particularly bad examples. When someone sets a benchmark, it
obviously isn't using something like bourratt. But on the flip
side, neither is it something to scrutinize using VTU or AMXCDC. A
capable med, Lansen? RAAC? T1LPC? Perfectly achievable for someone
to net 2k in those.
1LT_Dwayne
Identities in game...
06.02.2022 01:50:12
Subject: Identities in game...
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The_Happiest_Husky, on Feb 05 2022 - 23:28, said: ...That's in the base game
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The_Happiest_Husky, on Feb 05 2022 - 23:28, said: ...That's in the base game1LT_Dwayne: I was talking about the one that is in battle not on the battle
log.
1LT_Dwayne
Identities in game...
06.02.2022 00:13:13
Subject: Identities in game...
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1LT_Dwayne: I have tried xvm so I can stick with good players and it hasn't
help me in any way. The only feature I found interesting is knowing
what kind of shell hits you and unlike what many players said there
are more standard round fired than premium.
Draschel
Polish or chinese meds?
06.02.2022 00:04:48
Subject: Polish or chinese meds?
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BeijingCornTheGhostCat, on Feb 05 2022 - 22:27, said: The actual 121 is a pain to deal with because the armor is
irrelevant and the gun while technically accurate fires slow AP and
HEAT and takes way to long to actually aim at this tier...
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BeijingCornTheGhostCat, on Feb 05 2022 - 22:27, said: The actual 121 is a pain to deal with because the armor is
irrelevant and the gun while technically accurate fires slow AP and
HEAT and takes way to long to actually aim at this tier...Draschel: I love 121. And I am pretty sure 1,115m/s AP isn't slow. Sad though
when the tank was buffed, it received minor HEAT and HE nerfs,
100m/s velocity loss. The armor works just fine.
Draschel
So the AP AMX 30...
05.02.2022 23:46:10
Subject: So the AP AMX 30...
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Kefic, on Feb 05 2022 - 19:59, said: Position can also keep tanks pinned down in an area that renders
them unable to effectively engage your team, allow your team to
manuever freely and gain map control Position gets
three tanks focusing you when it should only be one, allowing for
an overmatch somewhere else. Position can force other tanks
away from where they were heading Position can
encourage your team to move from an ineffective location, to a
position of dominance. I have a lot of high 50s and 60% wr
tanks, with a surprisingly low average damage-as you yourself
pointed out. And it is because I use positioning
to win games, which is far more important to me than farming
damage. For instance. Indien-panzer. 484 games,
lowly 1254 dog. 58% wr. Solo. I don't need to get
2k to make a tank work, if I can use it in other ways.
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Kefic, on Feb 05 2022 - 19:59, said: Position can also keep tanks pinned down in an area that renders
them unable to effectively engage your team, allow your team to
manuever freely and gain map control Position gets
three tanks focusing you when it should only be one, allowing for
an overmatch somewhere else. Position can force other tanks
away from where they were heading Position can
encourage your team to move from an ineffective location, to a
position of dominance. I have a lot of high 50s and 60% wr
tanks, with a surprisingly low average damage-as you yourself
pointed out. And it is because I use positioning
to win games, which is far more important to me than farming
damage. For instance. Indien-panzer. 484 games,
lowly 1254 dog. 58% wr. Solo. I don't need to get
2k to make a tank work, if I can use it in other ways.Draschel: Typically pinning down tanks, bogging them down, trapping
them in fear or frustration - this usually leads to damage caused
and assistance. Very rarely does it not. So while technically, you
are correct it doesn't HAVE to, typically as games unfold and you
are in position and your enemies can't get out of bad position, you
and your team reap rewards as result. Does it always happen?
Certainly not. Most of the time? Yes.All the things you mentioned
about position are true, but what I mean are, these things USUALLY
result in acquired quantifiable stats because you are doing
it. Very rarely does it not. 2,000 damage and 60% W/R are
the benchmark. 500 assistance. Shoot for those, that is what I do
in T8s, heavies and meds.
1LT_Dwayne
so mm is fine - yea right
05.02.2022 23:05:58
Subject: so mm is fine - yea right
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NeatoMan, on Feb 05 2022 - 20:44, said: "Tier placement". just say it... It won't kill you.
The patent's scope ends there. then why don't you
ever show your tier data that's relevant to these exceptions?
You have it.
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NeatoMan, on Feb 05 2022 - 20:44, said: "Tier placement". just say it... It won't kill you.
The patent's scope ends there. then why don't you
ever show your tier data that's relevant to these exceptions?
You have it.1LT_Dwayne: If you are so sure that the mm is not rigged and people are
just delusional why do you keep insisting on showing them the
opposite? Will you still do this for another 10 years? What's the
point?
Draschel
Gold Has Killed The Maus
05.02.2022 13:09:38
Subject: Gold Has Killed The Maus
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Draschel: if you put in the time to position, safeguard your Maus, it will
still block fair amounts of damage. You need to put in the work
though, and realize whats going on around you. Maus doesn't work
well in maps like prokhoro, malinovk, murovanka, redshire. If you
run premium, decide which of these you prefer least, and remove
them from your map rotation. You will be getting more maps like
ensk, paris, pilsen, himmelsdor as a result, where Maus armor
works. Just a quick look at Maus, positioned fairly well
VS even VK7201 high pen 350mm avg HEAT. Imagine the brown
represents building cover. The Maus can still be some real
annoyingly stuff. https://ibb.co/2M1dzrQ
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