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Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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yoh1len, on 24 March 2011 - 08:22 PM, said: ufff... but there will be a chance to buy gold in full version for
better price? of course less amount of gold:For example 2000 gold
for 10€ or something like that? 

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Vallter: For Russian server it is 10$ for 2500 gold. Because of VAT it will
be a bit more expensive
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Gorzki, on 24 March 2011 - 08:01 PM, said: Does it mean that there will be one tank you'll get it or no
depending on some criteria (whether it'll be number of
battles/number of posts/whatever)
or there are few tanks and the more criteria you met, the better tank you will have?

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or there are few tanks and the more criteria you met, the better tank you will have?
Vallter: The criteria made to prevent users, registered just for getting the
Beta bonus, achieve our gift. There will be only one certain bonus
and it won't be changed from player to player.
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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LiannaSilverwind: Preorders Guide in spoiler


Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Kazomir, on 24 March 2011 - 05:37 PM, said: IT would be a bang if MY teacher played WoT 

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LiannaSilverwind: OT: I've met many of my students in MMORPGs before. There are many
students of mine who play WoT now as well. 
Well, I tend to be more forgiving when they are asleep at the morning if I know they spend their time on good things.

Well, I tend to be more forgiving when they are asleep at the morning if I know they spend their time on good things.
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Zenith, on 24 March 2011 - 07:38 PM, said: I am well aware of the financial difficulties surrounding a company
of this nature and location, I was simply stating that for me
personally, the prices are a big risk. What if the game flops after
a few weeks? You've spent a lot of money, and have nothing to show
for it. Now, that's a worst case scenario, but if the game is going
to be worth that kind of money, then they need to get the
population above the current 15k.

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Vallter: We have already released the Russian WoT version, and the major
threat is amount of players. We have so big amount of players
online in the same, that they can't be supported by our current
server. That is why we will enlarge them and move them to Moscow...
Well, you are right, we are going to ruin soon 

Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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bufuiuane, on 24 March 2011 - 06:45 PM, said: maybe i want the medium pack with one month of premium's worth of
gold . io consider that to be enough for me to get started . what's
the problem with adding more options for players toi choose from
since that means cash flow ?

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Vallter: It will be implemented after the game release
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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feraxcz, on 24 March 2011 - 06:23 PM, said: no to si snad delate prdel ne??????????????????????

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Tanitha: What you posted does not translate, so use the translator and post
in English please.
http://translate.google.com/
http://translate.google.com/
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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waylander1, on 24 March 2011 - 05:55 PM, said: People are not moaning about premium costing around 7 euros a
month, they are talking about being asked to pay it all upfront for
a package and the price they are asking for that. Yes people have
the option to buy or not to buy and you will see plenty of people
buying them and plenty not buying them. There are a lack of options
for all players to quote overlord from the Q an A thread
'Think, our guys will do their best to please the majority.'
In regards to payment options i dont see how just 3 packages can please the majority, we have no option to obtain a code and use it in the next 2 months this would allow players on a lower income/students/children who need parents to pay for it to save up the cash as not everyone has access to 75 euros or even 38 euros at the lower end. There is no option to buy just gold therefore perhaps lowering the cost for people.
Will we see any other options added before the game launch ?

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'Think, our guys will do their best to please the majority.'
In regards to payment options i dont see how just 3 packages can please the majority, we have no option to obtain a code and use it in the next 2 months this would allow players on a lower income/students/children who need parents to pay for it to save up the cash as not everyone has access to 75 euros or even 38 euros at the lower end. There is no option to buy just gold therefore perhaps lowering the cost for people.
Will we see any other options added before the game launch ?

Vallter: After the game launch you will be able to buy just gold without any
special bonuses.
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Gatt, on 24 March 2011 - 05:19 PM, said: Overlord,
can we enter the redeem/promo code before April 12th or we have to do it only AFTER ? I'm sure I'm gonna loose the code in the next days ....

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can we enter the redeem/promo code before April 12th or we have to do it only AFTER ? I'm sure I'm gonna loose the code in the next days ....

Vallter: You will be able to use promo codes of the pre-order package after
the April 12th . If you loose your code, you will be able to
contact our Support Center with this problem.
https://support.worldoftanks.eu/
https://support.worldoftanks.eu/
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Uncrow, on 24 March 2011 - 04:44 PM, said: I dont see any posts about this.. so i go ahead.
Why hasent their been made 2 or 3 of each Packages?
I know this is a Luxury issue for me... but i was really looking forward to buying a Preorder pack with the Lowé
I know i can get a Panzher V/IV tier6, and i know the Russian fan Boys are stuck with a Tier 4.
But i really wouldnt buy the Heavy pack... just out of the Principle of driving/owning an American tank.
So also have the issue that if i buy the V/IV pack i would end up spending gold on the side for the Lowé, and the V/IV would just have been a waste of money.
But i guess thats just the way it is...
Or do you have something too add here Overlord?

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Why hasent their been made 2 or 3 of each Packages?
I know this is a Luxury issue for me... but i was really looking forward to buying a Preorder pack with the Lowé

I know i can get a Panzher V/IV tier6, and i know the Russian fan Boys are stuck with a Tier 4.
But i really wouldnt buy the Heavy pack... just out of the Principle of driving/owning an American tank.
So also have the issue that if i buy the V/IV pack i would end up spending gold on the side for the Lowé, and the V/IV would just have been a waste of money.
But i guess thats just the way it is...
Or do you have something too add here Overlord?

Vallter: Pre-Order Packages have bonus tanks the won't be sold in the game
any more. Lowe tank will be available for purchasing in in-game
shop.
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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LiannaSilverwind: I live in Czech Republic, working as teacher, have a car, feed my
family, I buy packages for myself and some more for my friends as
gifts. 
Life is a matter of priorities, thanks to WG for opportunity!

Life is a matter of priorities, thanks to WG for opportunity!
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Templarblade, on 24 March 2011 - 04:17 PM, said: its seems oki but WoT you are Missing the option to pay by
mobilphone.
which many MMO's with micro transactions uses at the moment and as many says are one of the future payment methods.
So i really hope you get that option implemented at one point.
Quote Bah already payment problems.
I have bought Heavy package with Paypal fine no problems.
I have bought Medium package with Paypal fine no problems.
When I try to buy the light package with Paypal it is rejected I have phoned paypal they say all is ok their end no problems they have authorised it most frustrating.
You would think a company would want to make it as easy as possible to accept money why you didnt just make it pay through paypal direct I don't know as they seem to think everything is fine it is PlaySpan that are the problem.
Yes I am a verified user on paypal and have all the correct stuff in place.

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which many MMO's with micro transactions uses at the moment and as many says are one of the future payment methods.
So i really hope you get that option implemented at one point.
Vallter: We will think about it
Quote Bah already payment problems.
I have bought Heavy package with Paypal fine no problems.
I have bought Medium package with Paypal fine no problems.
When I try to buy the light package with Paypal it is rejected I have phoned paypal they say all is ok their end no problems they have authorised it most frustrating.
You would think a company would want to make it as easy as possible to accept money why you didnt just make it pay through paypal direct I don't know as they seem to think everything is fine it is PlaySpan that are the problem.
Yes I am a verified user on paypal and have all the correct stuff in place.
Vallter: If you won't be able to buy it in 1 hour, please, contact our
Support Center - https://support.worldoftanks.eu/
Subject:
Archives\Beta\Questions\The reason for 1st person depression limit?
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WillBlake, on 24 March 2011 - 07:58 AM, said: Hello dear devs,
I wondered many times: Why can you aim lower or higher in 3rd person view than in 1st person view?
For tanks which like to hide their hull its very annoying because the slight difference in depression on long range means alot! + If I cant use the 1st person view on long range my shots tend to miss.
So please tell me the reason why you made it that way, is it a bug or intended?
If its not a bug I'd like to understand your decision.
Thanks

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I wondered many times: Why can you aim lower or higher in 3rd person view than in 1st person view?
For tanks which like to hide their hull its very annoying because the slight difference in depression on long range means alot! + If I cant use the 1st person view on long range my shots tend to miss.
So please tell me the reason why you made it that way, is it a bug or intended?
If its not a bug I'd like to understand your decision.
Thanks
LiannaSilverwind: It is bug, will be fixed. 

Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Squadman45, on 24 March 2011 - 03:45 PM, said: Yep, i join a little late (2 months ago) but i play it a lot (leave
other games hehehe) and i am over 3.000 battles 
The gift is a medium tank from america tree or a non tree tank??? thanks.

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The gift is a medium tank from america tree or a non tree tank??? thanks.
Vallter: There will be a special criterion for this. We cannot give
publicity to it for now.
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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RiflemanA777, on 24 March 2011 - 03:37 PM, said: I can buy a package of pre-order here but bring a tank to another
server (for an additional fee)?

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Vallter: No, all package bonuses are attached to the server you buy it on.
But you can buy a US Pre-Order package, if you wish.
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Renyojd, on 24 March 2011 - 03:25 PM, said: Guys (Devs) - just a quick thing. Haven't completed the transaction
yet - but below is what I got:
As far as I have calculated (using the current USD/GBP spot rate) the £63 figure is the $90 conversion including VAT at about 15%. Fine
Why then do I get the following from the payment server?
£68.71 via credit card (and other options)
£65.43 via paypal
Transactional costs?

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As far as I have calculated (using the current USD/GBP spot rate) the £63 figure is the $90 conversion including VAT at about 15%. Fine
Why then do I get the following from the payment server?
£68.71 via credit card (and other options)
£65.43 via paypal
Transactional costs?
Vallter: Some percents are taken by payment services.
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Brashka, on 24 March 2011 - 03:15 PM, said: Can i buy all 3 Tanks with the Gold on one Account? Or have i only
the choice between the three packages for my Account? (Sry, my
englisch is not the best
)
Thx, Brashka!

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Thx, Brashka!
Vallter: You can activate all three packages on one account and receive
three tanks + the corresponding amount of gold.
Subject:
Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\T1 Heavy gun
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Vallter: T1 has it's advantages and the current balance of this tank is good
enough. Suggested changes won't be applied.
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Calle30, on 24 March 2011 - 03:06 PM, said: Right, where to go if you didnt receive the promo code ? 

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Overlord: First of, wait a bit. If nothing happens, please bring this issue
to support.worldoftanks.eu. They will be monitoring billing
inquiries 24/7 from now on.
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Renyojd, on 24 March 2011 - 03:01 PM, said: Looks rather good to me! Strengths and weaknesses. Being a gold
tank at tier 8 - *should* prove quite a good credit earner
(properly handled).
http://game.worldoft...miumTank/m6a2e1
Interestingly the Dev's don't want to put the specs on the EU site!

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http://game.worldoft...miumTank/m6a2e1
Interestingly the Dev's don't want to put the specs on the EU site!

Overlord: Thanks, will add it.
Subject:
Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\Games without artillery more enjoyable?
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Vallter: I have read carefully your discussion and can say that there is
some good points in your posts, that will be used in our
discussions. Also we are not planning to implement filters, that
can exclude certain maps or tank types, in the foreseeable future.
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Terrorsatan, on 24 March 2011 - 02:54 PM, said: I would like to know if theres still a CBT-Present or is it just
those three tanks?
im feelin the IV/V is quite weak isnt it?
deciding between heavy and light or heavy+light

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im feelin the IV/V is quite weak isnt it?
deciding between heavy and light or heavy+light
Overlord: There will be another gift tank. US medium.
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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ZorinWarfield, on 24 March 2011 - 02:38 PM, said: So can we assume that a regular 2500 gold for a month of premium
will come in at around 8,50€ when the game goes live?

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Overlord: The value will be roughly the same you mentioned above. But there
will be pre-defined gold packages with different amount of gold
each.
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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Nikola_Bathory, on 24 March 2011 - 02:33 PM, said: * There are no restrictions on the number of packages a player
would like to purchase. Any player can buy several packages, but in
case of purchasing two identical packages you will get only 1
unique tank, 2 slots and double amount of gold.
But if I buy 2x of the same package and use them on 2 different accounts, then both account will get the unique tank, I hope. Right?

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But if I buy 2x of the same package and use them on 2 different accounts, then both account will get the unique tank, I hope. Right?
Overlord: Right. You can use it as a present too.
Subject:
Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\6.3.9 Special Patch
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Vallter: Only few cases of so called 'Memory Leak' were fixed. More
significant improvements will be implemented in the next patch
Subject:
News from the Front\Discussion of News Articles\Buy Gold for Special Price and Get The Unique Tank for Free!
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ian666, on 24 March 2011 - 02:22 PM, said: Why euro and usa prices are not even equal? I remember overlord
said that they will be same.
For example large pre order costs 75 eur, its equivalent of around 106 usd, but usa pre order cost only 90 usd
People in usa pays 3,7 usd for one gallon of gasoline, in europe they would spend over 6,6 usd. People in eu got less money and for us this pre orders are twice as expensive.

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For example large pre order costs 75 eur, its equivalent of around 106 usd, but usa pre order cost only 90 usd
People in usa pays 3,7 usd for one gallon of gasoline, in europe they would spend over 6,6 usd. People in eu got less money and for us this pre orders are twice as expensive.
Overlord: They are equal, barring the fact EU prices include atleast 15% VAT,
US prices don't.
Subject:
Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\rewards & resuppley / repairs
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Vallter: The game concept supposes that players have to play on mid-level
tanks to earn credits for playing on the high Tier tanks. This is
made due to need of the game balance and such systems is
implemented in most MMO games.
Subject:
Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\Balance issues
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Vallter: As I have already mentioned we are planning to remake a balance
value for all Medium Tanks and fix with this some matchmaking
issues.
Subject:
Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\What would you choose after release?
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Vallter: After the game release I will play on the American Medium tanks,
German and American SPG's and German Tank Destroyers. And also
American TD's.
Subject:
Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\Ability to deselect at least 2 maps
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Draig, on 23 March 2011 - 02:36 PM, said: Thanks for the reply, can you do something to make the varierty of
maps coming up more...varied?
Seems to me it is the same few maps all the time. Going on Campinovka 4 times in a row gets annoying very quickly.
Cheers.

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Seems to me it is the same few maps all the time. Going on Campinovka 4 times in a row gets annoying very quickly.
Cheers.
Vallter: Some maps have higher priority for the system than others. That is
why players can play on some certain maps more than on other. But
with increasing the map quantity the issue of playing on the one
map for 3-5 times on end won't happen. Also we are working on both
match- and mapmaking systems and try to improve them from patch to
patch.
Subject:
Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\Module damage last days
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Quote I severely disagree with this design choice, considering something like a Sherman/T-34 should not be able to penetrate a Tiger whatsoever yet they can.. why? Oh yeah, game balance.
Quote Dont You think that to often module damage is another game breaker ?

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Quote I severely disagree with this design choice, considering something like a Sherman/T-34 should not be able to penetrate a Tiger whatsoever yet they can.. why? Oh yeah, game balance.
Vallter: They can penetrate it, because all tanks have their weak spots, and
it is not difficult to deal damage to the tank hitting them.
Quote Dont You think that to often module damage is another game breaker ?
Vallter: I agree,that it can spoil the game,but there is no issue with Tiger
module breaking.
Subject:
Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\Training crew to 100% for gold...what?
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Vallter: The crew training works as it was planned and it won't be changed.
As was mentioned, you are paying for a course in an academy. Such
facilities always have fixed price for their services. That is the
system implemented in our game. You are paying for a certain amount
of practices, which quantity and content you are not able to
change.
Subject:
Game Discussion\Gameplay Discussion\Team Hampering?
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Quote 1. I would pay the repair cost, no problem, but gain 10 minutes. Or rather NOT lose 10 minutes in a match I loathe.
Also: when in a platoon consisting of 3x tier 6 tanks, we found ourselves the ONLY tier 6 tanks in a match featuring tiers 7-10 tanks. Note: no arty involved in our platoon (we were 2x med tanks and 1x TD). We were all dead in minutes with no benefit to our team. Not really helping your argument. Screenshot available to skeptics.

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Quote 1. I would pay the repair cost, no problem, but gain 10 minutes. Or rather NOT lose 10 minutes in a match I loathe.
Also: when in a platoon consisting of 3x tier 6 tanks, we found ourselves the ONLY tier 6 tanks in a match featuring tiers 7-10 tanks. Note: no arty involved in our platoon (we were 2x med tanks and 1x TD). We were all dead in minutes with no benefit to our team. Not really helping your argument. Screenshot available to skeptics.
Vallter: In my post I mentioned platoons like a 'medicine' for you, if you
don't like teams with players exiting battles at the start. And
then I said, that we are working on the matchmaking systems. But
with appearance of my post I tried to indicate, that this two
statements are not connected.
Also if you play in a platoon, you are considered by matchmaking system a stronger team, than single tanks. Due to this the balance you mentioned for your platoon is possible, but should not be usual.
Also if you play in a platoon, you are considered by matchmaking system a stronger team, than single tanks. Due to this the balance you mentioned for your platoon is possible, but should not be usual.
Subject:
Archives\Beta\Questions\Team killers
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ian666, on 23 March 2011 - 05:20 PM, said: Best way to deal with TK is to make them auto banned for one day if
they kill more than 3 team mate tanks in last 24 hour. If TK kills
3 team mates again then he would receive 3 day ban, then a 7 day
one. Oe month without punishment would reset ban count.
Yes someone say that he play arty and tk something happening. Well i like to play arty too and after maybe 200 battles mostly in Su-26 i killed team mate only one time.

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Yes someone say that he play arty and tk something happening. Well i like to play arty too and after maybe 200 battles mostly in Su-26 i killed team mate only one time.
Vallter: We are currently working on improving the existing system
Subject:
Archives\Beta\Suggestions\Elite status
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plizzken_dk, on 24 March 2011 - 11:29 AM, said: Could you please elaborate on how your "current conception" and
"plan" counters this suggestion?

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Vallter: The current system is that to make a tank Elite, you have to
research all it's upgrades and the next tank. It allows you not
only to accelerate the crew training, but to convert experience to
free one as well. For the current researching and Tech Tree
hierarchy it is unacceptable to get this options, for example, on
Hummel SPG without researching GW-Panther. And remaking of the
whole system for adding such option is not rational, taking into
account the amount of tasks with a higher priority we currently
have. But, as I mentioned, we will remember this suggestion and
possibly add suggested feature later.
Subject:
Archives\Beta\Suggestions\Suggestion: Stop the clock
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Vallter: You have an interesting point of view on this situation and your
suggestion is circumspect. But we try to make the game active and
aggressive, with fast and entertaining battles. Due to this the
timer is implemented and it's current version maximally corresponds
to the mentioned and other game needs. The system you proposed is
good too, but it is not the system our game designers intend to
make. Suggested changes won't be done.
Subject:
Archives\Beta\Suggestions\My suggestion for WOT ( with video )
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Vallter: We came to the same conclusion in points 2 and 3, and we are
currently working on the physical engine. The first part of it will
be implemented in the v 0.6.4. patch. As for killing tanks through
buildings with AP shells... This will be passed to our game
designers for discussion.
Subject:
Archives\Beta\Suggestions\2nd turret for GW Panther
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Vallter: We have carefully read your suggestion and also reviewed our
historical materials. You have done a great work, but we are
satisfied with current characteristics of the GW-Panther artillery,
as well as with it's balance in the SPG tank type. Possible review
could be done only after adding Tier 8 artillery.
Subject:
Archives\Beta\Suggestions\Elite status
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GorDoink, on 14 March 2011 - 11:33 AM, said: I would like to suggest that tanks become elite when all the
research has been done for that tank, rather than the current
situation where the next tank also has to be researched. For
example, if you have no intention of buying the next tank it seems
to me that you're penalised by having do do unnecessary research
instead of investing that experience in the crew training. This
situation is particularly bad in the Russian trees where there are
a number of links between and tanks and artillery or tanks and tank
destroyer.

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Vallter: Your idea is quite interesting and has it's good parts. But we
won't implement this in the game, because it's contrary to the
current conception of our game and the plan of the game
development. But we will remember your suggestion.
Subject:
Archives\Beta\Suggestions\3 Suggestions
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Vallter: 1)We will take into account your suggestion, when the
personalization tools will be discussed.
2)Currently the are no plans to change the number of participants depending on a map landscape. But such things possibly will be implemented in new battle mods.
3)We will add auction feature in the game, where players will be able to buy even the whole tank for a fair price of another player.
2)Currently the are no plans to change the number of participants depending on a map landscape. But such things possibly will be implemented in new battle mods.
3)We will add auction feature in the game, where players will be able to buy even the whole tank for a fair price of another player.
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