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QB video everyone is talking about

Дата: 12.12.2018 12:20:24
View Postpsychobear, on 11 December 2018 - 07:15 PM, said:   I honestly appreciate your willingness to actually communicate, so i'll bite. While i do understand the necessity to move the videos to the video section, those 5-6 threads you've mentioned aren't the best argument for this point, as most of them appeared as a consequence to this thread being unfairly moved from the gameplay section. People perceived this decision as unfair, that's why they kept making threads about it there, to keep it where it rightfully belonged in the first place. In my opinion, each thread should be actually analysed for what it is. So it contains a video. Is it about the video's content - like a good battle or so? Move it to video section. Is it about promoting the channel or stream of it's author? Move it to video section. Is it about promoting some shady content or person? 86 it and hand out a nice fluffy ban. But when it is about nothing of those, but primarily about emphasizing gameplay aspects for discussion, leave it in the damn gameplay section, simply becouse there's where it belongs. As for the sticky threads - that SPG one in particular - the point i was trying to make is this: artillery is one of the most problematic mechanics of this game and it influences gameplay in many and complex ways. There are multiple aspects of it that need to be discussed (that's if you guys at WG really care for feedback), and that can't be done in a single sticky thread, no matter how much you may want it. It's just not possible. Think about how it would be like if you tried to concentrate the whole gameplay section in a single sticky thread. It's just not practical, at all. People will bring different aspects in debate at the same time, discussions will overlap and shortly it will end up in a big pointless clusterfu... errrm... mess. Becouse it's only natural in those circumstances. And that's exactly what's happening in the sticky arty thread. Not very constructive, wouldn't you agree? I know there was/is lots of spam about the topic, but this doesn't justify suppressing proper threads on the matter by simply dumping the whole domain in a sticky. It's like trying to stuff a whale in a coke bottle and then wondering why it doesn't fit. Kinda dumb, if we are to openly admit it. I don't mean to discuss moderation here as i know it's against the rules, but i just want to make an honest and (i hope) constructive suggestion: Let people post constructive threads about arty, let us debate every facet of it in separate threads, it'll only give you proper feedback. You'll say ok, but there will be a lot of spam. Well of course there will, but that's where you guys come in, isn't it? Let constructive debates develop and where you see spam, simply intervene. Delete spam threads/posts. Hand out nice fluffy bans when and where they're needed. But in the mean time be there, in the eye of the storm, collect feedback and show us you're there and really care about it. Last but not least, i really wish i could find that plenty of information and instances where my last sentence in the post you've quoted would prove incorrect. I really do, becouse i love this game too. But so far i can't. Yes, i look to the changes announced to things like prem ammo and MM, but... they're nothing more than vague announcements which in fact say nothing. Not to mention that there's nothing about arty being mentioned in those announcements. You're asking me to believe that you guys at WG really care about our feedback while you do nothing about a problem that's been constantly emphasized by the community since the very beginning of the game? Trust me, it's really hard to believe you under these circumstances.  WG claims they care about player feedback and want happy players, and then off they go making nice graphics, emblems, decals and this kind of things, while players keep pointing out the gameplay is destroyed by bad MM, broken arty, unbalanced tanks, double standard ammo etc. If WG really wants our trust, it's really easy to earn it: fix those things first, and only then worry about cosmetic changes no one asked for. It's really that simple.   Best regards!     Sorry, but i completely disagree on this one. Vehicle discussion forums are for discussing vehicle characteristics. Threads about how arty as a class affects gameplay belong nowhere else but in Gameplay section.

eekeeboo:     I agree with you in part, but it's got to be done carefully on the exceptions you make, as soon as you let one video stay, you get people then saying (as they already have) "Why no this video when that one is allowed, you just love QB" etc.    We found the most neutral thread not overly promoting and made sure we kept the discussion where possible. Some threads from the ones locked were discussing moderator actions as much as linking the video again, which poses a different problem and leads to more sanctions by the moderator team. We understand the sensitivity of the topic and we want to encourage the discussion and feedback, in this case, a small error in judgment was made, that was remedied as soon as it was found out. After that I can only explain the reasoning behind those actions and ask for understanding and explain why things have to be this way, I'm not sure if you remember the days when half the forum was arty threads and the other half was "go here to twitch" threads or hammering on certain youtubers.    Each thread was assessed when we made the decision to bring this thread to the main focus for players to discuss as it broached the least amount of forum rules and was the most neutral in tone with no bias on polls, or complaining about actions/moderation or WG. These are the types of discussions we want to encourage, objective and constructive.    The artillery threads, have all been discussed at length, those that are legitimate discussion stay, but you will find a lot of those artillery threads are not about feedback or discussion. It's complaints or demanding changes because OP or broken or insults on people who play the class.    The aim was not to suppress these threads, but to ensure that people remain constructive and positive in the threads without it devolving into midden distribution threads. The main reason for the one thread is not to hide everything, but because arty threads go out of fashion and slowly end up hidden, then a new one comes along and the great cycle of forum arty life continues. (cue Lion King). I know it's not the best or ideal, but unfortunately somewhat necessary to prevent this frustration causing element of seeing the same thing over and over.    For upcoming announcements, the most in-depth information (so far) will be coming at WG fest where hopefully all the exciting news will answer all your Christmas wishes. I, unfortunately, can't share more than this at this time, but as soon as it hits and as soon as I can, I look forward to the discussion.    PS apologies for not saying thank-you for the well structured point and feedback, It takes a lot to answer these posts fully and not miss anything.   

View PostZlatanArKung, on 11 December 2018 - 07:46 PM, said: Did you actually read the thread with the poll in? Because your idea that that one contains more discussion about the video then this one is simply not true.   The reason moderating is discussed at all was because you moved the thread in the first place. And this thread also contains posts questioning your moderating, unless you removed those posts.   I agree only 1 thread is needed, I don't agree with how you did make it happen.   You get PMs about how many arty threads you lock is really none of my business. It is bad that you get them of course, and it shows you are doing your job.   Your second paragraph: Is gameplay the place for "complaining, shaming and "whining""? Or what? I know this is what a vast majority of threads in this section are about. But is it the aim for you? Or do you have another goal with this section?   I could think that a goal for this section would be to promote good discussions regarding perceived issues with the game like matchmaker. To discuss what constitutes good gameplay (how fast/slow paced should the battles be, for example) etc.     The sad part is that if I wanted any of this "Those subforums are for vehicle discussion and guides and advice etc" While intention is clear, it simply doesn't work. If I want to discuss how arty/HTs/TDs/MTs/LTs or any specific tank currently work within the game (their roles (perceived and actual) strengths and weaknessess, good or bad design etc), I would be forced to post here on gameplay instead of in the vehicle discussion subforum forum if I was interested in getting input more then once/week or something.   I believe there is a lot that could be done to this forum that would be fruitful for the company you represent.

eekeeboo:   That thread started with a bigger advertisement than this thread for instance. Next *I* didn't move anything, it's important to distinguish this, once *I* and other members found this issue and tried to fix it asap with a link to the threads and making sure that not everyone receives the points and bans that would normally come from such discussions on moderator actions. We did this because we understand the sensitivity and want this discussion to evolve and value the feedback. We understand its importance and the need for players to share their opinions. This (I hope you understand) needs to be done in a positive/constructive way as possible with the least amount of toxicity.    I do have an aim for the gameplay section and I would like to work with the team and look at making the structure of the forums clearer in the future and helping to remove a lot of the spam and hateful topics that tend to end up sticking around cluttering the place. It's something I/we want to improve.    Gameplay is for places like issues and in-game mechanics, I agree. But like mentioned above this section should be just as much about sharing good information on playing the game or super secret tactics and players helping one another just as much.    For the last part, please refer above, I'm less than 2 weeks in and don't want to change too much too quickly with my current work-load. But you need only look at the World of Warplanes forums (if you remember old to now) on the changes I helped to bring around and make them easier to navigate and better for players to contribute there. I have similar dreams for these forums! "Let's make forums great again 2019!"   

View PostNoobySkooby, on 12 December 2018 - 12:20 AM, said:   Ah ok lol, nothing to do with outrage at censorship then, sweet.

eekeeboo:     Absolutely not, we were attempting to make sure that all the discussion happened in one location, without the spam and diversion. Unfortunately the way the discussion evolved in some threads and the way moved threads were handled actually breached more forum rules than the others. You will note the distinct lack of mass ban wave and warning points for all the times the rules were broken on the issue to illustrate understanding on the sensitivity of the issue and ensuring people understand this is not about censorship, this is about keeping the discussion on-topic, constructive and not about promoting one streamer over another and not opening QB or other streamers up to abuse or criticism for expressing their views. (As you can see already happening here).     

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